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Old 25th August 2006, 05:28   #21 (permalink)
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Re: 100m dive bailout

Hello,

Is there any Deco programme that can calculate bailout volumes for you? Proplanner do it for OC but not from CCR bailout to OC!

I played a bit and came out with the following:

10/70 7liter to 230bar used all
32% 5liter to 230bar used all
70% 7liter to 230bar used all

As we will be a buddy pair of which I can trust, then in worst case team bailout!
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Re: 100m dive bailout

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Is there any Deco programme that can calculate bailout volumes for you? Proplanner do it for OC but not from CCR bailout to OC!
Most modern deco programs have the feature to calculate OC-bail-out volume from CC dives.
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Re: 100m dive bailout

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia)
Hello,

Is there any Deco programme that can calculate bailout volumes for you? Proplanner do it for OC but not from CCR bailout to OC!

I played a bit and came out with the following:

10/70 7liter to 230bar used all
32% 5liter to 230bar used all
70% 7liter to 230bar used all

As we will be a buddy pair of which I can trust, then in worst case team bailout!
V-planner is good for that and many other things also.

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Re: 100m dive bailout

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)
V-planner is good for that and many other things also.

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Can someone post a profile to see how it looks like and compare with my casio Calculator

100m 10min bottom time, last stop 6m, rmv 18lpm

Depth1= 100msw: 10mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 10mins

Stop= 65msw: 1mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 15mins
Stop= 47msw: 1mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 17mins
Stop= 38msw: 1mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 19mins
Stop= 30msw: 1mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 21mins
Stop= 27msw: 1mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 22mins
Stop= 24msw: 1mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 24mins
Stop= 21msw: 2mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 26mins
Stop= 18msw: 4mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 30mins
Stop= 15msw: 5mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 36mins
Stop= 12msw: 7mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 43mins
Stop= 9msw: 9mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 52mins
Stop= 6msw: 45mins (Dil=58%He 9%O2) PPO2=1.30bar RT= 98mins
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Re: 100m dive bailout

V-Planner 3,72 by R. Hemingway, VPM code by Erik C. Baker.
Decompression model: VPM - B
DIVE PLAN
Surface interval = 1 day 0 hr 0 min.
Elevation = 0m
Conservatism = + 2
Dec to 60m (4) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 15m/min descent.
Dec to 100m (6) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 18m/min descent.
Level 100m 3:47 (10) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 35m ead, 38m end
Asc to 57m (14) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, -9m/min ascent.
Stop at 57m 0:13 (15) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 15m ead, 22m end
Stop at 54m 1:00 (16) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 13m ead, 21m end
Stop at 51m 1:00 (17) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 12m ead, 20m end
Stop at 48m 1:00 (18) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 11m ead, 19m end
Stop at 45m 1:00 (19) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 9m ead, 18m end
Stop at 42m 1:00 (20) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 8m ead, 17m end
Stop at 39m 1:00 (21) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 7m ead, 16m end
Stop at 36m 1:00 (22) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 5m ead, 15m end
Stop at 33m 1:00 (23) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 4m ead, 14m end
Stop at 30m 1:00 (24) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 2m ead, 13m end
Stop at 27m 1:00 (25) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 1m ead, 12m end
Stop at 24m 1:00 (26) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 11m end
Stop at 21m 2:00 (28) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 9m end
Stop at 18m 3:00 (31) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 8m end
Stop at 15m 3:00 (34) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 7m end
Stop at 12m 3:00 (37) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 6m end
Stop at 9m 5:00 (42) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 5m end
Stop at 6m 18:00 (60) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 0m ead, 4m end
Surface (60) Diluent 9/58 -9m/min ascent.
Off gassing starts at 66,5m
OTU's this dive: 90
CNS Total: 33,9%
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Old 25th August 2006, 06:29   #26 (permalink)
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Re: 100m dive bailout

Pierre,

you could have a problem with you bailout gasses (IBCD).

See in the run time below - the spike in N2 when you go from DT 10/70 to EAN32 is high. Why don't you use TX mix with nitrogen in it?


V-Planner 3,72 by R. Hemingway, VPM code by Erik C. Baker.
Decompression model: VPM - B
DIVE PLAN
Surface interval = 1 day 0 hr 0 min.
Elevation = 0m
Conservatism = + 2
Dec to 60m (4) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 15m/min descent.
Dec to 100m (6) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 18m/min descent.
Level 100m 3:47 (10) Diluent 9/58 1,30 SetPoint, 35m ead, 38m end
Asc to 60m (14) Trimix 10/70 -9m/min ascent.
Stop at 60m 0:33 (15) Trimix 10/70 0,70 ppO2, 8m ead, 11m end
Stop at 57m 1:00 (16) Trimix 10/70 0,67 ppO2, 7m ead, 10m end
Stop at 54m 1:00 (17) Trimix 10/70 0,64 ppO2, 6m ead, 9m end
Stop at 51m 1:00 (18) Trimix 10/70 0,61 ppO2, 5m ead, 8m end
Stop at 48m 1:00 (19) Trimix 10/70 0,58 ppO2, 5m ead, 7m end
Stop at 45m 1:00 (20) Trimix 10/70 0,55 ppO2, 4m ead, 6m end
Stop at 42m 2:00 (22) Trimix 10/70 0,52 ppO2, 3m ead, 6m end
Stop at 39m 1:00 (23) Trimix 10/70 0,49 ppO2, 2m ead, 5m end
>>>>>>Stop at 36m 1:00 (24) Nitrox 32 1,46 ppO2, 30m ead
Stop at 33m 1:00 (25) Nitrox 32 1,37 ppO2, 27m ead
Stop at 30m 1:00 (26) Nitrox 32 1,27 ppO2, 24m ead
Stop at 27m 1:00 (27) Nitrox 32 1,18 ppO2, 22m ead
Stop at 24m 2:00 (29) Nitrox 32 1,08 ppO2, 19m ead
Stop at 21m 1:00 (30) Nitrox 32 0,99 ppO2, 17m ead
Stop at 18m 3:00 (33) Nitrox 32 0,89 ppO2, 14m ead
Stop at 15m 3:00 (36) Nitrox 32 0,80 ppO2, 12m ead
Stop at 12m 4:00 (40) Nitrox 70 1,53 ppO2, 0m ead
Stop at 9m 4:00 (44) Nitrox 70 1,33 ppO2, 0m ead
Stop at 6m 21:00 (65) Nitrox 70 1,12 ppO2, 0m ead
Surface (65) Nitrox 70 -9m/min ascent.
Off gassing starts at 75,3m
OTU's this dive: 72
CNS Total: 27,9%
1638,3 ltr Trimix 10/70
752,0 ltr Nitrox 32
901,3 ltr Nitrox 70
3291,5 ltr OC TOTAL

DIVE PLAN COMPLETE
********* WARNING & DISCLAIMER *********
This V-Planner generated dive schedule could indirectly kill you.
The author does not warrant that it accurately reflects the Varying
Permeability Model algorithms, that it won't get you bent or dead, or that it
will produce safe, reliable results. This dive schedule is experimental
and you use it at your own risk. Diving in general is fraught with
risk, and decompression diving adds significantly more risk.
Deep diving utilizing multiple gasses, including Helium, is about
as risky as it gets.
This schedule is not intended for uneducated users. V-Planner and the
decompression schedules it produces are tools for experienced mixed-gas
decompression divers ONLY. If you have not been properly trained in
mixed-gas decompression diving by an internationally recognized technical
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Re: 100m dive bailout

I also recommend to use a 11 liter, not a 7 for the TX. The 7 is not big enoug.
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Re: 100m dive bailout

I would use AL80 with 10/70 as deep bailout and dil, AL80 of 20/35 for intermediate. Both divers carry those. Then one takes EAN50 7L and the other takes 5/7L O2.

I would not feel good going to 100m on less helium than 70%.

And would not use 7L tins deep. There just is not enough gas.

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Re: 100m dive bailout

So the Casio's total runtime = 98 minutes.
Hmmm, does your Casio's 10min bottom time
include descent time?

When I run the profile in vplanner, I'm getting 67min
runtimes for 10min total (6 min to descend, 4 min @ depth).

Or 113min for 16min total (e.g. 6 min to descend,
then 10 min at depth).

Is this the sort of thing you had in mind?
John G.

(edit: I thought I'd tweak this a little and line the profiles up,
casio on the right, depths as close as I can get).

V-Planner 3.73
DIVE PLAN Surface interval = 5 day 0 hr 0 min.
Elevation = 0m
Decompression model: VPM - B Conservatism = + 3
Code:
Diluent 58% HE / 9% O2
setpoint 0.7 descent, switch to 1.3 @ bottom.


 vplanner 10 min bt      |  vplanner 16min bt      |  casio 10min bt
            run          |            run          |              run
depth time time  rate    |depth time  time rate    | depth time   time
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 60m        (4) 15m/min  | 60m         (4) 15m/min |   descent
100m        (6) 18m/min  |100m         (6) 18m/min | 100m  10:00  (10)
100m  3:47 (10)          |100m  9:47  (16)         |        -       -
 72m     -   -           | 70m        (19) -9m/min |        -       -
 72m     -   -           | 72m  0:53  (20)         |        -       -
 69m     -   -           | 69m  1:00  (21)         |        -       -
 66m     -   -           | 66m  1:00  (22)         |   65m  1:00  (15)
 63m     -   -           | 63m  1:00  (23)         |        -       -
 60m       (14) -9m/min  |         -    -          |        -       -
 60m  0:33 (15)          | 60m  1:00  (24)         |        -       -
 57m  1:00 (16)          | 57m  1:00  (25)         |        -       -
 54m  1:00 (17)          | 54m  1:00  (26)         |        -       -
 51m  1:00 (18)          | 51m  1:00  (27)         |        -       -
 48m  1:00 (19)          | 48m  1:00  (28)         |   47m  1:00  (17)
 45m  1:00 (20)          | 45m  1:00  (29)         |        -       -
 42m  1:00 (21)          | 42m  1:00  (30)         |        -       -
 39m  1:00 (22)          | 39m  2:00  (32)         |   38m  1:00  (19)
 36m  1:00 (23)          | 36m  2:00  (34)         |        -       -
 33m  1:00 (24)          | 33m  2:00  (36)         |        -       -
 30m  1:00 (25)          | 30m  2:00  (38)         |   30m  1:00  (21)
 27m  1:00 (26)          | 27m  3:00  (41)         |   27m  1:00  (22)
 24m  2:00 (28)          | 24m  3:00  (44)         |   24m  1:00  (24)
 21m  3:00 (31)          | 21m  4:00  (48)         |   21m  2:00  (26)
 18m  2:00 (33)          | 18m  5:00  (53)         |   18m  4:00  (30)
 15m  4:00 (37)          | 15m  6:00  (59)         |   15m  5:00  (36)
 12m  4:00 (41)          | 12m  7:00  (66)         |   12m  7:00  (43)
  9m  5:00 (46)          |  9m 10:00  (76)         |    9m  9:00  (52)
  6m 21:00 (67)          |  6m 37:00 (113)         |    6m 45:00  (98)
Surface    (67) -9m/min  |Surface    (113) -9m/min |
Off gassing starts 67.6m | Off gassing starts 78.1m|
OTU s=94   CNS=35.5%     | OTU s=162   CNS=61.3%   |
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Pierre Farrugia)
Can someone post a profile to see how it looks like and compare with my casio Calculator

100m 10min bottom time, last stop 6m, rmv 18lpm

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Re: 100m dive bailout

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Hmmm, does your Casio's 10min bottom time
include descent time?
Yes, Pierre included the descent time into the BT from looking at the RT at the start of the ascent. And the RT at the end of the first deep stop (assuming the standard 10m/min ascend rate
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