PADI touting CCRS?

**wedivebc** · 29th July 2006, 02:36

I just got my latest Undersea Journal and was amazed to see no less than 10 pages of information about CCRs. The article written by Karl Shreeves and Drew Richardson (with some obvious influence by Peter Readey) have taken a cautious pro rebreather stance in this article. Is this the prelude to a PADI endorsed CCR program? The article seemed to be very Prism biased. Have they been talking about teaching through PADI?
Inquiring minds want to know.

zmcave · 29th July 2006, 03:09

I was quite surprised with the article, in a good way. I believe it's awesome for them to do it and help educate tons of dive professionals that don't really understand CCRs (most professionals I have spoken to in my life know what RBs do, but not many of them know the difference of SCR, eCCR, mCCR, etc, and they lack the knowledge of the basic functioning of RBs).
On the other hand, I'm not sure the padi/dsat system for becoming tec instructor is the best when applied to CCRs (you can apply for a lot of stuff at padi). BUT, I am sure if they do it, they will have a really good program with a nice text book, set of tables, videos, etc.
The article is Prism focused because most people at the headquarters are trained on the prism. There is a quite active course director who is a prism IT, so I guess it was just a matter of opportunity.

cheers,

Zé.

chucky05 · 29th July 2006, 03:57

It will be interesting to watch what they may come up with. I can't speak for the rest of the world be here in Australia SSI have had a long relationship with CCR's. We currently have courses for KISS, YBOD's, Evolution and even the Mk15.5

shell-back · 29th July 2006, 17:00

As many of you remember it was not that long ago when nitrox was taboo in the eyes of P.A.D.I and when market share was of interest they jump ship on the "no no" platform. What this suggests is that Rebreathers have found there way into the main-stream of the dive industry, With so many RBs out in production and a handful of them to be introduced at DEMA. The way the world learns to dive maybe on rebreathers.

**wedivebc** · 29th July 2006, 17:55

If I can get a decent meg manual out of it I don't care who publishes it.

Mariner · 29th July 2006, 18:17

I was happy to see such a good article in the Padi Undersea journal as well. What got me thinking is their choice of CCR to demonstrate. Is this a precursor to a PADI endorsement & training program for the Prism, the favored unit of Naui tec? If so, could this be intended for direct competition with NAUI or did they simply choose the Prism for all the same good reasons that Naui did after examining all of the units out there? We have to know the answer to one before we can know the other, but it certainly got me wondering.

Time shall tell.

seafox · 1st August 2006, 00:25

Rumor has it that PADI will be announcing CCR support at DEMA in Nov.

Crazyduck · 1st August 2006, 18:00

You mean that Curt B. has not made a new section of ADM, doing all the graphics and writeup for all rebreathers.

Andrew

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

If I can get a decent meg manual out of it I don't care who publishes it.

Freak214 · 1st August 2006, 18:57

I wonder if this will change PADI's stance on instructors using rebreathers during open water training. Their current position is OW instructors must be on open circuit to teach a class.

JohnL

Mark Wan · 1st August 2006, 19:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Freak214)

I wonder if this will change PADI's stance on instructors using rebreathers during open water training. Their current position is OW instructors must be on open circuit to teach a class.

A question to you - if you are an instructor using a rebreather, how do you demonstrate regulator removal, or air sharing using an octopus to your students?

FYI, BSAC's position is that you must use open circuit equipment similar to the students for Ocean Diver (equiv to PADI OW / AOW). For Sports Diver (roughly Rescue Diver), you are allowed to use a rebreather only for assessment dives. For any instructional dives, you must use open circuit.

There's a summary table here -
http://www.bsac.org/techserv/rrc/rtrain.htm

29th July 2006, 02:36	#1 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,355	PADI touting CCRS? I just got my latest Undersea Journal and was amazed to see no less than 10 pages of information about CCRs. The article written by Karl Shreeves and Drew Richardson (with some obvious influence by Peter Readey) have taken a cautious pro rebreather stance in this article. Is this the prelude to a PADI endorsed CCR program? The article seemed to be very Prism biased. Have they been talking about teaching through PADI? Inquiring minds want to know. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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29th July 2006, 03:09	#2 (permalink)
zmcave www.rebreather.com.br Current Rebreather/s: Optima Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Optima Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 176	Re: PADI touting CCRS? I was quite surprised with the article, in a good way. I believe it's awesome for them to do it and help educate tons of dive professionals that don't really understand CCRs (most professionals I have spoken to in my life know what RBs do, but not many of them know the difference of SCR, eCCR, mCCR, etc, and they lack the knowledge of the basic functioning of RBs). On the other hand, I'm not sure the padi/dsat system for becoming tec instructor is the best when applied to CCRs (you can apply for a lot of stuff at padi). BUT, I am sure if they do it, they will have a really good program with a nice text book, set of tables, videos, etc. The article is Prism focused because most people at the headquarters are trained on the prism. There is a quite active course director who is a prism IT, so I guess it was just a matter of opportunity. cheers, Zé.
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29th July 2006, 03:57	#3 (permalink)
chucky05 Optima Pilot Current Rebreather/s: Optima Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 37	Re: PADI touting CCRS? It will be interesting to watch what they may come up with. I can't speak for the rest of the world be here in Australia SSI have had a long relationship with CCR's. We currently have courses for KISS, YBOD's, Evolution and even the Mk15.5 __________________ John Allsop Optima Pilot from the Land Down Under SSI Instructor Certifier TDI/SDI Instructor
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29th July 2006, 17:00	#4 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 481	Re: PADI touting CCRS? As many of you remember it was not that long ago when nitrox was taboo in the eyes of P.A.D.I and when market share was of interest they jump ship on the "no no" platform. What this suggests is that Rebreathers have found there way into the main-stream of the dive industry, With so many RBs out in production and a handful of them to be introduced at DEMA. The way the world learns to dive maybe on rebreathers. __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. ----Daniel Boorstin Billy Beal SDITDI IT #3507 Rebreather World FIGJAM commitee member
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29th July 2006, 17:55	#5 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,355	Re: PADI touting CCRS? If I can get a decent meg manual out of it I don't care who publishes it. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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29th July 2006, 18:17	#6 (permalink)
Mariner New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Reading, MA USA Posts: 18	Re: PADI touting CCRS? I was happy to see such a good article in the Padi Undersea journal as well. What got me thinking is their choice of CCR to demonstrate. Is this a precursor to a PADI endorsement & training program for the Prism, the favored unit of Naui tec? If so, could this be intended for direct competition with NAUI or did they simply choose the Prism for all the same good reasons that Naui did after examining all of the units out there? We have to know the answer to one before we can know the other, but it certainly got me wondering. Time shall tell.
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1st August 2006, 00:25	#7 (permalink)
seafox 02ptima Instructor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TORONTO, CANADA -Have "02ptima" will travel! Posts: 172	Re: PADI touting CCRS? Rumor has it that PADI will be announcing CCR support at DEMA in Nov. __________________ Protect the SHARKS! Excellence is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction, skillful execution and the vision to see obstacles as opportunities. Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards!
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1st August 2006, 18:00	#8 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 697	Re: PADI touting CCRS? You mean that Curt B. has not made a new section of ADM, doing all the graphics and writeup for all rebreathers. Andrew Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) If I can get a decent meg manual out of it I don't care who publishes it. __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha.
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1st August 2006, 18:57	#9 (permalink)
Freak214 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA, Virginia Posts: 44	Re: PADI touting CCRS? I wonder if this will change PADI's stance on instructors using rebreathers during open water training. Their current position is OW instructors must be on open circuit to teach a class. JohnL
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1st August 2006, 19:53	#10 (permalink)
Mark Wan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hammersmith, London Posts: 59	Re: PADI touting CCRS? Quote: (Originally Posted by Freak214) I wonder if this will change PADI's stance on instructors using rebreathers during open water training. Their current position is OW instructors must be on open circuit to teach a class. A question to you - if you are an instructor using a rebreather, how do you demonstrate regulator removal, or air sharing using an octopus to your students? FYI, BSAC's position is that you must use open circuit equipment similar to the students for Ocean Diver (equiv to PADI OW / AOW). For Sports Diver (roughly Rescue Diver), you are allowed to use a rebreather only for assessment dives. For any instructional dives, you must use open circuit. There's a summary table here - http://www.bsac.org/techserv/rrc/rtrain.htm __________________ newbie inspo vision diver Last edited by Mark Wan : 1st August 2006 at 19:59.
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