PADI touting CCRS?

Captain Randy

It may be easy for you as the instructor but the student would then spend the dive wondering why you were wearing somthing different than them. They need to be concerned with adapting to the open water enviorment.
I think PADI is right the students need to be looking at instructors and divrmasters using the same gear they are using.

Randy

dive2dive2000

Luke,

Not every OW student will aspire to be a "Hairy chested deep sea ccr diver's"
As hard as it is to believe, some divers enjoy the sport once or twice a year while on vacation. To strap a ccr on and introduce diving to that individual is unfare and not prudent IMHO. for the rest of us well advanced classes

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Martin

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ScubaDadMiami

With the rapid proliferation of CCR's, I think it would be a benefit to students to see one and learn what to do (such as in the event of emergencies) from the outset.

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decoweenie

Given there are CCR divers who have no idea what to do such in the event of emergencies, dream on with an OW student (PADI to boot)...

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rigdiver

I agree. NAUI standards state an Inst. will be in similar gear. If teaching OC the Inst. must be on OC. Why confuse students. I think if you are teaching Basic OW you should be in basic OW gear. Now, if the Instructor needed to be rescued do you really think the sudents would be astute enough to do much? Do you really think the students would have the sense to close a DSV? I'm all for showing students different rigs. Diving with students should in no way be confusing. They are barely familiar with what they are wearing.
Bill

dantheman

I couldn't disagree more.

Teaching OW is a joy to me because I'm the guide for people to find the same bliss I enjoy.
I firmly believe that same gear is essential to the learning process, during the OW class.
(I can see an argument that it's not as clear for advanced and specialties,
although I still see some value there ...)

I don't buy the "greater danger from ascents" reason against.
I think there's a much more compelling reason to use same gear: pedagogy.

--dan

hchoat

I agree.

On the rare occasions that I teach BOW classes these days I find them more stressful than teaching Cave and Trimix- primarily because BOW students do not react in predictable ways. If anything I find that one must be more vigilant with them than with more experienced students.

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M Fee

I would be very suprised if they would base their first course on the prism. Had one and is one of the best, but it would not make very good business sense.

M Fee

RonMicjan

most OW students are barely able to breathe on their own (yes i was there once and barely able to breathe on my own, so I know this from experience), that and a couple years of divemastering OW classes.

I find OW to be the most stressful of instruction, lots of them dont even want to be there, pressure from spouses, etc, and are looking to fail or do really stupid stuff. I would much rather teach advanced classes (like CCR) where you know they want to learn (nothing like dropping 10k+ on a unit and class to keep someones attention) and are less likely to do crazy stuff.

Sir, I humbly submit that if you are teaching with your brain disengaged, then your students are not getting their moneys worth, and you are doing them a disservice, it might be time to get out of teaching and let someone do it that is enthusiastic about the prospect. Students, just like kids, can read your mind and know when your heart is not in something.

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