new oceanic rebreather

EBT

Almost sounds too good to be true

Lets hope they prove us wrong eh? <wonders where the "im holding my breath" emote is>

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For anyone interested “Surface Interval” Podcast 13 has a conversation with the CEO (and founder) of Oceanic Robert Hollis. They had a sit down and a lot was discussed about ideas for computers, rebreathers, hotel development and such. Plus the mention of a new technical line of dive gear called Hollis.

I was impressed with the details and comments made by Mr. Hollis.
Link- http://surfaceinterval.thepodcastnetwork.com/

Of course not to detract from the guys from Surface Interval.

Andrew

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canucksubmariner

Enjoy the K1

Genesis

I will.... and may take a run at the "business model" side once its working.

I find the "nannyism" extremely offensive, as you know, and refuse to support it.

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decoweenie

Karl,

After the 1001th time, I think we GOT IT!

The "business model" isn't going to change, and as you can't live with it and in the process of building your own unit, good luck and more strength to you.

... but we GOT IT, and we could live with the "business model" ourselves. So please give it a rest.

Please!

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Genesis

So one should just "bend over, shut up, and take it" if they disagree with a given business model?

I don't think so. That's what everyone was told a few years ago about parts availability for OC gear and internet sales. "Shut up and buy at your LDS!"

Slowly, things changed........ and continue to.

With RBs the problem is even more severe because without factory support on any "factory" unit you run the very real risk of owning a really expensive and large paperweight. Yet all of the "factories" reserve the right to withdraw their support not only of the product but of YOUR SPECIFIC INSTANCE of the product if you do something they don't like (e.g. someone buys it that they don't believe is "worthy" (e.g. hasn't paid their "tax"))

DiveRite tried to EXPAND this sort of nonsense with the Trimix PIN on the O2ptima, but after LOUD screaming backed off. They would have SOLD ME an O2ptima, but during the time of their game-playing I decided to build instead - by the time they reverse course it was too late for MY sale.

Arguing that there's no point in dissent is rather foolish, given the history of market response..... and the market does always respond.... in one way or another.

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decoweenie

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canucksubmariner

Karl,

Bottom line here, Oceanic is not and has never been anti internet, we allowed our dealers to sell there first among the majors.

As far as servicing, well, it is what it is at this point. The truth is outside of a small percentage of divers (who on here are the majority) most recreational divers have no interest in servicing their own gear anyhow.

The dive companies are what they are BECAUSE of their dealers and to throw them under the bus would be the worst case of disloyality possible.

The best part is you KNOW you are the fringe but so enjoy stirring things up and have done so much of it you may actually be starting to believe that everybody wants what you do. They don't.

Another good part is its never occured to you that some of the roadblocks you "deal" with are only there because you haven't figured out that those roadblocks don't exist to others in your situation because of instead of screaming to whomever will listen they develop realationships based on mutual respect and trust.

Look bottom line is this is about us showing some stuff at DEMA, I always lurk on Rebreather World because of the great information to be found, normaly can't be bothered to post. When I come on here and try to be nice by giving what I know is a interested group a small heads up you jump in and start your crap. I made a joke, many would just say "**** it, if I'm going to be attacked why bother" so everyone on here gets to pay for your lack of common sense.

You're a smart guy and there is always some kernal of truth in your latest campain but you hurt your own agenda by being such an ass about it. Actually you remind me of soon to be ex congresswoman Cynthia McKinney.

Her latest Quote as found on CNN.com

"Members of the press, as well as our political leaders, don't give us explanations that explain, or conclusions that conclude," McKinney said. "There comes a time when people of conscience are compelled to dissent."

Anybody else see the similarity?

Best,

Chris

EBT

This is something we all need to bear in mind.... whilst we might not agree with everything the "industry" does, it doesnt help us to be negative about everything all the time. From small acorns.....

/Zak

PS. Chris, Im hoping you release something, I really am, but based on past experience, "strong in me, the skeptic is" <wiggles ears>.

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Last time around the bush it was Oceanic and others, the business relationships dissolved leaving behind a unit that could not be sold due to so many components being owned by different entities that only communicated thru the lawyers.... This time it is 100% Oceanic. As always there could be delays, especially as some of what is being done is the first time ever by anybody. We recognize that and to be honest some stuff we are doing we aren't even looking at implementing in the first commercial unit. This will allow us to get it in the water more quickly.