Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses

teksimple · 5th July 2006, 04:45

I just replaced the flimsy EPDM hoses on my Mark 15.5 with the same hoses used on Boris, ordered direct from Herbert Cooper. Expensive, yes, but what an upgrade!!

In today's 200 minute dive, I noticed reduced work of breathing (metal reinforcement prevents collapse), MUCH less condensation (insulated), and best of all, the comfort in knowing that an accidental brush with a sharp object won't flood my loop (heavy duty fabric).

FYI, Herbert Cooper Company is definitely old school, which makes sense considering the part of the country they are in. I doubt if there are many traffic lights in Genesee, PA. Once out of the three times that I called, I spoke to a Mr. Cooper himself. It sounded like they wouldn't be putting up a web site any time soon. They would not take my order over the phone (I had to fax them a written purchase order) and they delivered them via UPS C.O.D. almost two weeks later. Well worth it.

I would think that the same length would work for the KISS, etc, as long as the ends could be adapted.

JonnyB · 5th July 2006, 05:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple)

I just replaced the flimsy EPDM hoses on my Mark 15.5 with the same hoses used on Boris, ordered direct from Herbert Cooper. Expensive, yes, but what an upgrade!!

In today's 200 minute dive, I noticed reduced work of breathing (metal reinforcement prevents collapse), MUCH less condensation (insulated), and best of all, the comfort in knowing that an accidental brush with a sharp object won't flood my loop (heavy duty fabric).

FYI, Herbert Cooper Company is definitely old school, which makes sense considering the part of the country they are in. I doubt if there are many traffic lights in Genesee, PA. Once out of the three times that I called, I spoke to a Mr. Cooper himself. It sounded like they wouldn't be putting up a web site any time soon. They would not take my order over the phone (I had to fax them a written purchase order) and they delivered them via UPS C.O.D. almost two weeks later. Well worth it.

I would think that the same length would work for the KISS, etc, as long as the ends could be adapted.

You have the contact details?

/Jonny

teksimple · 5th July 2006, 06:00

Herbert Cooper Co.
121 Main St., Genesee PA 16923, United States
ph. (814)228-3417
fx. (814)228-3500
Boris hose part number is: HC215-24-22

I supposedly ordered the last three they had in stock, at $54.41 each plus shipping, but by now they should have cured some more. Herbert Cooper says that they are "not recommended for underwater use", but I think that is a liability paranoia thing typical in a country with more attorneys than stray cats. These are definitely milspec quality, and were CE approved on the Boris.

**hoppyinca** · 6th July 2006, 03:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple)

I just replaced the flimsy EPDM hoses on my Mark 15.5 with the same hoses used on Boris, ordered direct from Herbert Cooper...

What are you using as adaptors onthe hose ends?

Hoppyinca

teksimple · 6th July 2006, 05:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca)

What are you using as adaptors onthe hose ends?

Hoppyinca

GOOD question. Though they fit the PRISM DSV side perfectly, they did not fit exactly on the center section side...the diameter of the hoses was a bit too big. At first I was a bit concerned. I would hate for one to slide off and blow my loop! So I cranked down the hose clamp and then tested it by pulling on it firmly. Didn't budge. Below in the closeup you can see that there was some slight "frumping" of the rubber. Still, I think an adaptor would be in order. If it was snug without the hose clamp then the hose clamp wouldn't be a single point of failure. Any suggestions?

**hoppyinca** · 7th July 2006, 00:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple)

GOOD question...Still, I think an adaptor would be in order. If it was snug without the hose clamp then the hose clamp wouldn't be a single point of failure. Any suggestions?...

The only adaptors I have seen are John Dekker's Rig here:
http://www.therebreathersite.nl/biomarine_mk15.htm

I believe he had to pay a very exorbant sum to have them made...
"180 euro for the adaptors and 220 euro for the hoses".

I think I might be able to find a machine shop that could make some for less than that... I will let you know if I do!

BTW, I have a 15, so If I find a place I would need to know the size of the 15.5 canister hose conns... looks like their fairly close though.

The price you paid for the hoses is VERY NICE!

Hoppyinca

Gasman · 7th July 2006, 03:52

Hi,

Do they have hoses that could be used with an Inspiration?

Andrew

silent running · 7th July 2006, 07:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gasman)

Hi,

Do they have hoses that could be used with an Inspiration?

Andrew

Hello Andrew, I thought about this for my Prism and it seems to me that they'd only be usable for the Head-CL part of the loop. I think they'd be way too stiff for the CL-DSV section. But it's the Head-CL hoses I worry about snagging anyway, as I can't see them. And it's certainly cheaper than having to use them for the whole loop. -Andy

Gasman · 7th July 2006, 07:54

Excusing my ignorance Andy,
but are the Insiration / Prism hoses the same ID and the same size as these hoses?

I'm paranoid about all the hoses!

Andrew

teksimple · 7th July 2006, 08:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gasman)

Excusing my ignorance Andy,
but are the Insiration / Prism hoses the same ID and the same size as these hoses?

I'm paranoid about all the hoses!

Andrew

For the PRISM DSV, they are the same diameter (as I used PRISM hoses ever since I bought my Mark 15.5 from Steam Machines). Not sure about the length or the connecton on the center section. Are the PRISM hoses cut to length for the PRISM as they were on my Mark 15.5?

You definitely could not cut the Herbert Cooper hoses to length. You would have to order the right size from Herbert Cooper. Now I am wondering if they can custom-make the ends to size. I think they aim to please, in any case. See the fax regarding underwater suitability below:

5th July 2006, 04:45	#1 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 480	Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses I just replaced the flimsy EPDM hoses on my Mark 15.5 with the same hoses used on Boris, ordered direct from Herbert Cooper. Expensive, yes, but what an upgrade!! In today's 200 minute dive, I noticed reduced work of breathing (metal reinforcement prevents collapse), MUCH less condensation (insulated), and best of all, the comfort in knowing that an accidental brush with a sharp object won't flood my loop (heavy duty fabric). FYI, Herbert Cooper Company is definitely old school, which makes sense considering the part of the country they are in. I doubt if there are many traffic lights in Genesee, PA. Once out of the three times that I called, I spoke to a Mr. Cooper himself. It sounded like they wouldn't be putting up a web site any time soon. They would not take my order over the phone (I had to fax them a written purchase order) and they delivered them via UPS C.O.D. almost two weeks later. Well worth it. I would think that the same length would work for the KISS, etc, as long as the ends could be adapted.
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5th July 2006, 05:41	#2 (permalink)
JonnyB Jonny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 940	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple) I just replaced the flimsy EPDM hoses on my Mark 15.5 with the same hoses used on Boris, ordered direct from Herbert Cooper. Expensive, yes, but what an upgrade!! In today's 200 minute dive, I noticed reduced work of breathing (metal reinforcement prevents collapse), MUCH less condensation (insulated), and best of all, the comfort in knowing that an accidental brush with a sharp object won't flood my loop (heavy duty fabric). FYI, Herbert Cooper Company is definitely old school, which makes sense considering the part of the country they are in. I doubt if there are many traffic lights in Genesee, PA. Once out of the three times that I called, I spoke to a Mr. Cooper himself. It sounded like they wouldn't be putting up a web site any time soon. They would not take my order over the phone (I had to fax them a written purchase order) and they delivered them via UPS C.O.D. almost two weeks later. Well worth it. I would think that the same length would work for the KISS, etc, as long as the ends could be adapted. You have the contact details? /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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5th July 2006, 06:00	#3 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 480	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Herbert Cooper Co. 121 Main St., Genesee PA 16923, United States ph. (814)228-3417 fx. (814)228-3500 Boris hose part number is: HC215-24-22 I supposedly ordered the last three they had in stock, at $54.41 each plus shipping, but by now they should have cured some more. Herbert Cooper says that they are "not recommended for underwater use", but I think that is a liability paranoia thing typical in a country with more attorneys than stray cats. These are definitely milspec quality, and were CE approved on the Boris.
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6th July 2006, 03:30	#4 (permalink)
hoppyinca New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA USA Posts: 250	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple) I just replaced the flimsy EPDM hoses on my Mark 15.5 with the same hoses used on Boris, ordered direct from Herbert Cooper... What are you using as adaptors onthe hose ends? Hoppyinca
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6th July 2006, 05:54	#5 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 480	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca) What are you using as adaptors onthe hose ends? Hoppyinca GOOD question. Though they fit the PRISM DSV side perfectly, they did not fit exactly on the center section side...the diameter of the hoses was a bit too big. At first I was a bit concerned. I would hate for one to slide off and blow my loop! So I cranked down the hose clamp and then tested it by pulling on it firmly. Didn't budge. Below in the closeup you can see that there was some slight "frumping" of the rubber. Still, I think an adaptor would be in order. If it was snug without the hose clamp then the hose clamp wouldn't be a single point of failure. Any suggestions?
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7th July 2006, 00:19	#6 (permalink)
hoppyinca New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA USA Posts: 250	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple) GOOD question...Still, I think an adaptor would be in order. If it was snug without the hose clamp then the hose clamp wouldn't be a single point of failure. Any suggestions?... The only adaptors I have seen are John Dekker's Rig here: http://www.therebreathersite.nl/biomarine_mk15.htm I believe he had to pay a very exorbant sum to have them made... "180 euro for the adaptors and 220 euro for the hoses". I think I might be able to find a machine shop that could make some for less than that... I will let you know if I do! BTW, I have a 15, so If I find a place I would need to know the size of the 15.5 canister hose conns... looks like their fairly close though. The price you paid for the hoses is VERY NICE! Hoppyinca
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7th July 2006, 03:52	#7 (permalink)
Gasman New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 33	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Hi, Do they have hoses that could be used with an Inspiration? Andrew
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7th July 2006, 07:00	#8 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,771	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Gasman) Hi, Do they have hoses that could be used with an Inspiration? Andrew Hello Andrew, I thought about this for my Prism and it seems to me that they'd only be usable for the Head-CL part of the loop. I think they'd be way too stiff for the CL-DSV section. But it's the Head-CL hoses I worry about snagging anyway, as I can't see them. And it's certainly cheaper than having to use them for the whole loop. -Andy
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7th July 2006, 07:54	#9 (permalink)
Gasman New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 33	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Excusing my ignorance Andy, but are the Insiration / Prism hoses the same ID and the same size as these hoses? I'm paranoid about all the hoses! Andrew
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7th July 2006, 08:51	#10 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 480	Re: Herbert Cooper rubber breathing hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Gasman) Excusing my ignorance Andy, but are the Insiration / Prism hoses the same ID and the same size as these hoses? I'm paranoid about all the hoses! Andrew For the PRISM DSV, they are the same diameter (as I used PRISM hoses ever since I bought my Mark 15.5 from Steam Machines). Not sure about the length or the connecton on the center section. Are the PRISM hoses cut to length for the PRISM as they were on my Mark 15.5? You definitely could not cut the Herbert Cooper hoses to length. You would have to order the right size from Herbert Cooper. Now I am wondering if they can custom-make the ends to size. I think they aim to please, in any case. See the fax regarding underwater suitability below:
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