is it legal?

CCR900 · 8th June 2006, 14:16

Would it not be fair to say that the sale of second hand units tends to be an ad hoc affair? Usually done in cash between two people that know little of each other. Deals are done with very little personal information exchanged so in practical terms, if a buyer wanted to sue the seller it would be difficult to prove previous ownership especially if the seller shrugs his shoulders. I owned a SK for example, I never was able to find the serial number. If there is no mark how can you prove which Rebreather comes from whom or where.

What I wish to say here is any case would be hard to prove....

F

JonnyB · 8th June 2006, 14:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

Would it not be fair to say that the sale of second hand units tends to be an ad hoc affair? Usually done in cash between two people that know little of each other. Deals are done with very little personal information exchanged so in practical terms, if a buyer wanted to sue the seller it would be difficult to prove previous ownership especially if the seller shrugs his shoulders. I owned a SK for example, I never was able to find the serial number. If there is no mark how can you prove which Rebreather comes from whom or where.

What I wish to say here is any case would be hard to prove....

F

Well if you call Jetsam and ask them who the original owner of CK 163 is i am sure they will say c'est moi!

/Jonny

Sue · 8th June 2006, 18:28

F.

Jonny's right. My SK as most of them, didn't have a number on, like the CK, so I emailed Kim, and she told me what number my unit was.
They have a complete list of all Kiss first owners, and I guess us, the ones who have sold ours, are messing it up, not informing Jetsam about the new owner
<going to send an email right now>

Sue

Janos · 8th June 2006, 19:12

Get it in writing!

Seriously though, if (god forbid) anything did go wrong, and I was hauled up in court for selling my KISS to someone [1] then I find it hard to believe that I could be convicted if I was holding a letter from Trading Standards in my hand saying it was legal.

Janos

[1] - Why would I want to do that?

AM · 8th June 2006, 20:22

Trading Standards do not make the law - Parliament does.

A letter from Trading Standards would therefore not be worth the paper it's printed on.

Trading Standards also do not interpret the law - that is the role of the judiciary.

In these instances of rebreather sales, Trading Standards really have very little part to play.

Regards

AnneMarie

Janos · 8th June 2006, 21:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

Trading Standards do not make the law - Parliament does.

Yes Minister

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

A letter from Trading Standards would therefore not be worth the paper it's printed on.

Even if what you says is true, it doesn't mean it's worthless

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

Trading Standards also do not interpret the law - that is the role of the judiciary.

In these instances of rebreather sales, Trading Standards really have very little part to play.

It depends on the charge. I think it would go a long way in defending a charge of negligence, for example.

Janos

AM · 8th June 2006, 21:19

Janos - I don't believe you are really that naive that you think some penny dreadful piece of paper from Trading Standards could exonerate a charge of negligence!!

You are missing the point here. Trading Standards are irrelevant. There are merely another government quango and have no jurisdiction in making or interpreting the law. They are primarily concerned with defective issues not issues of consumer to consumer negligence - which is a legal matter.

Good chatting Janos

Regards

AnneMarie

divetheworld · 8th June 2006, 21:49

The DTI is the market surveillance authority, they sub-contract enforcement to the governemt agencies.
Anything in writing must come from the DTI or an appointed representative or its worthless.

Brent

AM · 8th June 2006, 22:32

Oi! Man-Tart, get off and stop using your fancy numbers to get your slimy feet in the door HAHA

Any man who carries out dubious favours to get a blingy cover must be treated with caution

Too funny LOl toooo funny...

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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: is it legal? Would it not be fair to say that the sale of second hand units tends to be an ad hoc affair? Usually done in cash between two people that know little of each other. Deals are done with very little personal information exchanged so in practical terms, if a buyer wanted to sue the seller it would be difficult to prove previous ownership especially if the seller shrugs his shoulders. I owned a SK for example, I never was able to find the serial number. If there is no mark how can you prove which Rebreather comes from whom or where. What I wish to say here is any case would be hard to prove.... F
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JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 961	Re: is it legal? Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) Would it not be fair to say that the sale of second hand units tends to be an ad hoc affair? Usually done in cash between two people that know little of each other. Deals are done with very little personal information exchanged so in practical terms, if a buyer wanted to sue the seller it would be difficult to prove previous ownership especially if the seller shrugs his shoulders. I owned a SK for example, I never was able to find the serial number. If there is no mark how can you prove which Rebreather comes from whom or where. What I wish to say here is any case would be hard to prove.... F Well if you call Jetsam and ask them who the original owner of CK 163 is i am sure they will say c'est moi! /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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8th June 2006, 18:28	#13 (permalink)
Sue Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 161	Re: is it legal? F. Jonny's right. My SK as most of them, didn't have a number on, like the CK, so I emailed Kim, and she told me what number my unit was. They have a complete list of all Kiss first owners, and I guess us, the ones who have sold ours, are messing it up, not informing Jetsam about the new owner <going to send an email right now> Sue
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8th June 2006, 19:12	#14 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 594	Re: is it legal? Get it in writing! Seriously though, if (god forbid) anything did go wrong, and I was hauled up in court for selling my KISS to someone [1] then I find it hard to believe that I could be convicted if I was holding a letter from Trading Standards in my hand saying it was legal. Janos [1] - Why would I want to do that? __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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8th June 2006, 20:22	#15 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: is it legal? Trading Standards do not make the law - Parliament does. A letter from Trading Standards would therefore not be worth the paper it's printed on. Trading Standards also do not interpret the law - that is the role of the judiciary. In these instances of rebreather sales, Trading Standards really have very little part to play. Regards AnneMarie __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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8th June 2006, 21:08	#16 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 594	Re: is it legal? Quote: (Originally Posted by am) Trading Standards do not make the law - Parliament does. Yes Minister Quote: (Originally Posted by am) A letter from Trading Standards would therefore not be worth the paper it's printed on. Even if what you says is true, it doesn't mean it's worthless Quote: (Originally Posted by am) Trading Standards also do not interpret the law - that is the role of the judiciary. In these instances of rebreather sales, Trading Standards really have very little part to play. It depends on the charge. I think it would go a long way in defending a charge of negligence, for example. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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8th June 2006, 21:19	#17 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: is it legal? Janos - I don't believe you are really that naive that you think some penny dreadful piece of paper from Trading Standards could exonerate a charge of negligence!! You are missing the point here. Trading Standards are irrelevant. There are merely another government quango and have no jurisdiction in making or interpreting the law. They are primarily concerned with defective issues not issues of consumer to consumer negligence - which is a legal matter. Good chatting Janos Regards AnneMarie __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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8th June 2006, 21:49	#18 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,562	Re: is it legal? The DTI is the market surveillance authority, they sub-contract enforcement to the governemt agencies. Anything in writing must come from the DTI or an appointed representative or its worthless. Brent __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 8th June 2006 at 22:29.
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AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: is it legal? Oi! Man-Tart, get off and stop using your fancy numbers to get your slimy feet in the door HAHA Any man who carries out dubious favours to get a blingy cover must be treated with caution Too funny LOl toooo funny... __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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