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AM · 2nd May 2005, 02:05

Ahahaha OMS gear was my favourite ranty topic a few years ago and BOY did it wind some people up, it was like catching fish on the net, just throw out a few hooks and wait for the bites ROFL!!

Actually though OMS make a dual bladder wing as do some other manufacturers, I thought before about having some wing redundancy or a bigger wing as we never really think about how much extra bouyancy would be needed to get out with a flooded loop even if you switched to open circuit, a waterlogged loop is heavy!!

As for parts laying around John, now you're talking!!! I am currently in a connector fest with the swagelock catalogue and also working on a few little secret projects which I can only share over beer

When normal people that don't dive (civilians LOL) come to the house it can get very embarrassing!! As I said you haven't seen my bathroom!!

narked at 90 · 2nd May 2005, 02:24

ammers send me your mobile no. and the piccy will come of my front room at this moment in time!!!

ooooohhhh swagelok catalog

you should also get clipard,airlogic,pneumadyne and pneumatic accesories direct catologes sad reading..........but it doses it for me all, i have to do is find a woman in the same world!
johnb

Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie)

Ahahaha OMS gear was my favourite ranty topic a few years ago and BOY did it wind some people up, it was like catching fish on the net, just throw out a few hooks and wait for the bites ROFL!!

Actually though OMS make a dual bladder wing as do some other manufacturers, I thought before about having some wing redundancy or a bigger wing as we never really think about how much extra bouyancy would be needed to get out with a flooded loop even if you switched to open circuit, a waterlogged loop is heavy!!

As for parts laying around John, now you're talking!!! I am currently in a connector fest with the swagelock catalogue and also working on a few little secret projects which I can only share over beer

When normal people that don't dive (civilians LOL) come to the house it can get very embarrassing!! As I said you haven't seen my bathroom!!

AM · 2nd May 2005, 02:28

my mobile is lying around somewhere with a dead battery I hate talking on the phone, last year at work I was on it for hours every day and my brain is fried

email the pic here or am23uk@yahoo.co.uk is main email address

Yes the connector stuff is very valid, it's going to be very time consuming though increasing the depth capability of KISS is just around the corner mwoo haha although I fear the displays will suffer the same fate as the KATO

narked at 90 · 2nd May 2005, 02:38

same on the mobile you wouldnt belive my bill...as i dont have a land line but im not very good on the phone anyway but it's the only way i could send ya a picture!

what do you think will be you problems with the displays??if there is a way i can help i will..
john

Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie)

my mobile is lying around somewhere with a dead battery I hate talking on the phone, last year at work I was on it for hours every day and my brain is fried

email the pic here or am23uk@yahoo.co.uk is main email address

Yes the connector stuff is very valid, it's going to be very time consuming though increasing the depth capability of KISS is just around the corner mwoo haha although I fear the displays will suffer the same fate as the KATO

AM · 2nd May 2005, 02:43

I am already working on it but I think they will go BANG! probably past 130+

take the pic on phone then USB it to PC then email it?

buggeriamold · 2nd May 2005, 03:28

Quote:

Be careful about teflon seats for ADVs I have a scary story for you I'll PM it.

Not the right place for it, but having just replaced oring in my adv, and seen mention of this a couple of times now. What ****ing teflon seat?

Mark

AM · 2nd May 2005, 03:41

The older KISSes had a teflon seat, recently a diver with an older KISS had an ADV freeflow at 20m on ascent, on 10/50 diluent, PPO2 dropped and despite plenty of O2 and working O2 addition mechanism it was impossible for the diver to raise PPO2 to life sustaining levels for the ascent. The diver shut down dil but basically when the ADV free flowed the auto dump was venting even when it was fully closed, it vented so hard that the little rubber seat got dislodged, the O2 enters below the dump and the fresh O2 was venting out of the top, what could be pulled round the loop on inhale cycle was not enough to raise PPO2, OC bailout was deployed by the diver.

The fix longer term was to strip the unit and modify the dump valve so that it can be shut down completely, dave thompson and bob howell made the same mod for Inspiration I believe. The exercise was repeated with defective ADV and the fault was found to be caused by the "lollipop" rising up and the edge of the black disk getting caught on the screw that holds the diaphragm plates in place due to a distorted diaphragm.

This is the old teflon seat ADV and has a black plastic disk on the end of the rod. The current valve has a glued in o ring that can be replaced when it starts to leak, also the black disk was deleted (I don't know when, older KISSes may still have teflon seat) and a new diaphragm assembly used that allows the ADV stem to be dropped in place without removing the diaphragm. If you DO have the teflon seat valve and it is still working you can substitute the new diaphragm assembly and just leave out the disk on the end of the rod.

General consensus is that the fix deployed as detailed above is not appropriate as the collar addition to the exhaust valve is still working with a soft, thin seal and is not recommended as a solid shutoff valve, although it WILL still vent on overpressure.

Regards

AnneMarie

buggeriamold · 2nd May 2005, 03:50

Thanks,

Was just concerned I had missed something as my unit is number 57, but it has the newer adv as per your description above.

Who ever said that there was nothing to be learned in a dir discussion!

Mark

AM · 2nd May 2005, 03:54

Haha, so you've got the DIR ADV you can be in the club LOL

My unit was only about a dozen or so ahead of yours in production then!!

It is beautifully machined is it not!! I am going to marry it

decoweenie · 2nd May 2005, 05:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie)

My unit was only about a dozen or so ahead of yours in production then!

Actually your s/n is higher than Mark's (57) so your is newer.

Mark, the old ADV issue that AM mentioned was discussed on the KISS Owner List just a week or so ago. Are you not on there ?

2nd May 2005, 02:05	#21 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Ahahaha OMS gear was my favourite ranty topic a few years ago and BOY did it wind some people up, it was like catching fish on the net, just throw out a few hooks and wait for the bites ROFL!! Actually though OMS make a dual bladder wing as do some other manufacturers, I thought before about having some wing redundancy or a bigger wing as we never really think about how much extra bouyancy would be needed to get out with a flooded loop even if you switched to open circuit, a waterlogged loop is heavy!! As for parts laying around John, now you're talking!!! I am currently in a connector fest with the swagelock catalogue and also working on a few little secret projects which I can only share over beer When normal people that don't dive (civilians LOL) come to the house it can get very embarrassing!! As I said you haven't seen my bathroom!! __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 02:24	#22 (permalink)
narked at 90 In my own little world Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: middlands uk Posts: 1,008	ammers send me your mobile no. and the piccy will come of my front room at this moment in time!!! ooooohhhh swagelok catalog you should also get clipard,airlogic,pneumadyne and pneumatic accesories direct catologes sad reading..........but it doses it for me all, i have to do is find a woman in the same world! johnb Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie) Ahahaha OMS gear was my favourite ranty topic a few years ago and BOY did it wind some people up, it was like catching fish on the net, just throw out a few hooks and wait for the bites ROFL!! Actually though OMS make a dual bladder wing as do some other manufacturers, I thought before about having some wing redundancy or a bigger wing as we never really think about how much extra bouyancy would be needed to get out with a flooded loop even if you switched to open circuit, a waterlogged loop is heavy!! As for parts laying around John, now you're talking!!! I am currently in a connector fest with the swagelock catalogue and also working on a few little secret projects which I can only share over beer When normal people that don't dive (civilians LOL) come to the house it can get very embarrassing!! As I said you haven't seen my bathroom!!
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2nd May 2005, 02:28	#23 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	my mobile is lying around somewhere with a dead battery I hate talking on the phone, last year at work I was on it for hours every day and my brain is fried email the pic here or am23uk@yahoo.co.uk is main email address Yes the connector stuff is very valid, it's going to be very time consuming though increasing the depth capability of KISS is just around the corner mwoo haha although I fear the displays will suffer the same fate as the KATO __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 02:38	#24 (permalink)
narked at 90 In my own little world Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: middlands uk Posts: 1,008	same on the mobile you wouldnt belive my bill...as i dont have a land line but im not very good on the phone anyway but it's the only way i could send ya a picture! what do you think will be you problems with the displays??if there is a way i can help i will.. john Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie) my mobile is lying around somewhere with a dead battery I hate talking on the phone, last year at work I was on it for hours every day and my brain is fried email the pic here or am23uk@yahoo.co.uk is main email address Yes the connector stuff is very valid, it's going to be very time consuming though increasing the depth capability of KISS is just around the corner mwoo haha although I fear the displays will suffer the same fate as the KATO
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2nd May 2005, 02:43	#25 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	I am already working on it but I think they will go BANG! probably past 130+ take the pic on phone then USB it to PC then email it? __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 03:28	#26 (permalink)
buggeriamold Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: australia Posts: 100	Quote: Be careful about teflon seats for ADVs I have a scary story for you I'll PM it. Not the right place for it, but having just replaced oring in my adv, and seen mention of this a couple of times now. What ****ing teflon seat? Mark
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2nd May 2005, 03:41	#27 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	The older KISSes had a teflon seat, recently a diver with an older KISS had an ADV freeflow at 20m on ascent, on 10/50 diluent, PPO2 dropped and despite plenty of O2 and working O2 addition mechanism it was impossible for the diver to raise PPO2 to life sustaining levels for the ascent. The diver shut down dil but basically when the ADV free flowed the auto dump was venting even when it was fully closed, it vented so hard that the little rubber seat got dislodged, the O2 enters below the dump and the fresh O2 was venting out of the top, what could be pulled round the loop on inhale cycle was not enough to raise PPO2, OC bailout was deployed by the diver. The fix longer term was to strip the unit and modify the dump valve so that it can be shut down completely, dave thompson and bob howell made the same mod for Inspiration I believe. The exercise was repeated with defective ADV and the fault was found to be caused by the "lollipop" rising up and the edge of the black disk getting caught on the screw that holds the diaphragm plates in place due to a distorted diaphragm. This is the old teflon seat ADV and has a black plastic disk on the end of the rod. The current valve has a glued in o ring that can be replaced when it starts to leak, also the black disk was deleted (I don't know when, older KISSes may still have teflon seat) and a new diaphragm assembly used that allows the ADV stem to be dropped in place without removing the diaphragm. If you DO have the teflon seat valve and it is still working you can substitute the new diaphragm assembly and just leave out the disk on the end of the rod. General consensus is that the fix deployed as detailed above is not appropriate as the collar addition to the exhaust valve is still working with a soft, thin seal and is not recommended as a solid shutoff valve, although it WILL still vent on overpressure. Regards AnneMarie __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 03:50	#28 (permalink)
buggeriamold Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: australia Posts: 100	Thanks, Was just concerned I had missed something as my unit is number 57, but it has the newer adv as per your description above. Who ever said that there was nothing to be learned in a dir discussion! Mark
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2nd May 2005, 03:54	#29 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Haha, so you've got the DIR ADV you can be in the club LOL My unit was only about a dozen or so ahead of yours in production then!! It is beautifully machined is it not!! I am going to marry it __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 05:15	#30 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie) My unit was only about a dozen or so ahead of yours in production then! Actually your s/n is higher than Mark's (57) so your is newer. Mark, the old ADV issue that AM mentioned was discussed on the KISS Owner List just a week or so ago. Are you not on there ?
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