Stolen rebreathers?

Simon A · 27th May 2006, 22:45

I don't know if this idea has merit or not, so I'll open it up to the masses.
We as a rebreather comunity are very good at publicising stolen rebreathers and making them un-saleable, we are also good at publicising the fact that these are life support equipment and are liable to kill you if used without training.
However this may well lead to potentialy dangerous equipment being dumped. Is there any merit in setting up some way that anyone who knows the location of a stolen rebreather can report it anonymously?

Simon A

Jordan · 27th May 2006, 23:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Simon A)

I don't know if this idea has merit or not, so I'll open it up to the masses.
We as a rebreather comunity are very good at publicising stolen rebreathers and making them un-saleable, we are also good at publicising the fact that these are life support equipment and are liable to kill you if used without training.
However this may well lead to potentialy dangerous equipment being dumped. Is there any merit in setting up some way that anyone who knows the location of a stolen rebreather can report it anonymously?

Simon A

I like the idea. I will do my part by taking care of all of the sketchy looking people around my neighborhood. Seriously though, I would help you put something together. I don't know if we could do anything to stop them from getting stolen period b'c I would assume the scumbag capable of doing such things would oftentimes not know what they are stealing.

Cheers

Cheers

RebreatherDave · 27th May 2006, 23:58

Lagos, Nigeria.

Attention: Rebreather Owners

Dear Sirs,

Confidential Business Proposal

Having Consulted With My Colleagues And Based On The Information Gathered From The Nigerian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I Have The Privilege To Request For Your Assistance To Establish A Stolen Rebreather Registry. If You Are Willing To Entrust Such, I Am Prepared To Transfer The Sum Of $47,500,000.00 (forty Seven Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) Into Your Accounts. The Above Sum Resulted From An Over-invoiced Contract, Executed Commissioned And Paid For About Five Years (5) Ago By A Foreign Contractor. This Action Was However Intentional And Since Then The Fund Has Been In A Suspense Account At The Central Bank Of Nigeria Apex Bank.

We Are Now Ready To Transfer The Fund Overseas And That Is Where You All Come In. It Is Important To Inform You That As Civil Servants, We Are Forbidden To Operate A Foreign Account; That Is Why We Require Your Assistance. The Total Sum Will Be Shared As Follows: 70% For Us, 25% For You And 5% For Local And International Expenses Incident To The Transfer.

The Transfer Is Risk Free On Both Sides. I Am An Accountant With The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (nnpc). If You Find This Proposal Acceptable, We Shall Require The Following Documents:

(a) Your Banker's Name, Telephone, Account And Fax Numbers.

(b) Your Private Telephone And Fax Numbers -- For Confidentiality And Easy Communication.

(c) Your Letter-headed Paper Stamped And Signed.

Alternatively We Will Furnish You With The Text Of What To Type Into Your Letter-headed Paper, Along With A Breakdown Explaining, Comprehensively What We Require Of You. The Business Will Take Us Thirty (30) Working Days To Accomplish.

Please Reply Urgently.

Best Regards

Mboto Gnubwebwe Oomchakalaka

Chris · 28th May 2006, 04:53

:h aha:
Ohh that just cracks me up !!

Have some green

Cheers
Chriso

iani · 28th May 2006, 09:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave)

Lagos, Nigeria.

Attention: Rebreather Owners

Dear Sirs,

Confidential Business Proposal

Having Consulted With My Colleagues And Based On The Information Gathered From The Nigerian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I Have The Privilege To Request For Your Assistance To Establish A Stolen Rebreather Registry. If You Are Willing To Entrust Such, I Am Prepared To Transfer The Sum Of $47,500,000.00 (forty Seven Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) Into Your Accounts. The Above Sum Resulted From An Over-invoiced Contract, Executed Commissioned And Paid For About Five Years (5) Ago By A Foreign Contractor. This Action Was However Intentional And Since Then The Fund Has Been In A Suspense Account At The Central Bank Of Nigeria Apex Bank.

We Are Now Ready To Transfer The Fund Overseas And That Is Where You All Come In. It Is Important To Inform You That As Civil Servants, We Are Forbidden To Operate A Foreign Account; That Is Why We Require Your Assistance. The Total Sum Will Be Shared As Follows: 70% For Us, 25% For You And 5% For Local And International Expenses Incident To The Transfer.

The Transfer Is Risk Free On Both Sides. I Am An Accountant With The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (nnpc). If You Find This Proposal Acceptable, We Shall Require The Following Documents:

(a) Your Banker's Name, Telephone, Account And Fax Numbers.

(b) Your Private Telephone And Fax Numbers -- For Confidentiality And Easy Communication.

(c) Your Letter-headed Paper Stamped And Signed.

Alternatively We Will Furnish You With The Text Of What To Type Into Your Letter-headed Paper, Along With A Breakdown Explaining, Comprehensively What We Require Of You. The Business Will Take Us Thirty (30) Working Days To Accomplish.

Please Reply Urgently.

Best Regards

Mboto Gnubwebwe Oomchakalaka

So, Simon tries to make helpful suggestion but you think it's some kind of joke? I hope if your rebreather ever gets pinched that you find it equally funny.

Ian

denzel · 28th May 2006, 10:37

Iani,

Just chill mate.
Simons idea is good, although i doubt it's gonna work.
The baddies stealing, are not gonna put any effort into getting it back, increasing the risk of getting caught. Dumping is easier and there's always someone in a dodgy pub who'll give you 100 bucks for that funny looking thing with 2 hoses somehow powered by batteries.

In short, for giving it back you need a person who cares, and those ****s don't.

As a small example: I used to drive a 4 yr old ford fiesta and it had a crappy old radio. A radio that cost new about 30 bucks, and was about 15 yrs old with a resale value at that moment of about $3.00
In the attemtp to get it the guy girl damaged my car for 2300 bucks.
Do you really think that low life scum like that would put any effort into getting it back to the owner if it turned out to be un-sale-able?

The idea is good tho, and any effort that can be made to re-unite stolen goods wih their owners should be made.
I reckon a world wide database with serial numbers and discribtions would be nice, divided in different sections. Say for regs, breathers, computers basicly anything with a serial number. You see a 2nd hand APEKS ATX200 for sale, anywhere, note the number, surf to www.stolendivegear.... go to regs, go to apeks, fill in the number and type and it'll say if it's registered as stolen and thru the site you can send the original owner an email.... And give the link a prominent place on every dive related internet site.

I don't think waiting for the goodness of baddies will work....

denz.

iani · 28th May 2006, 14:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel)

Iani,

Just chill mate.
Simons idea is good, although i doubt it's gonna work.
<snip>

I don't think waiting for the goodness of baddies will work....

denz.

Denz, I dont know you therefore you're not my "mate". Digger (on this board and others) had an AL80 stolen last year, thanks to making a noise about it and publishing the serial number it was mysteriously left in the shop at the site it was stolen from, therefore good things can and do happen.

Ian

RebreatherDave · 28th May 2006, 16:03

Ian,

It was all meant for those who are not humor impaired.

When someone got his Boris stolen, I used a program I have that automatically looks for all words associated with it on E-Bay auctions, and I have been militant about posting scam rebreather auctions and alerting E-Bay, then going about on the boardds finding the owners of the photos and contacting the bidders to warn them. I even found Ed Bett's stolen UT-240 on E-bay and alerted him.

One of the things I like about our small family is everyone looks out for eachother, regardless of model owned, and the thread topic starter is a perfect example.

I know you wish you had known all of my activities related to stolen CCR's before you posted your reponse to my humor, but don't sweat it.

Padowan · 28th May 2006, 17:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave)

<snip>
When someone got his Boris stolen,
<snip>

That "someone" WAS Iani......

Skipbreather · 28th May 2006, 19:54

All joking aside, this does bring up a tangent question worth discussing. I claim near total ignorance of how hard this would be but:

Would it be possible for a page/ section to be added to this site where members could post pertinent info re stolen rebreathers? One VERY useful function might be to have a viewable database of serial numbers of units that have “gone missing”. It would make quick work for someone wondering if the used rig they are considering for purchase has questionable parentage.

An expanded section could give more details such as location & date of theft and a detailed description of rig, i.e. the subtle differences from other rigs of same make & model. Anyone could post, but only administrators could remove.

This sort of info seems to currently be posted hit or miss in various threads. Idea is to put it all in one easily checked spot with serial numbers prominent.

Thoughts?

27th May 2006, 22:45	#1 (permalink)
Simon A Escapee from DIY Rebreather's Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 280	Stolen rebreathers? I don't know if this idea has merit or not, so I'll open it up to the masses. We as a rebreather comunity are very good at publicising stolen rebreathers and making them un-saleable, we are also good at publicising the fact that these are life support equipment and are liable to kill you if used without training. However this may well lead to potentialy dangerous equipment being dumped. Is there any merit in setting up some way that anyone who knows the location of a stolen rebreather can report it anonymously? Simon A
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27th May 2006, 23:32	#2 (permalink)
Jordan Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Florida Posts: 219	Re: Stolen rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by Simon A) I don't know if this idea has merit or not, so I'll open it up to the masses. We as a rebreather comunity are very good at publicising stolen rebreathers and making them un-saleable, we are also good at publicising the fact that these are life support equipment and are liable to kill you if used without training. However this may well lead to potentialy dangerous equipment being dumped. Is there any merit in setting up some way that anyone who knows the location of a stolen rebreather can report it anonymously? Simon A I like the idea. I will do my part by taking care of all of the sketchy looking people around my neighborhood. Seriously though, I would help you put something together. I don't know if we could do anything to stop them from getting stolen period b'c I would assume the scumbag capable of doing such things would oftentimes not know what they are stealing. Cheers Cheers __________________ Is it clear? No. Well, let's go anyways. "Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither." Thomas Jefferson
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27th May 2006, 23:58	#3 (permalink)
RebreatherDave Maximum **** Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s:** Join Date: May 2005 Location: L.A., where the debris meets the sea Posts: 227	Anonymous stolen rebreather business propasal Lagos, Nigeria. Attention: Rebreather Owners Dear Sirs, Confidential Business Proposal Having Consulted With My Colleagues And Based On The Information Gathered From The Nigerian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I Have The Privilege To Request For Your Assistance To Establish A Stolen Rebreather Registry. If You Are Willing To Entrust Such, I Am Prepared To Transfer The Sum Of $47,500,000.00 (forty Seven Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) Into Your Accounts. The Above Sum Resulted From An Over-invoiced Contract, Executed Commissioned And Paid For About Five Years (5) Ago By A Foreign Contractor. This Action Was However Intentional And Since Then The Fund Has Been In A Suspense Account At The Central Bank Of Nigeria Apex Bank. We Are Now Ready To Transfer The Fund Overseas And That Is Where You All Come In. It Is Important To Inform You That As Civil Servants, We Are Forbidden To Operate A Foreign Account; That Is Why We Require Your Assistance. The Total Sum Will Be Shared As Follows: 70% For Us, 25% For You And 5% For Local And International Expenses Incident To The Transfer. The Transfer Is Risk Free On Both Sides. I Am An Accountant With The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (nnpc). If You Find This Proposal Acceptable, We Shall Require The Following Documents: (a) Your Banker's Name, Telephone, Account And Fax Numbers. (b) Your Private Telephone And Fax Numbers -- For Confidentiality And Easy Communication. (c) Your Letter-headed Paper Stamped And Signed. Alternatively We Will Furnish You With The Text Of What To Type Into Your Letter-headed Paper, Along With A Breakdown Explaining, Comprehensively What We Require Of You. The Business Will Take Us Thirty (30) Working Days To Accomplish. Please Reply Urgently. Best Regards Mboto Gnubwebwe Oomchakalaka
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28th May 2006, 04:53	#4 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 599	Re: Anonymous stolen rebreather business propasal :h aha: Ohh that just cracks me up !! Have some green Cheers Chriso __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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28th May 2006, 09:33	#5 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Anonymous stolen rebreather business propasal Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave) Lagos, Nigeria. Attention: Rebreather Owners Dear Sirs, Confidential Business Proposal Having Consulted With My Colleagues And Based On The Information Gathered From The Nigerian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I Have The Privilege To Request For Your Assistance To Establish A Stolen Rebreather Registry. If You Are Willing To Entrust Such, I Am Prepared To Transfer The Sum Of $47,500,000.00 (forty Seven Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) Into Your Accounts. The Above Sum Resulted From An Over-invoiced Contract, Executed Commissioned And Paid For About Five Years (5) Ago By A Foreign Contractor. This Action Was However Intentional And Since Then The Fund Has Been In A Suspense Account At The Central Bank Of Nigeria Apex Bank. We Are Now Ready To Transfer The Fund Overseas And That Is Where You All Come In. It Is Important To Inform You That As Civil Servants, We Are Forbidden To Operate A Foreign Account; That Is Why We Require Your Assistance. The Total Sum Will Be Shared As Follows: 70% For Us, 25% For You And 5% For Local And International Expenses Incident To The Transfer. The Transfer Is Risk Free On Both Sides. I Am An Accountant With The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (nnpc). If You Find This Proposal Acceptable, We Shall Require The Following Documents: (a) Your Banker's Name, Telephone, Account And Fax Numbers. (b) Your Private Telephone And Fax Numbers -- For Confidentiality And Easy Communication. (c) Your Letter-headed Paper Stamped And Signed. Alternatively We Will Furnish You With The Text Of What To Type Into Your Letter-headed Paper, Along With A Breakdown Explaining, Comprehensively What We Require Of You. The Business Will Take Us Thirty (30) Working Days To Accomplish. Please Reply Urgently. Best Regards Mboto Gnubwebwe Oomchakalaka So, Simon tries to make helpful suggestion but you think it's some kind of joke? I hope if your rebreather ever gets pinched that you find it equally funny. Ian
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28th May 2006, 10:37	#6 (permalink)
denzel Holiday diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth! Posts: 358	Re: Stolen rebreathers? Iani, Just chill mate. Simons idea is good, although i doubt it's gonna work. The baddies stealing, are not gonna put any effort into getting it back, increasing the risk of getting caught. Dumping is easier and there's always someone in a dodgy pub who'll give you 100 bucks for that funny looking thing with 2 hoses somehow powered by batteries. In short, for giving it back you need a person who cares, and those **s don't. As a small example: I used to drive a 4 yr old ford fiesta and it had a crappy old radio. A radio that cost new about 30 bucks, and was about 15 yrs old with a resale value at that moment of about $3.00 In the attemtp to get it the guy girl damaged my car for 2300 bucks. Do you really think that low life scum like that would put any effort into getting it back to the owner if it turned out to be un-sale-able? The idea is good tho, and any effort that can be made to re-unite stolen goods wih their owners should be made. I reckon a world wide database with serial numbers and discribtions would be nice, divided in different sections. Say for regs, breathers, computers basicly anything with a serial number. You see a 2nd hand APEKS ATX200 for sale, anywhere, note the number, surf to www.stolendivegear.... go to regs, go to apeks, fill in the number and type and it'll say if it's registered as stolen and thru the site you can send the original owner an email.... And give the link a prominent place on every dive related internet site. I don't think waiting for the goodness of baddies will work.... denz. __________________ My deepest so far, 558.50 mtr, my rig a LF90D...**
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28th May 2006, 14:51	#7 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Stolen rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel) Iani, Just chill mate. Simons idea is good, although i doubt it's gonna work. <snip> I don't think waiting for the goodness of baddies will work.... denz. Denz, I dont know you therefore you're not my "mate". Digger (on this board and others) had an AL80 stolen last year, thanks to making a noise about it and publishing the serial number it was mysteriously left in the shop at the site it was stolen from, therefore good things can and do happen. Ian
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28th May 2006, 16:03	#8 (permalink)
RebreatherDave Maximum **** Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s:** Join Date: May 2005 Location: L.A., where the debris meets the sea Posts: 227	Re: Stolen rebreathers? Ian, It was all meant for those who are not humor impaired. When someone got his Boris stolen, I used a program I have that automatically looks for all words associated with it on E-Bay auctions, and I have been militant about posting scam rebreather auctions and alerting E-Bay, then going about on the boardds finding the owners of the photos and contacting the bidders to warn them. I even found Ed Bett's stolen UT-240 on E-bay and alerted him. One of the things I like about our small family is everyone looks out for eachother, regardless of model owned, and the thread topic starter is a perfect example. I know you wish you had known all of my activities related to stolen CCR's before you posted your reponse to my humor, but don't sweat it.
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28th May 2006, 17:13	#9 (permalink)
Padowan Proper Boffin Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kent, UK. Posts: 501	Re: Stolen rebreathers? Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave) <snip> When someone got his Boris stolen, <snip> That "someone" WAS Iani...... __________________ Padowan The future's bright, the future's Yellow .....for now padowan.net - Latest Video: Scapa Flow Rebreather Diving
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28th May 2006, 19:54	#10 (permalink)
Skipbreather WAY past the barber pole Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, Illinois, USA Posts: 524	Re: Stolen rebreathers? All joking aside, this does bring up a tangent question worth discussing. I claim near total ignorance of how hard this would be but: Would it be possible for a page/ section to be added to this site where members could post pertinent info re stolen rebreathers? One VERY useful function might be to have a viewable database of serial numbers of units that have “gone missing”. It would make quick work for someone wondering if the used rig they are considering for purchase has questionable parentage. An expanded section could give more details such as location & date of theft and a detailed description of rig, i.e. the subtle differences from other rigs of same make & model. Anyone could post, but only administrators could remove. This sort of info seems to currently be posted hit or miss in various threads. Idea is to put it all in one easily checked spot with serial numbers prominent. Thoughts?
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