Buddy Clean? or different cleaning solution.

jhaaja · 28th April 2005, 06:04

So why you should not use Buddy Clean?

You got me interested.

JH
Finland

***jradomski*** · 28th April 2005, 08:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

So why you should not use Buddy Clean?

You got me interested.

JH
Finland

its terrible as a disenfectant.. There was a report done by the canadian defense force, evaluating lots of cleaners.. BC was on the not recommended list.... BC is basically Trigene I, which doesn't have a high kill rate to start with.. put on top of that its recommended to be done with a 2% solution (1% for incedental contact)... How much buddy clean do you think you need to get a 2% solution??

Virkon S was the recommended cleaner.. I have been using Virkin S for several years myself.. SDS in the US got the manufacturer to sell batches certified for human use.. They sell it under the name Be-clean...

Virkon S is an agriculture cleaner which has the highest kill rate of anything around and its not harmful to us..

Do a search on "virkon s" and youll find all you need to know.. BTW listerine, betadyne, saniside and lot more were not recommended.. Trigen II was approved conditionally because it needed more human testing but didn;t have as high a kill rate as Virkoon s.. SDS has a link on their site to the report... I have been recommending it to my students probably about 3 years now..

Using buddy clean at the solutions most people use it (a few squirts and lots of water) has virtually no more germ killing ability than plain old water..

Plus Virkon S in industrial form is cheap.. The "human" approved version costs about 3 times as much (dpends on where you get it and how its packed)..

I put a 10lb pail 3 years ago for $55us and I still most of it left.. it takes 1.3oz to 1 gallon (the uk web site tells you it in liters/grams) I dont remember off hand, to make the recommended solution..

Thats 160 oz per 10 lbs or about 123 Gallons of full strength solution..

jhaaja · 28th April 2005, 08:28

Thanks for the info Joe. I have read the canadian report which was a paper study with no real test. The Virkon seems to be a good product and I actually ordered 5x 10gram packs of it yesterday.

What is the way you disinfect your RBs?

Is it OK to do a mild Virkon wash after every dive session and maybe more thorough one with higher concentration (1% or 2%) once a month?

JH
Finland

***Beanie*** · 28th April 2005, 09:54

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***EBT*** · 28th April 2005, 10:22

Anyone using buddy clean wants shooting anyway. Its diluted trigene, which you can get from vetinary suppliers, neat for a 1/10th of the cost.

Jason Blackwell · 28th April 2005, 11:53

I have been using Virkon Tables, much easier to mix up than the powder!

**nigelh** · 28th April 2005, 13:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel)

Anyone using buddy clean wants shooting anyway. Its diluted trigene, which you can get from vetinary suppliers, neat for a 1/10th of the cost.

Amnd then you mix it 10:1 and squirt it into everything when damp not a little into something that is already flooded. You do need more concentration than BC offers.

cedricverdier · 28th April 2005, 13:52

Virkon S is not only a very efficient disinfectant, it's also very convenient for travelling.

You can get it in tablets or small powder packs (it's orange, so no risk to have problems at the airport with the customs...). Looks like Orange powder drinks (Tang or whatever it's called where you live)

......

So very light and handy to pack in your luggage.

As soon as it's diluted, it's still efficient for one week and you can clean your counterlungs and hoses several times.

Cheers

***jradomski*** · 28th April 2005, 20:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by cedricverdier)

Virkon S is not only a very efficient disinfectant, it's also very convenient for travelling.

You can get it in tablets or small powder packs (it's orange, so no risk to have problems at the airport with the customs...). Looks like Orange powder drinks (Tang or whatever it's called where you live)

......

So very light and handy to pack in your luggage.

As soon as it's diluted, it's still efficient for one week and you can clean your counterlungs and hoses several times.

Cheers

exactly I make Up a batch of it.. (I get a few soda bottles at my destination)
rinse the unit (lungs hoses ect) with it and recover the liquid... then rinse thoroughly with water... on the last day I do a ful 10 minute soak, and rinse and its readyfor storage..

It also has a nice smell

***jradomski*** · 28th April 2005, 20:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

Thanks for the info Joe. I have read the canadian report which was a paper study with no real test. The Virkon seems to be a good product and I actually ordered 5x 10gram packs of it yesterday.

What is the way you disinfect your RBs?

Is it OK to do a mild Virkon wash after every dive session and maybe more thorough one with higher concentration (1% or 2%) once a month?

JH
Finland

yes they used manufacturers studies (which are very controlled) for these type chemicals.. the only real "test" they did was to expose the test pilots to high concentrations of the cleaner to see if they were effected... (dont you love the military!)

see my previous post and that of others.. virkon remins effective for a week afeter it has been made up.

no reason not to do a 1% rinse.. they do state for precautionary cleaning a 0.5% solution (in some of the literature) is acceptable..

Either way its still much more effectibe than BC.

28th April 2005, 06:04	#1 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	So why you should not use Buddy Clean? You got me interested. JH Finland
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28th April 2005, 08:15	#2 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,898	Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) So why you should not use Buddy Clean? You got me interested. JH Finland its terrible as a disenfectant.. There was a report done by the canadian defense force, evaluating lots of cleaners.. BC was on the not recommended list.... BC is basically Trigene I, which doesn't have a high kill rate to start with.. put on top of that its recommended to be done with a 2% solution (1% for incedental contact)... How much buddy clean do you think you need to get a 2% solution?? Virkon S was the recommended cleaner.. I have been using Virkin S for several years myself.. SDS in the US got the manufacturer to sell batches certified for human use.. They sell it under the name Be-clean... Virkon S is an agriculture cleaner which has the highest kill rate of anything around and its not harmful to us.. Do a search on "virkon s" and youll find all you need to know.. BTW listerine, betadyne, saniside and lot more were not recommended.. Trigen II was approved conditionally because it needed more human testing but didn;t have as high a kill rate as Virkoon s.. SDS has a link on their site to the report... I have been recommending it to my students probably about 3 years now.. Using buddy clean at the solutions most people use it (a few squirts and lots of water) has virtually no more germ killing ability than plain old water.. Plus Virkon S in industrial form is cheap.. The "human" approved version costs about 3 times as much (dpends on where you get it and how its packed).. I put a 10lb pail 3 years ago for $55us and I still most of it left.. it takes 1.3oz to 1 gallon (the uk web site tells you it in liters/grams) I dont remember off hand, to make the recommended solution.. Thats 160 oz per 10 lbs or about 123 Gallons of full strength solution.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	Thanks for the info Joe. I have read the canadian report which was a paper study with no real test. The Virkon seems to be a good product and I actually ordered 5x 10gram packs of it yesterday. What is the way you disinfect your RBs? Is it OK to do a mild Virkon wash after every dive session and maybe more thorough one with higher concentration (1% or 2%) once a month? JH Finland
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nigelh New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 824	Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel) Anyone using buddy clean wants shooting anyway. Its diluted trigene, which you can get from vetinary suppliers, neat for a 1/10th of the cost. Amnd then you mix it 10:1 and squirt it into everything when damp not a little into something that is already flooded. You do need more concentration than BC offers. __________________ nigelh
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28th April 2005, 20:40	#9 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,898	Quote: (Originally Posted by cedricverdier) Virkon S is not only a very efficient disinfectant, it's also very convenient for travelling. You can get it in tablets or small powder packs (it's orange, so no risk to have problems at the airport with the customs...). Looks like Orange powder drinks (Tang or whatever it's called where you live) ...... So very light and handy to pack in your luggage. As soon as it's diluted, it's still efficient for one week and you can clean your counterlungs and hoses several times. Cheers exactly I make Up a batch of it.. (I get a few soda bottles at my destination) rinse the unit (lungs hoses ect) with it and recover the liquid... then rinse thoroughly with water... on the last day I do a ful 10 minute soak, and rinse and its readyfor storage.. It also has a nice smell __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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28th April 2005, 20:42	#10 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,898	Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) Thanks for the info Joe. I have read the canadian report which was a paper study with no real test. The Virkon seems to be a good product and I actually ordered 5x 10gram packs of it yesterday. What is the way you disinfect your RBs? Is it OK to do a mild Virkon wash after every dive session and maybe more thorough one with higher concentration (1% or 2%) once a month? JH Finland yes they used manufacturers studies (which are very controlled) for these type chemicals.. the only real "test" they did was to expose the test pilots to high concentrations of the cleaner to see if they were effected... (dont you love the military!) see my previous post and that of others.. virkon remins effective for a week afeter it has been made up. no reason not to do a 1% rinse.. they do state for precautionary cleaning a 0.5% solution (in some of the literature) is acceptable.. Either way its still much more effectibe than BC. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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