Buddy Clean? or different cleaning solution.

Bill Pringle · 28th April 2005, 23:39

Hi All,

Have you tried Betadyne, An over the counter medical anti bacterial/microbial scrub, the same stuff used in hospitals as a wound or pre-surgery prep.
We use it exclusivly for the breathing loop (Hose assembly & Bags). the rest of the rig warm water.
10 to 1 consentration with warm tap water, after dive.
The stuff is pretty inexpensive about ($8 for 8oz) good for 5 or 6 cleaning sessions & availible in drug stores & larger super markets.

***jradomski*** · 28th April 2005, 23:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Bill Pringle)

Hi All,

Have you tried Betadyne, An over the counter medical anti bacterial/microbial scrub, the same stuff used in hospitals as a wound or pre-surgery prep.
We use it exclusivly for the breathing loop (Hose assembly & Bags). the rest of the rig warm water.
10 to 1 consentration with warm tap water, after dive.
The stuff is pretty inexpensive about ($8 for 8oz) good for 5 or 6 cleaning sessions & availible in drug stores & larger super markets.

Bettadyne is not a good choice for severa reasons..
1 - it typically discolors many plastics and materials..
2 - if there is ANY residue left and the diver inhales this its not good.. If you don;t care about #1, andyou can guarantee no residue (this requires alot of flushing) its an ok choice.. It still does not have a kill spectrumof manyof the others..

Wound cleaning is one think a breathing loop is a whole different story...

Betadyne was rejected in the studyI pointed to mainly because the potential for diver reaction.. Some people react VIOLENTLY to betadyne...

Robert Cook · 29th April 2005, 02:14

Virkon S for me - I'm using powder at the moment, but when that's gone, I'll probably switch to tablets,

Thanks,
Robert

TonyD · 29th April 2005, 04:31

I have been doing some investigation here in Australia re Virkon & Virkon S. It seems they are basically the same product, but Virkon is manufactured under far more stringent criteria, and thus is certified OK for human consumption. Virkon S on the other hand, whilst similar, is manufactured with NO SUCH QC PARAMETERS, and here in Australia, the T.G.A. ( Therapeutic Goods Association ) will go nuts if they believe Virkon S is being used in a human consumption situation.

Virkon Tablets are now freely available here in Australia as of today - Through your local CCR Dealer via the newly appointed sole agent, Aqua Tech Australia.
They are sold in a jar of 10 x 5 gm tablets for AUD$20

Regards

Tony Davis

Jason Blackwell · 29th April 2005, 05:09

Thanks Tony,

the tables have been hard to get here in Oz, unless you knew someone in the Ambulance service etc

oh, and Welcome to Rebreather World!

onetime · 29th April 2005, 11:58

FWIW I've been using Sanizide. I know the test spoken of earlier doesn't rank it the best but it seems to be working pretty well for me.

silentdiver · 29th April 2005, 14:42

I was on a trip in the Galapagos back in the fall of 2003 and witnessed a very "Unlucky" ccr diver getting basted in Buddy Clean.

Our group was at the airport and we all had to shift some items to balance luggage weight. A bottle of Buddy Clean was packed inside unluckies wetsuit. In transit 100% leaked out and soaked into the plush suit lining.

Although it was rinsed before the dive unlucky ended up with a nasty chemical burn on his back, neck, and torso. What can we learn from this story. Find something that is a powder and is not damaging to the diver.

Answer is Virkon packaged as "Be"-KLEEN for the watersports market not Virkon S. Virkon is completely approved by the EPA & the FDA. Virkon S although a similiar product it is not approved for human use or tested against human illnesses.

Visit the following link for a great third party testing of disinfectants for human contact.
http://www.silentdiving.com/beKLEEN.htm at the bottom of this page click the link to the Canadian Government Testing Report

Knowledge is power.

Jason Blackwell · 29th April 2005, 21:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by silentdiver)

I was on a trip in the Galapagos back in the fall of 2003 and witnessed a very "Unlucky" ccr diver getting basted in Buddy Clean.

Our group was at the airport and we all had to shift some items to balance luggage weight. A bottle of Buddy Clean was packed inside unluckies wetsuit. In transit 100% leaked out and soaked into the plush suit lining.

Although it was rinsed before the dive unlucky ended up with a nasty chemical burn on his back, neck, and torso. What can we learn from this story. Find something that is a powder and is not damaging to the diver.

Answer is Virkon packaged as "Be"-KLEEN for the watersports market not Virkon S. Virkon is completely approved by the EPA & the FDA. Virkon S although a similiar product it is not approved for human use or tested against human illnesses.

Visit the following link for a great third party testing of disinfectants for human contact.
http://www.silentdiving.com/beKLEEN.htm at the bottom of this page click the link to the Canadian Government Testing Report

Knowledge is power.

Hi Cliff,

and welcome to Rebreather World!!!!

ccr_ada · 29th April 2005, 22:24

I've had my ccr for ages i never bother cleaning my ccr
well sometimes wash it out with tap water that's it
i must have good bugs

in me or its the whisky that kills them

AM · 30th April 2005, 01:29

Similar to Ada I don't clean mine very often and when I do I use window cleaner, the loop tastes clean after it LOL

I once came back from a trip and left the rebreather in the garden for a week while I got on a plane to go to work, when I came back, I took the lungs into APD factory to have more buttons fitted and the technician was nearly sick as he said he cleaned the lungs and there were bugs and spiders in there!

A nice bit of protein keeps you going on those long hangs

28th April 2005, 23:39	#11 (permalink)
Bill Pringle New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ventura Ca Posts: 15	Hi All, Have you tried Betadyne, An over the counter medical anti bacterial/microbial scrub, the same stuff used in hospitals as a wound or pre-surgery prep. We use it exclusivly for the breathing loop (Hose assembly & Bags). the rest of the rig warm water. 10 to 1 consentration with warm tap water, after dive. The stuff is pretty inexpensive about ($8 for 8oz) good for 5 or 6 cleaning sessions & availible in drug stores & larger super markets.
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28th April 2005, 23:50	#12 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,023	Quote: (Originally Posted by Bill Pringle) Hi All, Have you tried Betadyne, An over the counter medical anti bacterial/microbial scrub, the same stuff used in hospitals as a wound or pre-surgery prep. We use it exclusivly for the breathing loop (Hose assembly & Bags). the rest of the rig warm water. 10 to 1 consentration with warm tap water, after dive. The stuff is pretty inexpensive about ($8 for 8oz) good for 5 or 6 cleaning sessions & availible in drug stores & larger super markets. Bettadyne is not a good choice for severa reasons.. 1 - it typically discolors many plastics and materials.. 2 - if there is ANY residue left and the diver inhales this its not good.. If you don;t care about #1, andyou can guarantee no residue (this requires alot of flushing) its an ok choice.. It still does not have a kill spectrumof manyof the others.. Wound cleaning is one think a breathing loop is a whole different story... Betadyne was rejected in the studyI pointed to mainly because the potential for diver reaction.. Some people react VIOLENTLY to betadyne... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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29th April 2005, 02:14	#13 (permalink)
Robert Cook Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 107	Virkon S for me - I'm using powder at the moment, but when that's gone, I'll probably switch to tablets, Thanks, Robert
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29th April 2005, 04:31	#14 (permalink)
TonyD New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2	I have been doing some investigation here in Australia re Virkon & Virkon S. It seems they are basically the same product, but Virkon is manufactured under far more stringent criteria, and thus is certified OK for human consumption. Virkon S on the other hand, whilst similar, is manufactured with NO SUCH QC PARAMETERS, and here in Australia, the T.G.A. ( Therapeutic Goods Association ) will go nuts if they believe Virkon S is being used in a human consumption situation. Virkon Tablets are now freely available here in Australia as of today - Through your local CCR Dealer via the newly appointed sole agent, Aqua Tech Australia. They are sold in a jar of 10 x 5 gm tablets for AUD$20 Regards Tony Davis
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29th April 2005, 05:09	#15 (permalink)
Jason Blackwell Bloody Rebreathers! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Posts: 361	Thanks Tony, the tables have been hard to get here in Oz, unless you knew someone in the Ambulance service etc oh, and Welcome to Rebreather World! __________________ Jason Blackwell TDI Instructor Trainer #1358 Optima...Inspiration/Evolution...KISS...and what is next??? www.divedivedive.com.au OZTeK '09 March 2009 Sydney, Australia www.diveoztek.com.au
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29th April 2005, 11:58	#16 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 674	FWIW I've been using Sanizide. I know the test spoken of earlier doesn't rank it the best but it seems to be working pretty well for me.
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29th April 2005, 14:42	#17 (permalink)
silentdiver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA, New Hampshire Posts: 1	To "Be"-KLEEN or "Be"???? I was on a trip in the Galapagos back in the fall of 2003 and witnessed a very "Unlucky" ccr diver getting basted in Buddy Clean. Our group was at the airport and we all had to shift some items to balance luggage weight. A bottle of Buddy Clean was packed inside unluckies wetsuit. In transit 100% leaked out and soaked into the plush suit lining. Although it was rinsed before the dive unlucky ended up with a nasty chemical burn on his back, neck, and torso. What can we learn from this story. Find something that is a powder and is not damaging to the diver. Answer is Virkon packaged as "Be"-KLEEN for the watersports market not Virkon S. Virkon is completely approved by the EPA & the FDA. Virkon S although a similiar product it is not approved for human use or tested against human illnesses. Visit the following link for a great third party testing of disinfectants for human contact. http://www.silentdiving.com/beKLEEN.htm at the bottom of this page click the link to the Canadian Government Testing Report Knowledge is power.
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29th April 2005, 21:51	#18 (permalink)
Jason Blackwell Bloody Rebreathers! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Posts: 361	Quote: (Originally Posted by silentdiver) I was on a trip in the Galapagos back in the fall of 2003 and witnessed a very "Unlucky" ccr diver getting basted in Buddy Clean. Our group was at the airport and we all had to shift some items to balance luggage weight. A bottle of Buddy Clean was packed inside unluckies wetsuit. In transit 100% leaked out and soaked into the plush suit lining. Although it was rinsed before the dive unlucky ended up with a nasty chemical burn on his back, neck, and torso. What can we learn from this story. Find something that is a powder and is not damaging to the diver. Answer is Virkon packaged as "Be"-KLEEN for the watersports market not Virkon S. Virkon is completely approved by the EPA & the FDA. Virkon S although a similiar product it is not approved for human use or tested against human illnesses. Visit the following link for a great third party testing of disinfectants for human contact. http://www.silentdiving.com/beKLEEN.htm at the bottom of this page click the link to the Canadian Government Testing Report Knowledge is power. Hi Cliff, and welcome to Rebreather World!!!! __________________ Jason Blackwell TDI Instructor Trainer #1358 Optima...Inspiration/Evolution...KISS...and what is next??? www.divedivedive.com.au OZTeK '09 March 2009 Sydney, Australia www.diveoztek.com.au
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29th April 2005, 22:24	#19 (permalink)
ccr_ada 07971475781 Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: uk sorry G.B. Posts: 222	I've had my ccr for ages i never bother cleaning my ccr well sometimes wash it out with tap water that's it i must have good bugs in me or its the whisky that kills them
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30th April 2005, 01:29	#20 (permalink)
AM In love with the big blue Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 643	Similar to Ada I don't clean mine very often and when I do I use window cleaner, the loop tastes clean after it LOL I once came back from a trip and left the rebreather in the garden for a week while I got on a plane to go to work, when I came back, I took the lungs into APD factory to have more buttons fitted and the technician was nearly sick as he said he cleaned the lungs and there were bugs and spiders in there! A nice bit of protein keeps you going on those long hangs __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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