Radial For Meg

Micko · 21st April 2006, 22:23

Hey list.
Has anyone got an update on the status or release time of the radial Scrub for the Meg?

**Steve** · 22nd April 2006, 02:37

No date has been set yet. I calibrated your Meg today Mick

Skipbreather · 22nd April 2006, 03:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Micko)

Hey list.
Has anyone got an update on the status or release time of the radial Scrub for the Meg?

Folks-

Have been working on homebuilt project for Meg radial scrubbers. Pix are of prototypes. Testing is currently in progress. When all is done, plan is (providing design works as calculated) to post article w/ full working drawings and material sources. All is 1000% speculation until I have REAL WORLD test numbers nailed down. Until then- as I’ve told folks in PMs- I just cannot ethically bring myself to post working drawings of stuff that I myself have not taken diving in open water. Dive season here is just getting underway.

Best to all,
Ken

Crazyduck · 22nd April 2006, 05:01

Interesting home project you have there boss.

What about the liner under the expanded metal?

How did you calcuate the percentage of holes compared to the overall surface area; or did you pick the material based on the hole size?

No springs to help with packing- or is it in the bottom and I need to go play in the corner?

Sorry its late and my mind is curious.
Please keep us informed- looks interesting.

All that shinny metal and you might have to add a kitchen aid logo.

Best Regards, andrew

Micko · 22nd April 2006, 05:17

now you do a nice job young fella

i know where you live

Having a nice time are you Tall boy?
Roll on May i say sick of bubles Steven.

silent running · 22nd April 2006, 05:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck)

All that shinny metal and you might have to add a kitchen aid logo.

Yes Boss, good times Boss. -Andy

P6017 · 22nd April 2006, 05:36

[quote=Skipbreather]Folks-

Have been working on homebuilt project for Meg radial scrubbers. Pix are of prototypes. Testing is currently in progress. When all is done, plan is (providing design works as calculated) to post article w/ full working drawings and material sources. All is 1000% speculation until I have REAL WORLD test numbers nailed down. Until then- as I’ve told folks in PMs- I just cannot ethically bring myself to post working drawings of stuff that I myself have not taken diving in open water. Dive season here is just getting underway.

Best to all,
Ken[/quot
Will this design have a membrane on it?

***jradomski*** · 22nd April 2006, 08:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck)

No springs to help with packing- or is it in the bottom and I need to go play in the corner?

Best Regards, andrew

Hi Andrew..

Although springs are nice, they really aren't necessary if the right technique is used.. The CIS or Prism scrubber doesnt have any springs either..

Having springs could potentitally have a down side as well if the proper precautions are not taken.. With a radial scrubber its really important to have the scrubber packed evenly and not have areas that have tighter packing..

The way this is normally accomplished on a CIS scrubber is to fill the scruber, a bit over the full line, tap it down, put the cap on then lay the scrubber on its side, tapping while rotating, the positioning it up talking off the top, adding sorb if necessary right to the top of the fill area making sure the top can be put back on without any additional pressure..

This way the scrubber should be packed quite evenly..
Its not a quick process.. You have to take your time.. I have packed CIS scrubbers and once you know howto do it its pretty easy..

I haven't packed a prism scrubber but was told by people who have packed both that its a little harder to pack than a cis since they say the "scrubber" itself is softer (the cis is quite rigid sound bouncing the scrubber on a solid surface can be used to speed things up), but my guess is it shouldn't be more than a few minutes longer to pack..

silent running · 22nd April 2006, 08:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

Although springs are nice, they really aren't necessary if the right technique is used.. The CIS scrubber doesnt have any springs either..

I havent packed a prsim scrubber but was told by people who have packed both that its a little harder to pack than a cis since they say the "scrubber" itself is softer, but my guess is it shouldnt be more than a few minutes longer to pack..

Hi Joe, just so everybody knows, there's no spring used in the Prism scrubber, for sorb compression anyway. Other than Boris, I don't think there's any other radial that does.
The spring on the Prism scrubber is used only to hold the full canister up against the sealing ring of the inlet hole. It also holds the scrubber above the water trap and helps to isolate the scrubber from any vibration in predive transit.
As for ease of packing, the Prism has a definite learning curve. I have found over time that holding the scrubber by the side in 1 hand and slapping it on the bottom with the other packs the tightest and fastest-less than 10 minutes. I never thought about laying it down and tapping-too afraid of getting unclean stuff on the sides-but I'm sure it works well.
Another thing about the Prism scrubber is that the lid is actually the bottom of the scrubber, so you turn it upside down when you put it in, which will further help the packing, thanks to gravity. -Andy

***jradomski*** · 22nd April 2006, 08:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Hi Joe, just so everybody knows, there's no spring used in the Prism scrubber, for sorb compression anyway. Other than Boris, I don't think there's any other radial that does.
The spring on the Prism scrubber is used only to hold the full canister up against the sealing ring of the inlet hole. It also holds the scrubber above the water trap and helps to isolate the scrubber from any vibration in predive transit.
As for ease of packing, the Prism has a definite learning curve. I have found over time that holding the scrubber by the side in 1 hand and slapping it on the bottom with the other packs the tightest and fastest-less than 10 minutes. I never thought about laying it down and tapping-too afraid of getting unclean stuff on the sides-but I'm sure it works well.
Another thing about the Prism scrubber is that the lid is actually the bottom of the scrubber, so you turn it upside down when you put it in, which will further help the packing, thanks to gravity. -Andy

You replied between edits.. I was editing it to CIS or PRISM scrubber..

Laying it down on the CIS is no big deal because it has that SS outer layer on the scrubber, and the rolling really insures an even fill...

The CIS scrubebr in a CIS and Meg, don't need a spring to hold the scrubber into place since the fitting in both cases is very tight with a heavy oring seal into the outlet (center tube)..

21st April 2006, 22:23	#1 (permalink)
Micko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: perth Posts: 114	Radial For Meg Hey list. Has anyone got an update on the status or release time of the radial Scrub for the Meg?
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22nd April 2006, 02:37	#2 (permalink)
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22nd April 2006, 05:01	#4 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 711	Re: Radial For Meg Interesting home project you have there boss. What about the liner under the expanded metal? How did you calcuate the percentage of holes compared to the overall surface area; or did you pick the material based on the hole size? No springs to help with packing- or is it in the bottom and I need to go play in the corner? Sorry its late and my mind is curious. Please keep us informed- looks interesting. All that shinny metal and you might have to add a kitchen aid logo. Best Regards, andrew __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha.
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22nd April 2006, 05:17	#5 (permalink)
Micko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: perth Posts: 114	Re: Radial For Meg now you do a nice job young fella i know where you live Having a nice time are you Tall boy? Roll on May i say sick of bubles Steven.
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22nd April 2006, 05:27	#6 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Radial For Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck) All that shinny metal and you might have to add a kitchen aid logo. Yes Boss, good times Boss. -Andy
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22nd April 2006, 05:36	#7 (permalink)
P6017 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA Posts: 83	Re: Radial For Meg [quote=Skipbreather]Folks- Have been working on homebuilt project for Meg radial scrubbers. Pix are of prototypes. Testing is currently in progress. When all is done, plan is (providing design works as calculated) to post article w/ full working drawings and material sources. All is 1000% speculation until I have REAL WORLD test numbers nailed down. Until then- as I’ve told folks in PMs- I just cannot ethically bring myself to post working drawings of stuff that I myself have not taken diving in open water. Dive season here is just getting underway. Best to all, Ken[/quot Will this design have a membrane on it?
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22nd April 2006, 08:03	#8 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,011	Re: Radial For Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck) No springs to help with packing- or is it in the bottom and I need to go play in the corner? Best Regards, andrew Hi Andrew.. Although springs are nice, they really aren't necessary if the right technique is used.. The CIS or Prism scrubber doesnt have any springs either.. Having springs could potentitally have a down side as well if the proper precautions are not taken.. With a radial scrubber its really important to have the scrubber packed evenly and not have areas that have tighter packing.. The way this is normally accomplished on a CIS scrubber is to fill the scruber, a bit over the full line, tap it down, put the cap on then lay the scrubber on its side, tapping while rotating, the positioning it up talking off the top, adding sorb if necessary right to the top of the fill area making sure the top can be put back on without any additional pressure.. This way the scrubber should be packed quite evenly.. Its not a quick process.. You have to take your time.. I have packed CIS scrubbers and once you know howto do it its pretty easy.. I haven't packed a prism scrubber but was told by people who have packed both that its a little harder to pack than a cis since they say the "scrubber" itself is softer (the cis is quite rigid sound bouncing the scrubber on a solid surface can be used to speed things up), but my guess is it shouldn't be more than a few minutes longer to pack.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 22nd April 2006 at 08:39.
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22nd April 2006, 08:37	#9 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Radial For Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) Although springs are nice, they really aren't necessary if the right technique is used.. The CIS scrubber doesnt have any springs either.. I havent packed a prsim scrubber but was told by people who have packed both that its a little harder to pack than a cis since they say the "scrubber" itself is softer, but my guess is it shouldnt be more than a few minutes longer to pack.. Hi Joe, just so everybody knows, there's no spring used in the Prism scrubber, for sorb compression anyway. Other than Boris, I don't think there's any other radial that does. The spring on the Prism scrubber is used only to hold the full canister up against the sealing ring of the inlet hole. It also holds the scrubber above the water trap and helps to isolate the scrubber from any vibration in predive transit. As for ease of packing, the Prism has a definite learning curve. I have found over time that holding the scrubber by the side in 1 hand and slapping it on the bottom with the other packs the tightest and fastest-less than 10 minutes. I never thought about laying it down and tapping-too afraid of getting unclean stuff on the sides-but I'm sure it works well. Another thing about the Prism scrubber is that the lid is actually the bottom of the scrubber, so you turn it upside down when you put it in, which will further help the packing, thanks to gravity. -Andy
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22nd April 2006, 08:41	#10 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,011	Re: Radial For Meg Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Hi Joe, just so everybody knows, there's no spring used in the Prism scrubber, for sorb compression anyway. Other than Boris, I don't think there's any other radial that does. The spring on the Prism scrubber is used only to hold the full canister up against the sealing ring of the inlet hole. It also holds the scrubber above the water trap and helps to isolate the scrubber from any vibration in predive transit. As for ease of packing, the Prism has a definite learning curve. I have found over time that holding the scrubber by the side in 1 hand and slapping it on the bottom with the other packs the tightest and fastest-less than 10 minutes. I never thought about laying it down and tapping-too afraid of getting unclean stuff on the sides-but I'm sure it works well. Another thing about the Prism scrubber is that the lid is actually the bottom of the scrubber, so you turn it upside down when you put it in, which will further help the packing, thanks to gravity. -Andy You replied between edits.. I was editing it to CIS or PRISM scrubber.. Laying it down on the CIS is no big deal because it has that SS outer layer on the scrubber, and the rolling really insures an even fill... The CIS scrubebr in a CIS and Meg, don't need a spring to hold the scrubber into place since the fitting in both cases is very tight with a heavy oring seal into the outlet (center tube).. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 22nd April 2006 at 08:44.
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