Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS

CCR-DIVER · 25th March 2006, 20:37

Hi Guys,

My opinion is : i dove both units, and actualy only Boris.

For my kind off dives,deep wreck expeditions, i prefer Boris, becouse is more redundant, better scrubber and components too.

it´s expensive and litle heavy, but i prefer redundant solutions ( my life is more value ), and for travel nothing to do with weight. it´s impossible to do expeditions with no equipment.

Units, regulators, dry suit, all hardware (masks, fins....), travel cases, etc....
are heavy.

unfortunaly we need to accept the reality and pay excess weight.

cheers and good expeditions.

josé

Mark Chase · 25th March 2006, 20:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR-DIVER)

Hi Guys,

My opinion is : i dove both units, and actually only Boris.

For my kind off dives,deep wreck expeditions, i prefer Boris, because is more redundant, better scrubber and components too.

it´s expensive and Little heavy, but i prefer redundant solutions ( my life is more value ), and for travel nothing to do with weight. it´s impossible to do expeditions with no equipment.

Units, regulators, dry suit, all hardware (masks, fins....), travel cases, etc....
are heavy.

unfortunately we need to accept the reality and pay excess weight.

cheers and good expeditions.

josé

What? for a weeks livaboard in the red sea??

I agree the Boris is the perfect unit

Its so bloody expensive that any one who can afford one can also afford the Sport KISS to go diving on holiday with

ATB

Mark Chase

Obviously I am being sarcastic and in terms of what is the best CR out there the Boris is in with a shot of the top spot

ATB

Mark Chase

stoneytony · 25th March 2006, 22:00

Hi,
I have owned an inspiration from the beginning....I now have an Evolution. Both are made by a company that have been manufacturing diving gear for many years. I dived my Inspo 783 times. I never had a failure or problem except a loop flood of my own making. The Evolution is very well built. I have not tried hammering nails in with it, but I cant see me ever breaking it.
The Inspo was good, the Evo is far better. I have not dived the Boris, but I have experienced several of the products dreamed up by Mr Kevin Gurr.

We have the O2 analyser in 1995 that was an adapted volt meter and worked ok,
We have the full face mask switch block that he was using failed on a 25 metre dive (I was there)
We have the VR3 computer, basically ok, but when you take the batteries out it looses its memory. If you let the batteries go flat over the winter, it just wont work......
We have the inspo 4 cell holders that were badly glued and came apart....

Would I risk my life with an Oroborous......No!!!

jont · 26th March 2006, 00:14

I have 2 Insps. and they serve me well, however the Boris is so far Superior to the Insp (and anything AP makes) it simply not worth mentioning.

CCR-DIVER · 26th March 2006, 10:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

What? for a weeks livaboard in the red sea??

I agree the Boris is the perfect unit

Its so bloody expensive that any one who can afford one can also afford the Sport KISS to go diving on holiday with

ATB

Mark Chase

Obviously I am being sarcastic and in terms of what is the best CR out there the Boris is in with a shot of the top spot

ATB

Mark Chase

Hi Mark,

Yes for holidays diving spor kiss could be good option, and evolution too.

But for serious deep dives you need specific tools, that´s what i tried to say.

cheers

José

CCR-DIVER · 26th March 2006, 10:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by stoneytony)

Hi,
I have owned an inspiration from the beginning....I now have an Evolution. Both are made by a company that have been manufacturing diving gear for many years. I dived my Inspo 783 times. I never had a failure or problem except a loop flood of my own making. The Evolution is very well built. I have not tried hammering nails in with it, but I cant see me ever breaking it.
The Inspo was good, the Evo is far better. I have not dived the Boris, but I have experienced several of the products dreamed up by Mr Kevin Gurr.

We have the O2 analyser in 1995 that was an adapted volt meter and worked ok,
We have the full face mask switch block that he was using failed on a 25 metre dive (I was there)
We have the VR3 computer, basically ok, but when you take the batteries out it looses its memory. If you let the batteries go flat over the winter, it just wont work......
We have the inspo 4 cell holders that were badly glued and came apart....

Would I risk my life with an Oroborous......No!!!

Hello,

I think we (All ccr divers)have something in commun:

1- we love diving, any kind ( deep, shalow, wreck , reef, sport, technical....)

2- we love rebreathers (personaly CCR ).

we can choose our model-type of unit, in a free way like girls or cars.

But please don´t start stupid discussions like futball fans, about rebreathers.

Good and Safe dives.

and PLEASE ALWAYS KNOW YOUR P02.

cheers

José

decowarrior · 26th March 2006, 11:04

sorry but i disagree with this concept that the boris is a vastly superior unit to the inspiration, i dont think teher are any other units with teh ammount of hours on them than the inspiration has, i have been on deep wreck expeditions with my inspiration that boris was on too and we did exactly the same dive same durations same depth so how can the scrubber be vastly superior!, it did the same dive, ive dived my inspiration hard over the years its done a lot of big dives and it has worked well, i think if the inpo will do the job why do i need something so over engineered, if the unit is so fail safe and redundant how come there is only one battery in the secondary electronics and how come the seal on the leve for opening and closing the mouth piece has no locking nut and seals with one o ring that does coe undone, i have seen a few niggles on trips with boris and i think its not all it cracked up to be

decoweenie · 26th March 2006, 12:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR-DIVER)

Yes for holidays diving spor kiss could be good option, and evolution too.

But for serious deep dives you need specific tools, that´s what i tried to say.

José,

Just curious...

What is your definition of "serious deep dives" ?

Did you do these dives on your Inspiration before having the Boris ? And are you now with the Boris ?

Why do you believe the Evolution is not suitable these dives ? Scrubber duration ?

Nad · 26th March 2006, 15:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Scrubber temp control? HVAC? Just kidding.

Am not sure how much a single temp sensor is worth, Nad.
You can read the temp insode the cannister which intresting ... once or twice.
But it doesn't tell you much about what the scrubber is up to, or does it?
Pre-breathing it heats up. It's working during the dive and shows high temp. Once the sorb stops working temps will drop ...

... but will you be in shape to read about it on the handset? Or are you going to have a CO2 hit first and hopefully read about it later?

Of course, I never rely on it and I hope nobody does, but still it can give you a general idea on what's happening.
Same for the temp. stick.
You can always have a CO2 hit, with or without the temp. control.

divetheworld · 26th March 2006, 15:34

Apples are better than oranges.
My toys are better than your toys
My dads harder than your dad.

Brothers in arms.

25th March 2006, 20:37	#21 (permalink)
CCR-DIVER New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 73	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Hi Guys, My opinion is : i dove both units, and actualy only Boris. For my kind off dives,deep wreck expeditions, i prefer Boris, becouse is more redundant, better scrubber and components too. it´s expensive and litle heavy, but i prefer redundant solutions ( my life is more value ), and for travel nothing to do with weight. it´s impossible to do expeditions with no equipment. Units, regulators, dry suit, all hardware (masks, fins....), travel cases, etc.... are heavy. unfortunaly we need to accept the reality and pay excess weight. cheers and good expeditions. josé __________________ *José Marques* *www.in-silence.com*
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25th March 2006, 20:47	#22 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,562	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR-DIVER) Hi Guys, My opinion is : i dove both units, and actually only Boris. For my kind off dives,deep wreck expeditions, i prefer Boris, because is more redundant, better scrubber and components too. it´s expensive and Little heavy, but i prefer redundant solutions ( my life is more value ), and for travel nothing to do with weight. it´s impossible to do expeditions with no equipment. Units, regulators, dry suit, all hardware (masks, fins....), travel cases, etc.... are heavy. unfortunately we need to accept the reality and pay excess weight. cheers and good expeditions. josé What? for a weeks livaboard in the red sea?? I agree the Boris is the perfect unit Its so bloody expensive that any one who can afford one can also afford the Sport KISS to go diving on holiday with ATB Mark Chase Obviously I am being sarcastic and in terms of what is the best CR out there the Boris is in with a shot of the top spot ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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25th March 2006, 22:00	#23 (permalink)
stoneytony New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: cornwall Posts: 12	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Hi, I have owned an inspiration from the beginning....I now have an Evolution. Both are made by a company that have been manufacturing diving gear for many years. I dived my Inspo 783 times. I never had a failure or problem except a loop flood of my own making. The Evolution is very well built. I have not tried hammering nails in with it, but I cant see me ever breaking it. The Inspo was good, the Evo is far better. I have not dived the Boris, but I have experienced several of the products dreamed up by Mr Kevin Gurr. We have the O2 analyser in 1995 that was an adapted volt meter and worked ok, We have the full face mask switch block that he was using failed on a 25 metre dive (I was there) We have the VR3 computer, basically ok, but when you take the batteries out it looses its memory. If you let the batteries go flat over the winter, it just wont work...... We have the inspo 4 cell holders that were badly glued and came apart.... Would I risk my life with an Oroborous......No!!!
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26th March 2006, 00:14	#24 (permalink)
jont Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Prism Topaz Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY USA Posts: 213	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS I have 2 Insps. and they serve me well, however the Boris is so far Superior to the Insp (and anything AP makes) it simply not worth mentioning.
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26th March 2006, 10:38	#25 (permalink)
CCR-DIVER New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 73	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) What? for a weeks livaboard in the red sea?? I agree the Boris is the perfect unit Its so bloody expensive that any one who can afford one can also afford the Sport KISS to go diving on holiday with ATB Mark Chase Obviously I am being sarcastic and in terms of what is the best CR out there the Boris is in with a shot of the top spot ATB Mark Chase Hi Mark, Yes for holidays diving spor kiss could be good option, and evolution too. But for serious deep dives you need specific tools, that´s what i tried to say. cheers José __________________ *José Marques* *www.in-silence.com*
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26th March 2006, 10:49	#26 (permalink)
CCR-DIVER New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 73	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Quote: (Originally Posted by stoneytony) Hi, I have owned an inspiration from the beginning....I now have an Evolution. Both are made by a company that have been manufacturing diving gear for many years. I dived my Inspo 783 times. I never had a failure or problem except a loop flood of my own making. The Evolution is very well built. I have not tried hammering nails in with it, but I cant see me ever breaking it. The Inspo was good, the Evo is far better. I have not dived the Boris, but I have experienced several of the products dreamed up by Mr Kevin Gurr. We have the O2 analyser in 1995 that was an adapted volt meter and worked ok, We have the full face mask switch block that he was using failed on a 25 metre dive (I was there) We have the VR3 computer, basically ok, but when you take the batteries out it looses its memory. If you let the batteries go flat over the winter, it just wont work...... We have the inspo 4 cell holders that were badly glued and came apart.... Would I risk my life with an Oroborous......No!!! Hello, I think we (All ccr divers)have something in commun: 1- we love diving, any kind ( deep, shalow, wreck , reef, sport, technical....) 2- we love rebreathers (personaly CCR ). we can choose our model-type of unit, in a free way like girls or cars. But please don´t start stupid discussions like futball fans, about rebreathers. Good and Safe dives. and PLEASE ALWAYS KNOW YOUR P02. cheers José __________________ *José Marques* *www.in-silence.com*
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26th March 2006, 11:04	#27 (permalink)
decowarrior New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: stoke Posts: 42	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS sorry but i disagree with this concept that the boris is a vastly superior unit to the inspiration, i dont think teher are any other units with teh ammount of hours on them than the inspiration has, i have been on deep wreck expeditions with my inspiration that boris was on too and we did exactly the same dive same durations same depth so how can the scrubber be vastly superior!, it did the same dive, ive dived my inspiration hard over the years its done a lot of big dives and it has worked well, i think if the inpo will do the job why do i need something so over engineered, if the unit is so fail safe and redundant how come there is only one battery in the secondary electronics and how come the seal on the leve for opening and closing the mouth piece has no locking nut and seals with one o ring that does coe undone, i have seen a few niggles on trips with boris and i think its not all it cracked up to be __________________ wetter the better
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26th March 2006, 12:06	#28 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR-DIVER) Yes for holidays diving spor kiss could be good option, and evolution too. But for serious deep dives you need specific tools, that´s what i tried to say. José, Just curious... What is your definition of "serious deep dives" ? Did you do these dives on your Inspiration before having the Boris ? And are you now with the Boris ? Why do you believe the Evolution is not suitable these dives ? Scrubber duration ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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26th March 2006, 15:15	#29 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 960	Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Scrubber temp control? HVAC? Just kidding. Am not sure how much a single temp sensor is worth, Nad. You can read the temp insode the cannister which intresting ... once or twice. But it doesn't tell you much about what the scrubber is up to, or does it? Pre-breathing it heats up. It's working during the dive and shows high temp. Once the sorb stops working temps will drop ... ... but will you be in shape to read about it on the handset? Or are you going to have a CO2 hit first and hopefully read about it later? Of course, I never rely on it and I hope nobody does, but still it can give you a general idea on what's happening. Same for the temp. stick. You can always have a CO2 hit, with or without the temp. control. __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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26th March 2006, 15:34	#30 (permalink)
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