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Old 25th March 2006, 07:28   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS

Having owned both and temporarily having neither I can say that IMO the Ouroboros is a far superior piece of kit. The quality of the components far exceeds that of the YBOD, the whole package seems to have had more thought eg: boris o/b gas is solely for rebreathing, on the YBOD they decide to incorporate bailout via a notoriously dodgy plastic wannabe regulator on the end of the inflator, what is all that about?

The maintenance of the boris is simpler, popping the O rings out for inspection is very clever. Scrubber packing on boris is far simpler, none of that tap tap tap, turn, tap tap tap nonsense.

So I am firmly in the boris camp, just a pity it costs so much.

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Old 25th March 2006, 08:48   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS

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Out of curiosity, guys, what exactly can the Inspiration do that the Ouroboros can't?
Other than get you in the water for less than $10K?
Which, if someone considers the Boris in the first place is probably not much of an argument.

The Ouroboros has the edge on scrubber duration and features such as gas management, more advanced HUD and buddy display. The only feature I can think of that only the Inspo offers is the temp stick.

Both are rather large and heavy and travelling with either will be an expensive pita.
Not convinient, but possible, Inspo divers have been hauling their rigs around the globe and Mike, I asume you'll take you Boris back with you rather than leave it in the UK for me to play with on my next visit.

For recreational limits one can argue both are overkill and both have been used in excess of their rated depths, scrubber times, in overhead environs ... you name it. Looks like the Boris has the edge on the extreme end as none that I know has imploded yet. Then again, that depth is way past most divers needs and limits.

The main difference for most practical puposes are the location of the counterlungs and the different electronics. Both are more personal preference than anything else. Some people will prefer the likely lower and more even WOB on the Inspo, others will insist on uncluttered chest and enclosed lungs.

The Boris has a single setpoint controller and separate pO2 monitor and separate power supplies whereas the Inspo has dual dependend controllers and joint power supply.

The electronics in and by themselves make the Ouroboros the superior rebreather in my opinion. As do the radial scrubber and the additional features. The only setback is that they do cost quite a bit of money.

So IMHO the Ouroboros is hands down the better rebreather.
Hi Stefan,
I agree with everything but I have to remind you that also Boris has a scrubber temp. control. It show you degrees and a temp graph on the display. However the producer say to don't rely on it.
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Old 25th March 2006, 09:35   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS

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Inspo divers have been hauling their rigs around the globe and Mike, I asume you'll take you Boris back with you rather than leave it in the UK for me to play with on my next visit.
YBOD, MK15.5 and Boris travel in same size box.

I collect Boris mid April, end April it will be flying to Egypt and back, a week later itll be flying to Singapore a week later itll be going up to Malaysia and back, a week after that Indonesia and back and a week after that itll be flying to Thailand and back

I dont see travelling with any unit much of a problem if your organised and if you accept it as a price to pay for the fun of diving them.
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Old 25th March 2006, 11:58   #14 (permalink)
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YBOD, MK15.5 and Boris travel in same size box.

I collect Boris mid April, end April it will be flying to Egypt and back, a week later itll be flying to Singapore a week later itll be going up to Malaysia and back, a week after that Indonesia and back and a week after that itll be flying to Thailand and back

I dont see travelling with any unit much of a problem if your organised and if you accept it as a price to pay for the fun of diving them.
Yes but most of us cant afford business class with the generous weight allowance and cant of set flight costs against our business. For Mr & Mrs 25kg + 10Kg for diving equipment a 32KG rebreather is a total pain in the arse.

Having traveled to various places with the YBOD I can say that its is also a PITA but at least you can purchase things like the travel frame to make it easier.

When we went to Cyprus to dive the Zenobia we had a MAX 40kg allowance with NO excess baggage allowed. I had about 18Kg of equipment on my person when I checked in and a camera case (they dont weigh them ) weighing in at 11kg.

We looked inot sending it freight but it was a joke. It had to be checked in two days before departure? OK on the way out but not so good on the way back.

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Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)
YBOD, MK15.5 and Boris travel in same size box.
That must be one bug box to hold those three ...

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I collect Boris mid April, end April it will be flying ... if you accept it ...
And if I don't accept, will you leave it for me?

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I have to remind you that also Boris has a scrubber temp. control. It show you degrees and a temp graph on the display
Scrubber temp control? HVAC? Just kidding.
Am not sure how much a single temp sensor is worth, Nad.
You can read the temp insode the cannister which intresting ... once or twice.
But it doesn't tell you much about what the scrubber is up to, or does it?
Pre-breathing it heats up. It's working during the dive and shows high temp. Once the sorb stops working temps will drop ... ... but will you be in shape to read about it on the handset? Or are you going to have a CO2 hit first and hopefully read about it later?

The TempStick already has limits, but it seems to work showing the area that's been used up. Implementing that system in a radial is difficult as multiple sensors are needed per stick and multiple sticks would be needed to cover directions. Bit easier in a Boris than most radial canns since it has separate spaces between the fins, and the scrubber bed is longer than wide. Would be an elaborate system and maybe not even worth the effort/expense.

But what and how much does a single sensor do?
And where, by the way, is it located?
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Re: Compare Buddy inspiration to CCR OROBOROUS

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Yes but most of us cant afford business class with the generous weight allowance and cant of set flight costs against our business. For Mr & Mrs 25kg + 10Kg for diving equipment a 32KG rebreather is a total pain in the arse.

Having traveled to various places with the YBOD I can say that its is also a PITA but at least you can purchase things like the travel frame to make it easier.

When we went to Cyprus to dive the Zenobia we had a MAX 40kg allowance with NO excess baggage allowed. I had about 18Kg of equipment on my person when I checked in and a camera case (they dont weigh them ) weighing in at 11kg.

We looked inot sending it freight but it was a joke. It had to be checked in two days before departure? OK on the way out but not so good on the way back.

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Most of the flights I take are not business class or offset against a business.

We have a well practiced routine.
Freq flyer card allowances and 'sportsmans' allowance cards are an absolute must.
We minimise the check in weight by having well planned rediculously heavy carry on.

Most allow one carry on bag plus a laptop bag or a camera bag.
They all seem to turn a blind eye to a main carry on trolly style bag plus one shoulder bag (as well as camera/laptop bag) So in this way I usually carry on a total of 3 bags each crammed full of the heavy dive gear. The Rebreather gets checked in in its box (32kg) plus either some lime or some more gear.

I usually get stung for about 10kg worth of excess


When I fly to the UK in a few weeks I get 80kg worth of free check in allowance!
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Limits for charter flights to the Red Sea (Britannia etc) are generally 25kg hold baggage and 5kg carry on, and they frequently weigh the carry on. Usually if there are a few of you checking in together you can generate enough confusion to get a bit more through. A couple of times I have checked in a 25kg bag then been told my 10kg carry on is too heavy so checked that in as well without any excess charge.

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Limits for charter flights to the Red Sea (Britannia etc) are generally 25kg hold baggage and 5kg carry on, and they frequently weigh the carry on. Usually if there are a few of you checking in together you can generate enough confusion to get a bit more through. A couple of times I have checked in a 25kg bag then been told my 10kg carry on is too heavy so checked that in as well without any excess charge.

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I just flew to Marsa Alam for a week on Hurricane with Brittania. I checked in two 32kg boxes, one with the Ouroboros, one with everything else. No excess charges either way. As you say, they do seem more concerned about hand baggage - they were weighing and anything over 5kg had to be split up.

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I just flew to Marsa Alam for a week on Hurricane with Brittania. I checked in two 32kg boxes, one with the Ouroboros, one with everything else. No excess charges either way. As you say, they do seem more concerned about hand baggage - they were weighing and anything over 5kg had to be split up.

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A group of us flue out to Hugarda last Feb and we prebooked excess baggage of 30Kg per diver. They weighed everything and it took an age to get the 6 of us through check in. One of the other divers turned up with a 32Kg CCR in a box and 25kg of luggage. He got hit for £280 one way.

He was a very very unhappy person.

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