OMS Wing on an Inspo

Midnight · 14th March 2006, 17:08

Some tips and advice required please.

Am about to buy an Inspo Classic but have never really liked the Buddy Wing and want to fit my OMS wing in its place.

I know that this will mean losing the Autoair (never really liked these either!) so am thinking about fitting one of my ATX40's onto the Dil first stage.

Has anyone gone down this line before me and can they offer any of their wisdom to the project!!?

Regards
Midnight

SimonK · 14th March 2006, 18:54

A friend fitted an OMS wing to his inspo, did one dive and went back to the original AP wing. This was before I owned an Inspo so I didn't take much notice of the reason why.

Personaly I use the standard AP wing without a problem having used OMS for years when OC.

Simon

CCR900 · 14th March 2006, 21:12

If you do use the OMS wing make sure you tie down the top section of the wing other wise if you fully inflate the wing the expanding section under the T pieces (inhale and exhale) could/can be strong enough to disloge the T pieces and course loop failure.

This statement is from second hand comments and not from actual experience.

F

Mark Chase · 15th March 2006, 08:40

Strangely I seem to be in a minority that find the lift on the 22kg Buddy wing, inadequate. With two steel 7s for bailout and 10Kg of lead to sink my 400G under suit I find on the surface it barley lifts me out of the water. Its fine on the bottom but if I ever had to lift a diver and keep him on the surface i would not be confident.

When I switch to two 10's for bailout this year it will be worse

ATB

Mark Chase

pchanning · 15th March 2006, 17:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Strangely I seem to be in a minority that find the lift on the 22kg Buddy wing, inadequate. With two steel 7s for bailout and 10Kg of lead to sink my 400G under suit I find on the surface it barley lifts me out of the water. Its fine on the bottom but if I ever had to lift a diver and keep him on the surface i would not be confident.

When I switch to two 10's for bailout this year it will be worse

ATB

Mark Chase

FWIW I agree - certainly for UK gas diving type set-up, (as opposed to wetsuit, warm water, minimal kit stuff).

Little 40lb wings may be fine for OC twinset stuff (comparable in weight to an inspo) - as one will use up lots of weight in gas throughout the dive. CC, most of the weight is still there - factor in a loop flood or some other sort of bouyancy loss (Drysuit gas/ leak), least not some other divers loss of good positive bouyancy and thats a reaaaally bad day.

Besides, psychologically, I think there is something quite reassuring about having my head above the water when on the surface. Food for thought.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Midnight)

Some tips and advice required please...

stay in the minority

Cheers
Paul

Midnight · 15th March 2006, 19:34

Thanks very much guys,

I appreciate your ideas.

Regarding the top of the wing dislodging the T-pieces, ADV etc. Does the tying down of the top of the wing stop this from hapenning and will switching from the Buddy harness to my trusty backplate help this? (I know there will be issues regarding holding down the bottom of the CL bags but I am sure this could be overcome.

As I am only just about to begin my days as a YBOD jockey I am a bit away from strapping on the sidemounts but your comments regarding available lift certainly do give food for future thoughts.

Thanks again all.

Regards
Midnight

PS In the APV Inspiration manual is the Oxygen warnings diagram Lynda Weller the same as the famous one from the Kevin and Lynda Weller partnership?? Anyone got any idea?

Blomman · 17th March 2006, 20:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Strangely I seem to be in a minority that find the lift on the 22kg Buddy wing, inadequate. With two steel 7s for bailout and 10Kg of lead to sink my 400G under suit I find on the surface it barley lifts me out of the water. Its fine on the bottom but if I ever had to lift a diver and keep him on the surface i would not be confident.

When I switch to two 10's for bailout this year it will be worse

Why not use ALU-tanks instead? My 16kg AP-wing keeps me floating with 2x80cf at the surface. I use about 12kg of led and dive with a 4mm neoprene drysuit (WP Antarctica).

// Blomman

NeilHolden · 20th March 2006, 15:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by Midnight)

PS In the APV Inspiration manual is the Oxygen warnings diagram Lynda Weller the same as the famous one from the Kevin and Lynda Weller partnership?? Anyone got any idea?

Yes, that's her

Mark Chase · 20th March 2006, 16:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Blomman)

Why not use ALU-tanks instead? My 16kg AP-wing keeps me floating with 2x80cf at the surface. I use about 12kg of led and dive with a 4mm neoprene drysuit (WP Antarctica).

// Blomman

?? the 3ltr Aly tanks in the UK wont fit inside a YBOD and they are heavier than the steel tanks

ATB

Mark Chase

***Beanie*** · 20th March 2006, 17:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

?? the 3ltr Aly tanks in the UK wont fit inside a YBOD and they are heavier than the steel tanks

only out of the water, which does mean you'll neeed more lead

14th March 2006, 17:08	#1 (permalink)
Midnight 00:00 Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Co. Meath Eire Posts: 33	OMS Wing on an Inspo Some tips and advice required please. Am about to buy an Inspo Classic but have never really liked the Buddy Wing and want to fit my OMS wing in its place. I know that this will mean losing the Autoair (never really liked these either!) so am thinking about fitting one of my ATX40's onto the Dil first stage. Has anyone gone down this line before me and can they offer any of their wisdom to the project!!? Regards Midnight
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14th March 2006, 18:54	#2 (permalink)
SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo A friend fitted an OMS wing to his inspo, did one dive and went back to the original AP wing. This was before I owned an Inspo so I didn't take much notice of the reason why. Personaly I use the standard AP wing without a problem having used OMS for years when OC. Simon
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14th March 2006, 21:12	#3 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 331	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo If you do use the OMS wing make sure you tie down the top section of the wing other wise if you fully inflate the wing the expanding section under the T pieces (inhale and exhale) could/can be strong enough to disloge the T pieces and course loop failure. This statement is from second hand comments and not from actual experience. F
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15th March 2006, 08:40	#4 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,418	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Strangely I seem to be in a minority that find the lift on the 22kg Buddy wing, inadequate. With two steel 7s for bailout and 10Kg of lead to sink my 400G under suit I find on the surface it barley lifts me out of the water. Its fine on the bottom but if I ever had to lift a diver and keep him on the surface i would not be confident. When I switch to two 10's for bailout this year it will be worse ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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15th March 2006, 17:46	#5 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Strangely I seem to be in a minority that find the lift on the 22kg Buddy wing, inadequate. With two steel 7s for bailout and 10Kg of lead to sink my 400G under suit I find on the surface it barley lifts me out of the water. Its fine on the bottom but if I ever had to lift a diver and keep him on the surface i would not be confident. When I switch to two 10's for bailout this year it will be worse ATB Mark Chase FWIW I agree - certainly for UK gas diving type set-up, (as opposed to wetsuit, warm water, minimal kit stuff). Little 40lb wings may be fine for OC twinset stuff (comparable in weight to an inspo) - as one will use up lots of weight in gas throughout the dive. CC, most of the weight is still there - factor in a loop flood or some other sort of bouyancy loss (Drysuit gas/ leak), least not some other divers loss of good positive bouyancy and thats a reaaaally bad day. Besides, psychologically, I think there is something quite reassuring about having my head above the water when on the surface. Food for thought. Quote: (Originally Posted by Midnight) Some tips and advice required please... stay in the minority Cheers Paul __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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15th March 2006, 19:34	#6 (permalink)
Midnight 00:00 Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Co. Meath Eire Posts: 33	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Thanks very much guys, I appreciate your ideas. Regarding the top of the wing dislodging the T-pieces, ADV etc. Does the tying down of the top of the wing stop this from hapenning and will switching from the Buddy harness to my trusty backplate help this? (I know there will be issues regarding holding down the bottom of the CL bags but I am sure this could be overcome. As I am only just about to begin my days as a YBOD jockey I am a bit away from strapping on the sidemounts but your comments regarding available lift certainly do give food for future thoughts. Thanks again all. Regards Midnight PS In the APV Inspiration manual is the Oxygen warnings diagram Lynda Weller the same as the famous one from the Kevin and Lynda Weller partnership?? Anyone got any idea?
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17th March 2006, 20:46	#7 (permalink)
Blomman Helium is addictive! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 148	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Strangely I seem to be in a minority that find the lift on the 22kg Buddy wing, inadequate. With two steel 7s for bailout and 10Kg of lead to sink my 400G under suit I find on the surface it barley lifts me out of the water. Its fine on the bottom but if I ever had to lift a diver and keep him on the surface i would not be confident. When I switch to two 10's for bailout this year it will be worse Why not use ALU-tanks instead? My 16kg AP-wing keeps me floating with 2x80cf at the surface. I use about 12kg of led and dive with a 4mm neoprene drysuit (WP Antarctica). // Blomman
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20th March 2006, 15:44	#8 (permalink)
NeilHolden Gadget Freak Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fareham, Hampshire Posts: 67	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Midnight) PS In the APV Inspiration manual is the Oxygen warnings diagram Lynda Weller the same as the famous one from the Kevin and Lynda Weller partnership?? Anyone got any idea? Yes, that's her __________________ Diversi Veshi Tem
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20th March 2006, 16:54	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,418	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Blomman) Why not use ALU-tanks instead? My 16kg AP-wing keeps me floating with 2x80cf at the surface. I use about 12kg of led and dive with a 4mm neoprene drysuit (WP Antarctica). // Blomman ?? the 3ltr Aly tanks in the UK wont fit inside a YBOD and they are heavier than the steel tanks ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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*Beanie* Cheif tea maker Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,142	Re: OMS Wing on an Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) ?? the 3ltr Aly tanks in the UK wont fit inside a YBOD and they are heavier than the steel tanks only out of the water, which does mean you'll neeed more lead __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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