Rebreather Migration

silent running · 14th March 2006, 09:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Micko)

well we all know the answer to that dont we.

Well no, I don't. That's why I'm asking and I hope for a detailed answer, even if you take a year to sum it all up. Obviously not all Oz Prism owners are migrating. What I'm interested in knowing is how the onwerships compare over time, in terms of use and service. Maybe I too would want to migrate. But I sure wouldn't start thinking about it seriously without more info than a flip comment... -Andy

**Steve** · 14th March 2006, 09:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I hope they sort out the apparent faf required to calibrate the dammed thing when they finish the Apex head.

Not following you here at all Mark. Cal is a snap and if one uses the cal kit uses SFA gas. The APECS software is great and keeps getting better. What did I miss?

silent running · 14th March 2006, 09:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

So working straight out of the box I would go for the standard Meg/Apex package but not the full in line deco stuff. I hope it would e more reliable than my YBOD because the niggles on that are making me seriously consider going down the KISS path.ATB Mark Chase

Hello Mark, the Meg is plenty good, but I'm not fully convinced of the merits of any integrated deco given all the problems with the various makes-more complicated, more seals/possible water ingress, all eggs in one basket. I've had no problems with my VR3 or HE-knock on wood. But I would hate to imagine how overtaxed those manufacturers might be if they also tried to perfect a CCR at the same time... We are all only human after all. -Andy

**Steve** · 14th March 2006, 09:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Hello Mark, the Meg is plenty good, but I'm not fully convinced of the merits of any integrated deco given all the problems with the various makes-more complicated, more seals/possible water ingress, all eggs in one basket. I've had no problems with my VR3 or HE-knock on wood. But I would hate to imagine how overtaxed those manufacturers might be if they also tried to perfect a CCR at the same time... We are all only human after all. -Andy

Yup, what he said

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Mark Chase · 14th March 2006, 09:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

Not following you here at all Mark. Cal is a snap and if one uses the cal kit uses SFA gas. The APECS software is great and keeps getting better. What did I miss?

No you got it in one, why the hell do you need a call kit?

I just press a couple of buttons on the YBOD and it does it all in the unit. No kit required.

Is the full Apex3 available yet? does it work? As far as I was aware the standard Apex unit available is just a set point system like the classic YBOD? Whilst this is fine its hardly anything to shout about when there are units like the Vision, Boris and the Hammer head knocking about.

Perhaps I am missing something but thats where I thought we were at with the Meg.

Don't get me wrong. If money were no object I would get the Meg with the standard Apex head which at 5K is comparable to the Classic YBOD. Its a better unit purely on the bases of traveling if nothing else. However when considering a full in line system, the Meg is uncharted territory. The Vision, HH and the Boris seem to be leading the way there at the moment.

My problem is people getting over enthused about a unit they have purchased. Every one seems to rant and rave about their Megs. However now I actually dive with two Meg owners I am starting to here that they have just as many niggles and problems as my YBOD which is a little depressing. However I have to say they are diving the Sherwood heads not the standard Apex.

Out of the people I dive with the least unit problems seem to be the KISS users then the Classic YBOD then the Meg then worst of all the Vision.

However my little test group comprises of about 10 CCR users so its hardly definitive.

ATB

Mark Chase

decoweenie · 14th March 2006, 09:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

...they are diving the Sherwood heads not the standard Apex...

I kmow nothing about the Meg, but I think the correct names are:

Shearwater, and
APECS

Correct ?

CharlieT · 14th March 2006, 10:02

I did my course on my Vision last September with Rich Stevenson and have now done about 28 hours including some trimix dives.

My spec included the trimix software originally and I've had no timing or other problems. This includes the latest software download.

I am VERY happy with my Vision and about to do my IANTD Mod 2 course.

I am not very tech minded and have needed help from various AP staff including Nicky Finn who helped me to download the latest software, something I'd never done before!

My limited experience is all positive. I chose the Vision in preference to a Meg for a number of reasons including the point you made about onboard deco software.

We had a Meg owner in our group for two seasons so I was very much getting the Meg is best message. Perhaps he overdid it!

Micko · 14th March 2006, 10:19

I belive every breather has it pros and cons.What one person likes to another is totally different.In my mind there is no perfect unit same as there is no perfect human being.
However we are all here to enjoy our passion of diving.For me the Meg had more pros than any other unit.{given a budget} Being i have only used one unit previous.
I have sat on the fence here long enough now and have been a sponge soaking up all the info that comes onto this forum.There is a lot of experiiance on here and this is what makes it a good forum.
Keep it up.

***EBT*** · 14th March 2006, 10:31

I think you just hit the nail on the head Micko

Ben Field · 14th March 2006, 10:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Out of the people I dive with the least unit problems seem to be the KISS users then the Classic YBOD then the Meg then worst of all the Vision.

I think it "seems" that way... in reality I think we get just as many issues but whereas with a YBOD you generally need to start pushing buttons, e-mailing APD for advice and hooking up laptops and the like, we can resort to hammers, spanners an o-ring or two and some silicon grease and its all working again.

Equal level of issues just a more DIY friendly path to their resolution

BEN

14th March 2006, 09:11	#11 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by Micko) well we all know the answer to that dont we. Well no, I don't. That's why I'm asking and I hope for a detailed answer, even if you take a year to sum it all up. Obviously not all Oz Prism owners are migrating. What I'm interested in knowing is how the onwerships compare over time, in terms of use and service. Maybe I too would want to migrate. But I sure wouldn't start thinking about it seriously without more info than a flip comment... -Andy
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14th March 2006, 09:15	#12 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,117	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) I hope they sort out the apparent faf required to calibrate the dammed thing when they finish the Apex head. Not following you here at all Mark. Cal is a snap and if one uses the cal kit uses SFA gas. The APECS software is great and keeps getting better. What did I miss? __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types.
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14th March 2006, 09:22	#13 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) So working straight out of the box I would go for the standard Meg/Apex package but not the full in line deco stuff. I hope it would e more reliable than my YBOD because the niggles on that are making me seriously consider going down the KISS path.ATB Mark Chase Hello Mark, the Meg is plenty good, but I'm not fully convinced of the merits of any integrated deco given all the problems with the various makes-more complicated, more seals/possible water ingress, all eggs in one basket. I've had no problems with my VR3 or HE-knock on wood. But I would hate to imagine how overtaxed those manufacturers might be if they also tried to perfect a CCR at the same time... We are all only human after all. -Andy
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14th March 2006, 09:32	#14 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,117	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Hello Mark, the Meg is plenty good, but I'm not fully convinced of the merits of any integrated deco given all the problems with the various makes-more complicated, more seals/possible water ingress, all eggs in one basket. I've had no problems with my VR3 or HE-knock on wood. But I would hate to imagine how overtaxed those manufacturers might be if they also tried to perfect a CCR at the same time... We are all only human after all. -Andy Yup, what he said. __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types.
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14th March 2006, 09:38	#15 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) Not following you here at all Mark. Cal is a snap and if one uses the cal kit uses SFA gas. The APECS software is great and keeps getting better. What did I miss? No you got it in one, why the hell do you need a call kit? I just press a couple of buttons on the YBOD and it does it all in the unit. No kit required. Is the full Apex3 available yet? does it work? As far as I was aware the standard Apex unit available is just a set point system like the classic YBOD? Whilst this is fine its hardly anything to shout about when there are units like the Vision, Boris and the Hammer head knocking about. Perhaps I am missing something but thats where I thought we were at with the Meg. Don't get me wrong. If money were no object I would get the Meg with the standard Apex head which at 5K is comparable to the Classic YBOD. Its a better unit purely on the bases of traveling if nothing else. However when considering a full in line system, the Meg is uncharted territory. The Vision, HH and the Boris seem to be leading the way there at the moment. My problem is people getting over enthused about a unit they have purchased. Every one seems to rant and rave about their Megs. However now I actually dive with two Meg owners I am starting to here that they have just as many niggles and problems as my YBOD which is a little depressing. However I have to say they are diving the Sherwood heads not the standard Apex. Out of the people I dive with the least unit problems seem to be the KISS users then the Classic YBOD then the Meg then worst of all the Vision. However my little test group comprises of about 10 CCR users so its hardly definitive. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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14th March 2006, 09:58	#16 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) ...they are diving the Sherwood heads not the standard Apex... I kmow nothing about the Meg, but I think the correct names are: Shearwater, and APECS Correct ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM Last edited by decoweenie : 14th March 2006 at 10:15.
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14th March 2006, 10:02	#17 (permalink)
CharlieT Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 449	Re: Rebreather Migration I did my course on my Vision last September with Rich Stevenson and have now done about 28 hours including some trimix dives. My spec included the trimix software originally and I've had no timing or other problems. This includes the latest software download. I am VERY happy with my Vision and about to do my IANTD Mod 2 course. I am not very tech minded and have needed help from various AP staff including Nicky Finn who helped me to download the latest software, something I'd never done before! My limited experience is all positive. I chose the Vision in preference to a Meg for a number of reasons including the point you made about onboard deco software. We had a Meg owner in our group for two seasons so I was very much getting the Meg is best message. Perhaps he overdid it!
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14th March 2006, 10:19	#18 (permalink)
Micko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: perth Posts: 114	Re: Rebreather Migration I belive every breather has it pros and cons.What one person likes to another is totally different.In my mind there is no perfect unit same as there is no perfect human being. However we are all here to enjoy our passion of diving.For me the Meg had more pros than any other unit.{given a budget} Being i have only used one unit previous. I have sat on the fence here long enough now and have been a sponge soaking up all the info that comes onto this forum.There is a lot of experiiance on here and this is what makes it a good forum. Keep it up.
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14th March 2006, 10:31	#19 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,970	Re: Rebreather Migration I think you just hit the nail on the head Micko __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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14th March 2006, 10:46	#20 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,621	Re: Rebreather Migration Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Out of the people I dive with the least unit problems seem to be the KISS users then the Classic YBOD then the Meg then worst of all the Vision. I think it "seems" that way... in reality I think we get just as many issues but whereas with a YBOD you generally need to start pushing buttons, e-mailing APD for advice and hooking up laptops and the like, we can resort to hammers, spanners an o-ring or two and some silicon grease and its all working again. Equal level of issues just a more DIY friendly path to their resolution BEN __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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