How do you bail on your Meg?

rogeringebo · 28th February 2006, 22:24

Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas..

1. Just bail to offboard slingtank (not sure about this one because I want to be able to use DIL also in case low on air)

2. Put a Scubapro Air 2(reg and inflator in one)on my wing,hooked up from DIL tank (and a sling too of course)

3. Just take a normal seconstage and hang it from a bungy on my chest as usual,also coming from DIL tank.(maybe to much stuff on my chest?)

Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter?

Cheers
Rodge

**wedivebc** · 28th February 2006, 22:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas..

1. Just bail to offboard slingtank (not sure about this one because I want to be able to use DIL also in case low on air)

2. Put a Scubapro Air 2(reg and inflator in one)on my wing,hooked up from DIL tank (and a sling too of course)

3. Just take a normal seconstage and hang it from a bungy on my chest as usual,also coming from DIL tank.(maybe to much stuff on my chest?)

Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter?

Cheers
Rodge

Don't have a meg yet but I have used airII as the immediate bailout in other units. Don't forget you have an open loop option as well to use dil in a non-compromised loop which will give you gas in the event of a scrubber breakthrough. I like the kiss bailout system except the drag and weight of the mouthpiece is a little annoying. I would say for me, sling main bailout and airII for emergency bailout. I believe Leon does not approve of that method though so we'll see soon enough.

**trob09** · 28th February 2006, 23:06

In my basic user course, my instructor encouraged the use of a bungied back-up around the neck. This worked pretty well and was a nice transition from OC. It did tend to leave a fair amount of stuff around the neck/shoulders/chest area, but the muscle-memory was there for emergencies.

In my CCR cave class a week or so ago, both of my instructors encouraged us (all of us had the same instructor for our user courses) to eliminate the bungied back-up and use a stage for bail-out purposes. the reasoning was that deep, you were only a few breaths away from emptying your onboard dil. I removed the bungied back-up for the class, making an effort for all of my bail-out drills to be to the stage bottle. In the end, it was pretty simple to do this.

To me, both of these approaches have advantages & disadvantages.

I think the 'best' solution is an integrated DSV/BOV with a focus on this being a temporary step to off-board for cases that require more than one or two breaths to sort out any questionable gas issues.

My absolute last choice would be an integrated inflator/reg. I've been avoiding these since the 70's. I just can't see them as anything but a compromise for either an inflator or as a regulator (perhaps I'm closed-minded).

cedricverdier · 1st March 2006, 02:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas..

Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter?

Cheers
Rodge

Hi Rodge,

You mentionned in a previous post that you'll do your training on the Meg very soon. If your training is not completed yet, I strongly suggest for your course before changing anything on your unit (AIR2, OC/DSV, etc). I'm quite sure your instructor will give you first hand experience about the different bail-out options...

Cheers

bubnotbub · 1st March 2006, 05:14

Hi Rodge,
before you make any change on your MEG,
wait the end of your course.

The open loop work very well, better then others units than I used before.

If you prefer to have a internal bailout, best choise for me is bungie on your chest.

All the best

Aldo

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas..

1. Just bail to offboard slingtank (not sure about this one because I want to be able to use DIL also in case low on air)

2. Put a Scubapro Air 2(reg and inflator in one)on my wing,hooked up from DIL tank (and a sling too of course)

3. Just take a normal seconstage and hang it from a bungy on my chest as usual,also coming from DIL tank.(maybe to much stuff on my chest?)

Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter?

Cheers
Rodge

rogeringebo · 1st March 2006, 06:03

Hi!
Thank you for your answers

I know,Cedric and Aldo that you are both right

..but I am just a little eager to get in the water and that will not hapen in another 3 weeks so now I dream of diving and plan different configurations in my sleep

Cheers Rodge

Nick uk. · 1st March 2006, 07:57

I use a slung 7lt. alu tank, whith an ATX40 for my OC buddies, an LP. hose to my inspire lung, and an LP. to my OC/DSV (BOV).

On a deeper dive i will take a 7lt. EAN50 with reg. allso.

On a recreational dive, as in setup one but with a 5lt. alu tank.

Pelagian · 1st March 2006, 23:34

Hey Rodge

I use a sling tank as a bailout. The discipline to use follows nicely from any OC training you may have, and as was said befoe Open loop works very well on the meg since the diluent CL is immediately upstream of your mouth.

This also reduces the number of failure points on your Rig.

I like to keep my CCR all to itself and have my reduncy in seperate system like sidemounts/sling tanks.

Cheers

Seb

jitka · 3rd March 2006, 15:38

Pelagian: Dil CL upstream? Did I miss a new major Meg design change - or is this a homebuilt change? I hear some people switch their CLs or tanks and cross hoses?
Coming from extensive OC cave background - I use the OC rules of bailout for myself and my team, might seem excesive - see attached picture

...
I believe on-board dil bailout will not be sufficient in any but very minimal exposure and we also stage O2 bailout... hmmm lots of work but we only need to do it once for several days of diving in one location.

Cheers, Jitka
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RonMicjan · 3rd March 2006, 15:54

ditch the air 2, the fastest breath of sanity gas is going "open loop/dil flush", your instructor will show you, but in effect it is crossing your arms over your counterlungs and with either hand (must be able to reach the ADV with either) pushing down on the ADV to flush the loop (takes about 2 seconds to completely exchange the loop) and at the same time you are inhaling off the loop and exhaling out your nose. The arm cross keeps the ADV from blowing up the counterlungs and screwing your bouyancy. NEVER count on your diluent as part of your bailout stragety, 1)there is not enough gas there, and the only thing worse than running out of gas, ... is doing it twice on the same dive. 2) did I say there is not enough gas there?
Do Open loop/dil flush and use that sanity gas to break out your stage/bailout gas.

Uh...Seb, the loop goes the other way dude... shall we plan on a refresher course for you during innerspace 06??

Patti says hi, she was remarking on what a sharp looking fella you were when we were looking at the video Chris made last year. I told her I would introduce y'all.

28th February 2006, 22:24	#1 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 674	How do you bail on your Meg? Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas.. 1. Just bail to offboard slingtank (not sure about this one because I want to be able to use DIL also in case low on air) 2. Put a Scubapro Air 2(reg and inflator in one)on my wing,hooked up from DIL tank (and a sling too of course) 3. Just take a normal seconstage and hang it from a bungy on my chest as usual,also coming from DIL tank.(maybe to much stuff on my chest?) Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter? Cheers Rodge Last edited by rogeringebo : 28th February 2006 at 22:25. Reason: typo
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28th February 2006, 22:38	#2 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,358	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas.. 1. Just bail to offboard slingtank (not sure about this one because I want to be able to use DIL also in case low on air) 2. Put a Scubapro Air 2(reg and inflator in one)on my wing,hooked up from DIL tank (and a sling too of course) 3. Just take a normal seconstage and hang it from a bungy on my chest as usual,also coming from DIL tank.(maybe to much stuff on my chest?) Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter? Cheers Rodge Don't have a meg yet but I have used airII as the immediate bailout in other units. Don't forget you have an open loop option as well to use dil in a non-compromised loop which will give you gas in the event of a scrubber breakthrough. I like the kiss bailout system except the drag and weight of the mouthpiece is a little annoying. I would say for me, sling main bailout and airII for emergency bailout. I believe Leon does not approve of that method though so we'll see soon enough. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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28th February 2006, 23:06	#3 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 686	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? In my basic user course, my instructor encouraged the use of a bungied back-up around the neck. This worked pretty well and was a nice transition from OC. It did tend to leave a fair amount of stuff around the neck/shoulders/chest area, but the muscle-memory was there for emergencies. In my CCR cave class a week or so ago, both of my instructors encouraged us (all of us had the same instructor for our user courses) to eliminate the bungied back-up and use a stage for bail-out purposes. the reasoning was that deep, you were only a few breaths away from emptying your onboard dil. I removed the bungied back-up for the class, making an effort for all of my bail-out drills to be to the stage bottle. In the end, it was pretty simple to do this. To me, both of these approaches have advantages & disadvantages. I think the 'best' solution is an integrated DSV/BOV with a focus on this being a temporary step to off-board for cases that require more than one or two breaths to sort out any questionable gas issues. My absolute last choice would be an integrated inflator/reg. I've been avoiding these since the 70's. I just can't see them as anything but a compromise for either an inflator or as a regulator (perhaps I'm closed-minded).
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1st March 2006, 02:02	#4 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 488	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas.. Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter? Cheers Rodge Hi Rodge, You mentionned in a previous post that you'll do your training on the Meg very soon. If your training is not completed yet, I strongly suggest for your course before changing anything on your unit (AIR2, OC/DSV, etc). I'm quite sure your instructor will give you first hand experience about the different bail-out options... Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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1st March 2006, 05:14	#5 (permalink)
bubnotbub Silent diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Italy Posts: 386	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? Hi Rodge, before you make any change on your MEG, wait the end of your course. The open loop work very well, better then others units than I used before. If you prefer to have a internal bailout, best choise for me is bungie on your chest. All the best Aldo Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Im playing my new Meg here an I am thinking about the best way to set it up for bail out. At this point I have 3 ideas.. 1. Just bail to offboard slingtank (not sure about this one because I want to be able to use DIL also in case low on air) 2. Put a Scubapro Air 2(reg and inflator in one)on my wing,hooked up from DIL tank (and a sling too of course) 3. Just take a normal seconstage and hang it from a bungy on my chest as usual,also coming from DIL tank.(maybe to much stuff on my chest?) Well,how do you do it and what is you idea on this matter? Cheers Rodge __________________ Aldo Ferrucci *Trimix and Rebreather IT* *Expedition Leader* *www.bubnotbub.com* I like bubbles only in my glass of Champagne
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1st March 2006, 06:03	#6 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 674	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? Hi! Thank you for your answers I know,Cedric and Aldo that you are both right ..but I am just a little eager to get in the water and that will not hapen in another 3 weeks so now I dream of diving and plan different configurations in my sleep Cheers Rodge
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1st March 2006, 07:57	#7 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? I use a slung 7lt. alu tank, whith an ATX40 for my OC buddies, an LP. hose to my inspire lung, and an LP. to my OC/DSV (BOV). On a deeper dive i will take a 7lt. EAN50 with reg. allso. On a recreational dive, as in setup one but with a 5lt. alu tank. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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1st March 2006, 23:34	#8 (permalink)
Pelagian Multi-Circuit Meg Monkey! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Optima Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 275	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? Hey Rodge I use a sling tank as a bailout. The discipline to use follows nicely from any OC training you may have, and as was said befoe Open loop works very well on the meg since the diluent CL is immediately upstream of your mouth. This also reduces the number of failure points on your Rig. I like to keep my CCR all to itself and have my reduncy in seperate system like sidemounts/sling tanks. Cheers Seb __________________ 'Because... I was Inverted!'
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3rd March 2006, 15:54	#10 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,082	Re: How do you bail on your Meg? ditch the air 2, the fastest breath of sanity gas is going "open loop/dil flush", your instructor will show you, but in effect it is crossing your arms over your counterlungs and with either hand (must be able to reach the ADV with either) pushing down on the ADV to flush the loop (takes about 2 seconds to completely exchange the loop) and at the same time you are inhaling off the loop and exhaling out your nose. The arm cross keeps the ADV from blowing up the counterlungs and screwing your bouyancy. NEVER count on your diluent as part of your bailout stragety, 1)there is not enough gas there, and the only thing worse than running out of gas, ... is doing it twice on the same dive. 2) did I say there is not enough gas there? Do Open loop/dil flush and use that sanity gas to break out your stage/bailout gas. Uh...Seb, the loop goes the other way dude... shall we plan on a refresher course for you during innerspace 06?? Patti says hi, she was remarking on what a sharp looking fella you were when we were looking at the video Chris made last year. I told her I would introduce y'all. __________________ Ron "Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you different, is selling something", The Dread Pirate Wesley. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc.
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