Rebreather Cross Training

devo · 23rd February 2006, 14:57

Since there is no such thing as a stupid question...

Do any of the CCR manufacturers accept training from the others. For example, if you got your Inspiration Mixed Gas training, would Dive Rite accept it?

onetime · 23rd February 2006, 15:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by devo)

Since there is no such thing as a stupid question...

Do any of the CCR manufacturers accept training from the others. For example, if you got your Inspiration Mixed Gas training, would Dive Rite accept it?

You are supposed to train on each unit and each has slightly different procedures. The good news is that most instructors give you a discount (from what I've been quoted about 40% off a full course) on the course as you don't need quite so much instruction. Of course, given that it's really just a few things about the unit that you have to become familiar with and of course some dives I would hope for a better discount than that.

Drmike · 23rd February 2006, 15:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime)

You are supposed to train on each unit and each has slightly different procedures. The good news is that most instructors give you a discount (from what I've been quoted about 40% off a full course) on the course as you don't need quite so much instruction. Of course, given that it's really just a few things about the unit that you have to become familiar with and of course some dives I would hope for a better discount than that.

bullshit - in what universe does this happen?

***schford*** · 23rd February 2006, 16:03

unfortunatly - cross over courses IMHO fail to exist when they should....

If i moved from a Shearwater Meg to an Evolution - I think I could work out the differences by RTFM....

But alas no doubt that would not happen!

onetime · 23rd February 2006, 16:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

bullshit - in what universe does this happen?

While brevity might be valued in your circles Doc, this post doesn't seem to offer much for discussion.

What part of it do you say is bullshit? Are you saying the manufacturers don't want you taking unit specific courses? Or are you saying there are no discounts? Or are you saying there should be no such thing?

Do I think you need a crossover course for each? Of course not that's why I said any unit specific training from an instructor should be considerably less than a full course price.

Drmike · 23rd February 2006, 16:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime)

What part of it? Are you saying the manufacturers don't want you taking unit specific courses? Or are you saying there are no discounts?

This part

Quote:

most instructors give you a discount (from what I've been quoted about 40% off a full course

Hey I wish I was wrong!

If you find an instructor willing to a) do a reduced length cross over course or b) give you a 40% discount on one, please post his name and details here so people know where to go.

**wedivebc** · 23rd February 2006, 16:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

bullshit - in what universe does this happen?

In this one http://www.customrebreathers.com/products.html
Leon is discounting my training because I already dive CCR.

Drmike · 23rd February 2006, 16:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

In this one http://www.customrebreathers.com/products.html
Leon is discounting my training because I already dive CCR.

I also know one or two instructors who will actually do a cross over course and will even sometimes do it at a discount - but its BS to say that 'most instructors' will

There are a few that will but they are the exception - not the rule.

Maybe it would be a good idea to put up a sticky of such instructors - maybe it would encourge more to do it?

onetime · 23rd February 2006, 16:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

This part

Hey I wish I was wrong!

If you find an instructor willing to a) do a reduced length cross over course or b) give you a 40% discount on one, please post his name and details here so people know where to go.

Of the three that I approached about it all three offered discounts. Unless I'm incredibly well liked or extremely lucky I'll stick with the "most" statement. There are few instructors that I've dealt with who aren't willing to work out reasonable fees based on your experience level, knowledge, and how much "teaching" will really be involved. They obviously don't have to go over much in the way of theory, just unit specific and perhaps some skills (in my case I'm a MCCR diver not ECCR so there's a couple of little things that would be different and specific to each unit).

I'm not going to post their names as it seems there might be some conflict with their being able to offer it based on the rules with the manufacturer (at least that's what I see in another thread here). If you can't get a discount then I suggest shopping around a bit more.

**wedivebc** · 23rd February 2006, 16:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I also know one or two instructors who will actually do a cross over course and will even sometimes do it at a discount - but its BS to say that 'most instructors' will

There are a few that will but they are the exception - not the rule.

Maybe it would be a good idea to put up a sticky of such instructors - maybe it would encourge more to do it?

I don't know most instructors, but I can honestly say most of the instructors I know will do crossovers on CCR because there is much repetition in Rebreather training and focusing on unit specifics save a lot of time. The exception I can think of is if the student is grouped with non-CCR divers and would have to wait for the others to get up to speed.

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devo New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 53	Rebreather Cross Training Since there is no such thing as a stupid question... Do any of the CCR manufacturers accept training from the others. For example, if you got your Inspiration Mixed Gas training, would Dive Rite accept it?
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23rd February 2006, 15:11	#2 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 650	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by devo) Since there is no such thing as a stupid question... Do any of the CCR manufacturers accept training from the others. For example, if you got your Inspiration Mixed Gas training, would Dive Rite accept it? You are supposed to train on each unit and each has slightly different procedures. The good news is that most instructors give you a discount (from what I've been quoted about 40% off a full course) on the course as you don't need quite so much instruction. Of course, given that it's really just a few things about the unit that you have to become familiar with and of course some dives I would hope for a better discount than that.
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23rd February 2006, 15:55	#3 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime) You are supposed to train on each unit and each has slightly different procedures. The good news is that most instructors give you a discount (from what I've been quoted about 40% off a full course) on the course as you don't need quite so much instruction. Of course, given that it's really just a few things about the unit that you have to become familiar with and of course some dives I would hope for a better discount than that. bullshit - in what universe does this happen? __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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23rd February 2006, 16:21	#5 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 650	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) bullshit - in what universe does this happen? While brevity might be valued in your circles Doc, this post doesn't seem to offer much for discussion. What part of it do you say is bullshit? Are you saying the manufacturers don't want you taking unit specific courses? Or are you saying there are no discounts? Or are you saying there should be no such thing? Do I think you need a crossover course for each? Of course not that's why I said any unit specific training from an instructor should be considerably less than a full course price. Last edited by onetime : 23rd February 2006 at 16:24.
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23rd February 2006, 16:25	#6 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by onetime) What part of it? Are you saying the manufacturers don't want you taking unit specific courses? Or are you saying there are no discounts? This part Quote: most instructors give you a discount (from what I've been quoted about 40% off a full course Hey I wish I was wrong! If you find an instructor willing to a) do a reduced length cross over course or b) give you a 40% discount on one, please post his name and details here so people know where to go. __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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23rd February 2006, 16:27	#7 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,337	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) bullshit - in what universe does this happen? In this one http://www.customrebreathers.com/products.html Leon is discounting my training because I already dive CCR. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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23rd February 2006, 16:29	#8 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) In this one http://www.customrebreathers.com/products.html Leon is discounting my training because I already dive CCR. I also know one or two instructors who will actually do a cross over course and will even sometimes do it at a discount - but its BS to say that 'most instructors' will There are a few that will but they are the exception - not the rule. Maybe it would be a good idea to put up a sticky of such instructors - maybe it would encourge more to do it? __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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23rd February 2006, 16:35	#9 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 650	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) This part Hey I wish I was wrong! If you find an instructor willing to a) do a reduced length cross over course or b) give you a 40% discount on one, please post his name and details here so people know where to go. Of the three that I approached about it all three offered discounts. Unless I'm incredibly well liked or extremely lucky I'll stick with the "most" statement. There are few instructors that I've dealt with who aren't willing to work out reasonable fees based on your experience level, knowledge, and how much "teaching" will really be involved. They obviously don't have to go over much in the way of theory, just unit specific and perhaps some skills (in my case I'm a MCCR diver not ECCR so there's a couple of little things that would be different and specific to each unit). I'm not going to post their names as it seems there might be some conflict with their being able to offer it based on the rules with the manufacturer (at least that's what I see in another thread here). If you can't get a discount then I suggest shopping around a bit more.
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23rd February 2006, 16:59	#10 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,337	Re: Rebreather Cross Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) I also know one or two instructors who will actually do a cross over course and will even sometimes do it at a discount - but its BS to say that 'most instructors' will There are a few that will but they are the exception - not the rule. Maybe it would be a good idea to put up a sticky of such instructors - maybe it would encourge more to do it? I don't know most instructors, but I can honestly say most of the instructors I know will do crossovers on CCR because there is much repetition in Rebreather training and focusing on unit specifics save a lot of time. The exception I can think of is if the student is grouped with non-CCR divers and would have to wait for the others to get up to speed. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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