Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving

deepnark · 21st February 2006, 17:35

what a bunch of girls (sorry girls) ,by April a 3mm shorty will be just fine

Drmike · 22nd February 2006, 02:58

Thanks guys - thats good info.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil)

Mike,

I guess it is for your Boris course with Phil in Chepstow or Stoney Cove. I did mine with Phil in October (top 14°C, bottom 8°C), after 4 days I had 15 hours on the unit. Be prepared for 2 dives a day a long one in the morning (2h to 3h) and a shorter one in the afternoon (1h to 1,5h). A little break of 1 hour between dives. Although I am fairly used to cold lake temperature 4°C. I must say that I was getting fairly cold at the end of the day.

Dry Gloves
DUI CF200X
DUI Ultra Thinsulate 400

Very important PEE VALVE on your dry suit! Otherwise

As usual you should concentrate on having multiple layers of good insulation quality rather then one thick jumpsuit. I did not apply this for the course thinking that my thinsulate would be OK.

With the above I only use 2Kg of weight, I could do with nothing, but like to have that little extra air/argon in the suit!

Cheers,

Hi Phil,

Yes Im doing the course with Phil at Stoney from 14th April.

I have the same set up as you, Drygloves, and thinsulate 400.

Only 2kg? Thats good to know. I am not a fat bastard and dont use lead on any unit when diving wet or dry (using the fleece only) Guess Ill have to wait and see if I need anything with the 400.

When you talk about the need for base layers - what would you recommend I get?

Do people use straws to allow the gloves to equalise or does everyone use those glove connecting systems?

topjake · 22nd February 2006, 06:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Thanks guys - thats good info.
Do people use straws to allow the gloves to equalise or does everyone use those glove connecting systems?

Mike

If you are using a dry glove setup with the ring connecting system such as the Si Tech and the wrist seal is in place you wil need a straw to equalize air between the suit and glove. (at least I find it to be a bit more comfortable).

I have had good success with the Diving Concepts dry glove snap-on kit on my DUI. It can be configured with the wrist seals in place or "open" ended direct to the glove.

Jake

Mark Chase · 22nd February 2006, 07:14

[quote=Drmike]Thanks guys - thats good info.

Hi Phil,

Yes Im doing the course with Phil at Stoney from 14th April.

When you talk about the need for base layers - what would you recommend I get?

[quote]

4th Element Base Layer would be my recomendation. Not cheep but much better than the cheep ones I had before.

ATB

Mark Chase

Drmike · 22nd February 2006, 08:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by topjake)

Mike

If you are using a dry glove setup with the ring connecting system such as the Si Tech and the wrist seal is in place you wil need a straw to equalize air between the suit and glove. (at least I find it to be a bit more comfortable).

I have had good success with the Diving Concepts dry glove snap-on kit on my DUI. It can be configured with the wrist seals in place or "open" ended direct to the glove.

Jake

I dont have the wrist ring system. The gloves have a tapered latex seal like the drysuit wrist seals - I presume to wear I put the drysuit on with its wrists seals not folded under and then put the gloves on with the glove seals folded under ontop of the flat drysuit seals??

A straw is placed under my drysuit wrist seal extending into the glove?

***Beanie*** · 22nd February 2006, 08:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I dont have the wrist ring system. The gloves have a tapered latex seal like the drysuit wrist seals - I presume to wear I put the drysuit on with its wrists seals not folded under and then put the gloves on with the glove seals folded under ontop of the flat drysuit seals??

A straw is placed under my drysuit wrist seal extending into the glove?

Have you latex seals on the drysuit?
In that case yes

iani · 22nd February 2006, 10:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I dont have the wrist ring system. The gloves have a tapered latex seal like the drysuit wrist seals - I presume to wear I put the drysuit on with its wrists seals not folded under and then put the gloves on with the glove seals folded under ontop of the flat drysuit seals??

A straw is placed under my drysuit wrist seal extending into the glove?

With the max depth you will do on the course you could probably get away without the straws but it will be uncomfortable (speaking from experience here). If you try to do the course over 4 days you will end up with some long runtimes and warmth/comfort becomes essential, not so bad over 5 days I suppose. Good luck with the course, 500 mins in Stoney isn't the most exciting diving you'll do but the unit is fun to learn.

Ian

***Beanie*** · 23rd February 2006, 08:13

Just a thought,

I have a weasle extreme you can borrow if you want size L not in use at the moment.
Drop me a line if its any use, and I'll take it up to Lou (close to Stoney)

Drmike · 23rd February 2006, 11:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

Just a thought,

I have a weasle extreme you can borrow if you want size L not in use at the moment.
Drop me a line if its any use, and I'll take it up to Lou (close to Stoney)

Thanks,

Would it be any good wearing the polartek fleece under the thinsulate?...Ill be using the fleece in the Redsea anyway - I expect.

***Beanie*** · 23rd February 2006, 11:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Thanks,

Would it be any good wearing the polartek fleece under the thinsulate?...Ill be using the fleece in the Redsea anyway - I expect.

I used to wear my 4th element fleece underneath it, very nice and warm, even with my at tiem very leaky drysuit. Thankfully I know have a nice O Three - toasty

21st February 2006, 17:35	#21 (permalink)
deepnark Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: norfolk uk Posts: 179	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving what a bunch of girls (sorry girls) ,by April a 3mm shorty will be just fine
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Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,300	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Thanks guys - thats good info. Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil) Mike, I guess it is for your Boris course with Phil in Chepstow or Stoney Cove. I did mine with Phil in October (top 14°C, bottom 8°C), after 4 days I had 15 hours on the unit. Be prepared for 2 dives a day a long one in the morning (2h to 3h) and a shorter one in the afternoon (1h to 1,5h). A little break of 1 hour between dives. Although I am fairly used to cold lake temperature 4°C. I must say that I was getting fairly cold at the end of the day. Dry Gloves DUI CF200X DUI Ultra Thinsulate 400 Very important PEE VALVE on your dry suit! Otherwise As usual you should concentrate on having multiple layers of good insulation quality rather then one thick jumpsuit. I did not apply this for the course thinking that my thinsulate would be OK. With the above I only use 2Kg of weight, I could do with nothing, but like to have that little extra air/argon in the suit! Cheers, Hi Phil, Yes Im doing the course with Phil at Stoney from 14th April. I have the same set up as you, Drygloves, and thinsulate 400. Only 2kg? Thats good to know. I am not a fat bastard and dont use lead on any unit when diving wet or dry (using the fleece only) Guess Ill have to wait and see if I need anything with the 400. When you talk about the need for base layers - what would you recommend I get? Do people use straws to allow the gloves to equalise or does everyone use those glove connecting systems? __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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22nd February 2006, 06:03	#23 (permalink)
topjake Diving the Last Frontier Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 6	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Thanks guys - thats good info. Do people use straws to allow the gloves to equalise or does everyone use those glove connecting systems? Mike If you are using a dry glove setup with the ring connecting system such as the Si Tech and the wrist seal is in place you wil need a straw to equalize air between the suit and glove. (at least I find it to be a bit more comfortable). I have had good success with the Diving Concepts dry glove snap-on kit on my DUI. It can be configured with the wrist seals in place or "open" ended direct to the glove. Jake
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22nd February 2006, 07:14	#24 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,693	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving [quote=Drmike]Thanks guys - thats good info. Hi Phil, Yes Im doing the course with Phil at Stoney from 14th April. When you talk about the need for base layers - what would you recommend I get? [quote] 4th Element Base Layer would be my recomendation. Not cheep but much better than the cheep ones I had before. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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22nd February 2006, 08:10	#25 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,300	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Quote: (Originally Posted by topjake) Mike If you are using a dry glove setup with the ring connecting system such as the Si Tech and the wrist seal is in place you wil need a straw to equalize air between the suit and glove. (at least I find it to be a bit more comfortable). I have had good success with the Diving Concepts dry glove snap-on kit on my DUI. It can be configured with the wrist seals in place or "open" ended direct to the glove. Jake I dont have the wrist ring system. The gloves have a tapered latex seal like the drysuit wrist seals - I presume to wear I put the drysuit on with its wrists seals not folded under and then put the gloves on with the glove seals folded under ontop of the flat drysuit seals?? A straw is placed under my drysuit wrist seal extending into the glove? __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 22nd February 2006 at 08:13.
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22nd February 2006, 08:30	#26 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,247	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) I dont have the wrist ring system. The gloves have a tapered latex seal like the drysuit wrist seals - I presume to wear I put the drysuit on with its wrists seals not folded under and then put the gloves on with the glove seals folded under ontop of the flat drysuit seals?? A straw is placed under my drysuit wrist seal extending into the glove? Have you latex seals on the drysuit? In that case yes __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk 0871 242 7808
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22nd February 2006, 10:52	#27 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) I dont have the wrist ring system. The gloves have a tapered latex seal like the drysuit wrist seals - I presume to wear I put the drysuit on with its wrists seals not folded under and then put the gloves on with the glove seals folded under ontop of the flat drysuit seals?? A straw is placed under my drysuit wrist seal extending into the glove? With the max depth you will do on the course you could probably get away without the straws but it will be uncomfortable (speaking from experience here). If you try to do the course over 4 days you will end up with some long runtimes and warmth/comfort becomes essential, not so bad over 5 days I suppose. Good luck with the course, 500 mins in Stoney isn't the most exciting diving you'll do but the unit is fun to learn. Ian
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23rd February 2006, 08:13	#28 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,247	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Just a thought, I have a weasle extreme you can borrow if you want size L not in use at the moment. Drop me a line if its any use, and I'll take it up to Lou (close to Stoney) __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk 0871 242 7808
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23rd February 2006, 11:08	#29 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,300	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) Just a thought, I have a weasle extreme you can borrow if you want size L not in use at the moment. Drop me a line if its any use, and I'll take it up to Lou (close to Stoney) Thanks, Would it be any good wearing the polartek fleece under the thinsulate?...Ill be using the fleece in the Redsea anyway - I expect. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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23rd February 2006, 11:38	#30 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,247	Re: Cold water (7-10 deg C) UK Rebreather diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Thanks, Would it be any good wearing the polartek fleece under the thinsulate?...Ill be using the fleece in the Redsea anyway - I expect. I used to wear my 4th element fleece underneath it, very nice and warm, even with my at tiem very leaky drysuit. Thankfully I know have a nice O Three - toasty __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk 0871 242 7808
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