Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg?

rogeringebo · 9th March 2006, 07:08

Hi Dan!
First I have to say that I have not dived my Meg yet cause my course is in 2 weeks but I have dived simular setups..
You know how much I struggeled with my CK,I tore that machine apart almost every week,broken circuits,the magnet breakers a few times and plenty more.Did not like the OC/DSV (bailed on 65m and it did not perform well)My Adv was not working great so I like the thought of being able to inject dil manually by just a push of a button,I dived another OTS-lung rebreather and it is much easyer to breathe.
Last but not least,the quality of the Meg is of another world..
As soon as I get back from Norway and my corse I will take it for a few testspins in Vagnhärad and we could meet there so you can have a look or even a go if you like

Cheers
Rodge

Dan · 9th March 2006, 07:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Hello Dan, first off, why would you take the CL position out of the equation? IMHO it's a major benefit. Having spent a couple of hrs on the CK I can tell you that it requires a lot more effort to breathe than my Prism. ...-Andy

I am quite satisfied with the WOB on my CK, but maybe I am happily unaware

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Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

...Also, the Meg scrubber is insulated and the CK is not, except by the plastic housing. It is easier to flush and has a manual dil add. And it is more flood proof, as mentioned above. ...-Andy

THIS is something worth consider!
Of course you can add a manual dil to a CK, but I agree that the scrubber seem to be a better construction.
//Dan

silent running · 9th March 2006, 07:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dan)

Of course you can add a manual dil to a CK,//Dan

Unless I'm forgetting something, don't you have to reach back around to the ADV to do this, and then push the diaphram/purge? Maybe I should have said "you can't easily manually add dil". I meant that it has no dil add button. Sorry, -Andy

Dan · 9th March 2006, 07:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

Hi Dan!
... I will take it for a few testspins in Vagnhärad and we could meet there so you can have a look or even a go if you like

Cheers
Rodge

Definitely!
//Dan

jhaaja · 9th March 2006, 07:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dan)

Definitely!
//Dan

I will also come and and check the Meg out live!

JH
Finland

Dan · 9th March 2006, 07:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Unless I'm forgetting something, don't you have to reach back around to the ADV to do this, and then push the diaphram/purge? Maybe I should have said "you can't easily manually add dil". I meant that it has no dil add button. Sorry, -Andy

You have right, but have you seen my arms?

You have to do some mod on the ADV, but it can be done!
One example is Peder Seippel's manually add on his SK:9b6f.jpg

//Dan

Ken · 9th March 2006, 11:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Hello Ken, I think there is more than one way to blow an expensive trip. Do flooded 1 ATA KISS displays qualify as an electronics failure? Any unit with a wiring harness and sensors can and will give you problems to solve. The question is: How easy is it to solve the problem? -Andy

I'd say flooding a KISS display is doing it pretty good. Have had flooded YBOD displays in the past. Nothing like coming up from a deep dive and seeing water swishing about.

Also, getting the flu before the trip qualifies.

Just to cover myself I ordered extra Kiss electronics. So far, I have not had to use them. Crossing my fingers for now.

On any trip with OC gorillas in tow I make sure to shield all my electronics with hard covers, plastic etc. I've seen too many instances where someone lunches someone else's stuff. As careful as the others may be on a boat, I would Murphy's is always in tow...especially on some the NE boats out here.

lizardland · 9th March 2006, 13:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken)

On any trip with OC gorillas in tow I make sure to shield all my electronics with hard covers, plastic etc. I've seen too many instances where someone lunches someone else's stuff. As careful as the others may be on a boat, I would Murphy's is always in tow...especially on some the NE boats out here

Not just on boats, Ken!!! I had the electronics case on a homebuild open on a platform by the edge of the water in a quarry. Turned by back for a minute only to find some muppet had dumped his wet fins right on top of it. Needless to say they accidentally fell in the water. And yep, they were OC divers of the anti-Rebreather, everyone else is wrong, socially dysfunctional flavour...

Ken · 9th March 2006, 13:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Not just on boats, Ken!!! I had the electronics case on a homebuild open on a platform by the edge of the water in a quarry. Turned by back for a minute only to find some muppet had dumped his wet fins right on top of it. Needless to say they accidentally fell in the water. And yep, they were OC divers of the anti-Rebreather, everyone else is wrong, socially dysfunctional flavour...

You were very kind to only to misplace their fins.

In the end there is only one long term remedy to this type of OC/anti Rebreather/dysfunctional problem - KILL THEM ALL

. Explanation - I am on my third cup of coffee doing endless paperwork dealing with dysfunctional youth who really need incarceration vs. support therapy.

lizardland · 9th March 2006, 15:42

Harsh but fair

9th March 2006, 07:08	#41 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 690	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Hi Dan! First I have to say that I have not dived my Meg yet cause my course is in 2 weeks but I have dived simular setups.. You know how much I struggeled with my CK,I tore that machine apart almost every week,broken circuits,the magnet breakers a few times and plenty more.Did not like the OC/DSV (bailed on 65m and it did not perform well)My Adv was not working great so I like the thought of being able to inject dil manually by just a push of a button,I dived another OTS-lung rebreather and it is much easyer to breathe. Last but not least,the quality of the Meg is of another world.. As soon as I get back from Norway and my corse I will take it for a few testspins in Vagnhärad and we could meet there so you can have a look or even a go if you like Cheers Rodge
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9th March 2006, 07:12	#42 (permalink)
Dan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: SWEDEN Posts: 71	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Hello Dan, first off, why would you take the CL position out of the equation? IMHO it's a major benefit. Having spent a couple of hrs on the CK I can tell you that it requires a lot more effort to breathe than my Prism. ...-Andy I am quite satisfied with the WOB on my CK, but maybe I am happily unaware. Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) ...Also, the Meg scrubber is insulated and the CK is not, except by the plastic housing. It is easier to flush and has a manual dil add. And it is more flood proof, as mentioned above. ...-Andy THIS is something worth consider! Of course you can add a manual dil to a CK, but I agree that the scrubber seem to be a better construction. //Dan
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9th March 2006, 07:26	#43 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,813	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dan) Of course you can add a manual dil to a CK,//Dan Unless I'm forgetting something, don't you have to reach back around to the ADV to do this, and then push the diaphram/purge? Maybe I should have said "you can't easily manually add dil". I meant that it has no dil add button. Sorry, -Andy
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9th March 2006, 07:47	#44 (permalink)
Dan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: SWEDEN Posts: 71	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) Hi Dan! ... I will take it for a few testspins in Vagnhärad and we could meet there so you can have a look or even a go if you like Cheers Rodge Definitely! //Dan
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9th March 2006, 07:49	#45 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 883	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dan) Definitely! //Dan I will also come and and check the Meg out live! JH Finland
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9th March 2006, 07:59	#46 (permalink)
Dan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: SWEDEN Posts: 71	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Unless I'm forgetting something, don't you have to reach back around to the ADV to do this, and then push the diaphram/purge? Maybe I should have said "you can't easily manually add dil". I meant that it has no dil add button. Sorry, -Andy You have right, but have you seen my arms? You have to do some mod on the ADV, but it can be done! One example is Peder Seippel's manually add on his SK:9b6f.jpg //Dan
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9th March 2006, 11:39	#47 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 323	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Hello Ken, I think there is more than one way to blow an expensive trip. Do flooded 1 ATA KISS displays qualify as an electronics failure? Any unit with a wiring harness and sensors can and will give you problems to solve. The question is: How easy is it to solve the problem? -Andy I'd say flooding a KISS display is doing it pretty good. Have had flooded YBOD displays in the past. Nothing like coming up from a deep dive and seeing water swishing about. Also, getting the flu before the trip qualifies. Just to cover myself I ordered extra Kiss electronics. So far, I have not had to use them. Crossing my fingers for now. On any trip with OC gorillas in tow I make sure to shield all my electronics with hard covers, plastic etc. I've seen too many instances where someone lunches someone else's stuff. As careful as the others may be on a boat, I would Murphy's is always in tow...especially on some the NE boats out here.
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9th March 2006, 13:21	#48 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,250	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ken) On any trip with OC gorillas in tow I make sure to shield all my electronics with hard covers, plastic etc. I've seen too many instances where someone lunches someone else's stuff. As careful as the others may be on a boat, I would Murphy's is always in tow...especially on some the NE boats out here Not just on boats, Ken!!! I had the electronics case on a homebuild open on a platform by the edge of the water in a quarry. Turned by back for a minute only to find some muppet had dumped his wet fins right on top of it. Needless to say they accidentally fell in the water. And yep, they were OC divers of the anti-Rebreather, everyone else is wrong, socially dysfunctional flavour... __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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9th March 2006, 13:47	#49 (permalink)
Ken Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 323	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Not just on boats, Ken!!! I had the electronics case on a homebuild open on a platform by the edge of the water in a quarry. Turned by back for a minute only to find some muppet had dumped his wet fins right on top of it. Needless to say they accidentally fell in the water. And yep, they were OC divers of the anti-Rebreather, everyone else is wrong, socially dysfunctional flavour... You were very kind to only to misplace their fins. In the end there is only one long term remedy to this type of OC/anti Rebreather/dysfunctional problem - KILL THEM ALL . Explanation - I am on my third cup of coffee doing endless paperwork dealing with dysfunctional youth who really need incarceration vs. support therapy.
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9th March 2006, 15:42	#50 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,250	Re: Should I sell my KISS and buy a Meg? Harsh but fair __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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