Long hose bail out!

Nick uk. · 30th January 2006, 13:07

Does anybody use a long hose on their stages for bail out?

Your reasons why, why not......................

Thanks.

lizardland · 30th January 2006, 13:18

I sometimes add a long hose on my bail out if I'm diving with an OC partner so I could still donate gas easily (then pass off the bottle) as that is what they'd expect in an emergency. Otherwise I don't, if I'm diving with a CC partner then I'd expect them to have adequate, independant bail out. On my stages I usually have 1m hoses for my own use so I ccan route the hose round the back of my head DIR style when I'm using it (they have some good ideas

).

Cheers,

Stuart

Nad · 30th January 2006, 13:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.)

Does anybody use a long hose on their stages for bail out?

Your reasons why, why not......................

Thanks.

Hi Nick,
I use a 150 cm hose on my Bailout.
Easy to give the reg away to a buddy.
Easy to have the hose on my neck (as with OC).

Best,

Nad

Nick uk. · 30th January 2006, 16:34

Hi Nad,
Thats what i was thinking, tommorow i'm giving a 2mt. hose a try, the two mt.s may come in handy if having to exit a wreck in single file.

Hey Nad, i'll see you soon at Eudi!!

Bring your freind 'Boris', i'd like to meet him/her..................

***EBT*** · 30th January 2006, 16:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.)

Hi Nad,
Thats what i was thinking, tommorow i'm giving a 2mt. hose a try, the two mt.s may come in handy if having to exit a wreck in single file.

Why not just pass off your stage?

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 16:59

I use a 5' hose primarily because I'm cave diving. Yes you could just hand off the stage but in that situation my first action would be pass off the second stage before your buddy reaches a panic state and then when everything is cool pass off the stage.

Scott

vulcan · 30th January 2006, 17:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Why not just pass off your stage?

I'm probably showing my inexperience here.

If you pass off your stage are you not giving away your bailout, leaving you in the brown smelly stuff if your unit decides to go belly up?

Maybe I should mention that the only bailout I carry is on my (single) stage. Is this relatively uncommon? I know that the APD units come with Auto Air, (stiffles small snigger

) but most users of these I've seen don't seem to have them fitted anymore and use other methods.

Nick uk. · 30th January 2006, 17:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Why not just pass off your stage?

You never know when you might need it back again!

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 18:01

You are in fact giving away your bailout, but the fact of the matter is if your diving as a team you are only planning for one failure. ie Say for example you are planning a cave dive with another CCR diver. The rule is you need 1.5 times the amount of bailout gas to get one diver out. So thoeretically what should happen is when the diver on the bailout only breaths down his B/O lets say a third and then while swimming you and your buddy should swap B/O's so that in that case you would always have a B/O with some sort of gas in them. This is a skill that we practice cave diving

Now if your diving with and O/C buddy that could be a bit different. I usally carry an 80 because most of the time that equals at least 1/3 of the O/C divers back gas. The same rule still applies in this situation as well except your relying on the O/C diver using the rule of thirds with his back gas for you to use. The best configuration for the CCR diver in my mind would be to split the bailout gas. ie if you need 80 cuft carry 2 X 40's or CCR diver carry one and get the O/C diver to carry the other

.

Scott

decoweenie · 30th January 2006, 18:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

Say for example you are planning a cave dive with another CCR diver. The rule is you need 1.5 times the amount of bailout gas to get one diver out.

I think it is important that I should point out this is per IANTD rule/recommendation (AFAIK), and not a universal rule like 1/3 as on OC.

Not everyone is CCR cave diving with this rule like the minimum of 1/3 as on OC.

30th January 2006, 13:07	#1 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Long hose bail out! Does anybody use a long hose on their stages for bail out? Your reasons why, why not...................... Thanks. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 13:18	#2 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Ray Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,138	Re: Long hose bail out! I sometimes add a long hose on my bail out if I'm diving with an OC partner so I could still donate gas easily (then pass off the bottle) as that is what they'd expect in an emergency. Otherwise I don't, if I'm diving with a CC partner then I'd expect them to have adequate, independant bail out. On my stages I usually have 1m hoses for my own use so I ccan route the hose round the back of my head DIR style when I'm using it (they have some good ideas ). Cheers, Stuart __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
(Online)

30th January 2006, 13:25	#3 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 925	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.) Does anybody use a long hose on their stages for bail out? Your reasons why, why not...................... Thanks. Hi Nick, I use a 150 cm hose on my Bailout. Easy to give the reg away to a buddy. Easy to have the hose on my neck (as with OC). Best, Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 16:34	#4 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Re: Long hose bail out! Hi Nad, Thats what i was thinking, tommorow i'm giving a 2mt. hose a try, the two mt.s may come in handy if having to exit a wreck in single file. Hey Nad, i'll see you soon at Eudi!! Bring your freind 'Boris', i'd like to meet him/her.................. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 16:53	#5 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,826	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.) Hi Nad, Thats what i was thinking, tommorow i'm giving a 2mt. hose a try, the two mt.s may come in handy if having to exit a wreck in single file. Why not just pass off your stage? __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 16:59	#6 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 545	Re: Long hose bail out! I use a 5' hose primarily because I'm cave diving. Yes you could just hand off the stage but in that situation my first action would be pass off the second stage before your buddy reaches a panic state and then when everything is cool pass off the stage. Scott
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 17:35	#7 (permalink)
vulcan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mansfield Nottinghamshire UK Posts: 26	Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Why not just pass off your stage? I'm probably showing my inexperience here. If you pass off your stage are you not giving away your bailout, leaving you in the brown smelly stuff if your unit decides to go belly up? Maybe I should mention that the only bailout I carry is on my (single) stage. Is this relatively uncommon? I know that the APD units come with Auto Air, (stiffles small snigger ) but most users of these I've seen don't seem to have them fitted anymore and use other methods. __________________ "Blessed are they who learn from their mistakes. For they shall make, if not necessarily fewer of them, different and more interesting ones." Martin
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 17:57	#8 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Why not just pass off your stage? You never know when you might need it back again! __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 18:01	#9 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 545	Re: Long hose bail out! You are in fact giving away your bailout, but the fact of the matter is if your diving as a team you are only planning for one failure. ie Say for example you are planning a cave dive with another CCR diver. The rule is you need 1.5 times the amount of bailout gas to get one diver out. So thoeretically what should happen is when the diver on the bailout only breaths down his B/O lets say a third and then while swimming you and your buddy should swap B/O's so that in that case you would always have a B/O with some sort of gas in them. This is a skill that we practice cave diving Now if your diving with and O/C buddy that could be a bit different. I usally carry an 80 because most of the time that equals at least 1/3 of the O/C divers back gas. The same rule still applies in this situation as well except your relying on the O/C diver using the rule of thirds with his back gas for you to use. The best configuration for the CCR diver in my mind would be to split the bailout gas. ie if you need 80 cuft carry 2 X 40's or CCR diver carry one and get the O/C diver to carry the other . Scott
(Offline)

30th January 2006, 18:52	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,509	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) Say for example you are planning a cave dive with another CCR diver. The rule is you need 1.5 times the amount of bailout gas to get one diver out. I think it is important that I should point out this is per IANTD rule/recommendation (AFAIK), and not a universal rule like 1/3 as on OC. Not everyone is CCR cave diving with this rule like the minimum of 1/3 as on OC. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
(Offline)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode