Long hose bail out!

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 18:55

What are other agencies using? More? Less?

decoweenie · 30th January 2006, 19:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

What are other agencies using? More? Less?

Actually, I don't know since I don't teach cave diving.

But personally, I carry enough OC-bail-out by myself to get 1 diver out. And not the whole team carries enough for 1.5 diver out.

The difference is (IMHO) the larger the team, the less redundancy it is by the team approach since you have higher number of failure possibilities (higher number of divers on CC) yet each diver carries less gas as the total is still 1.5 diver.

If my buddy does the same, than we could self-rescue. Or have twice the redundancy for 1 failure.

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 19:05

Too much B/O is never a bad thing. And if you have a lot of members on your team 9 times out of 10 your going to more than enough B/O anyways.

***EBT*** · 30th January 2006, 19:18

Interesting question isnt it? I guess you have to be diving with someone who has no bailout (personally I dont dive with these people and if they have a problem, its their tough titty).

I wouldnt bother with a 2m hose, since if my buddy is bailed out, he can use his own bailout and swap with me when his gets down to 1/2 full.

Like phi, Im a fan of being able to bail myself out if I need it. There will be dives where its not feasible to carry enough bailout. At that point, I either stage it before the dive.... or possibly have to look into other options (bailout breather/team gas etc)

/Zak

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 19:22

Maybe I was misunderstood. Bottom line is I would never dive without a B/O and if I dive with another CCR diver they will be carrying some sort of B/O as well or they won't be diving with me.

Scott

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 19:23

A longer hose would be more benifical to a O/C diver which most of my dives are.

Nad · 30th January 2006, 22:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

A longer hose would be more benifical to a O/C diver which most of my dives are.

First of all, in case of BO lost we call the dive. During this time to the surface my buddy maybe just need a quick bailout to check on the CC malfunctioning. In this case he don't need the tank but just few breaths.
However as someone said before it is better to give the regulator quickly then, eventually, the rest of the BO (tank).

Nad

Nad · 30th January 2006, 22:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.)

Hi Nad,
Thats what i was thinking, tommorow i'm giving a 2mt. hose a try, the two mt.s may come in handy if having to exit a wreck in single file.

Hey Nad, i'll see you soon at Eudi!!

Bring your freind 'Boris', i'd like to meet him/her..................

Hi Nick,
Him...Boris his a male.

However yes I will bring him there because I'm plannig a quiet dive somewhere, probably the Haven.
I'll let you know.
See you soon.

Nad

sensor330 · 30th January 2006, 22:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

First of all, in case of BO lost we call the dive. During this time to the surface my buddy maybe just need a quick bailout to check on the CC malfunctioning. In this case he don't need the tank but just few breaths.
However as someone said before it is better to give the regulator quickly then, eventually, the rest of the BO (tank).

Nad

Surfacing is a option if your not in an overhead enviroment. When cave diving we don't have that luxury.

Scott

Nad · 31st January 2006, 08:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

Surfacing is a option if your not in an overhead enviroment. When cave diving we don't have that luxury.

Scott

Of course! One more point for the long hose.

Nad

30th January 2006, 18:55	#11 (permalink)
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30th January 2006, 19:01	#12 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) What are other agencies using? More? Less? Actually, I don't know since I don't teach cave diving. But personally, I carry enough OC-bail-out by myself to get 1 diver out. And not the whole team carries enough for 1.5 diver out. The difference is (IMHO) the larger the team, the less redundancy it is by the team approach since you have higher number of failure possibilities (higher number of divers on CC) yet each diver carries less gas as the total is still 1.5 diver. If my buddy does the same, than we could self-rescue. Or have twice the redundancy for 1 failure. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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30th January 2006, 19:18	#14 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,997	Re: Long hose bail out! Interesting question isnt it? I guess you have to be diving with someone who has no bailout (personally I dont dive with these people and if they have a problem, its their tough titty). I wouldnt bother with a 2m hose, since if my buddy is bailed out, he can use his own bailout and swap with me when his gets down to 1/2 full. Like phi, Im a fan of being able to bail myself out if I need it. There will be dives where its not feasible to carry enough bailout. At that point, I either stage it before the dive.... or possibly have to look into other options (bailout breather/team gas etc) /Zak __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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30th January 2006, 19:22	#15 (permalink)
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30th January 2006, 19:23	#16 (permalink)
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30th January 2006, 22:33	#17 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 983	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) A longer hose would be more benifical to a O/C diver which most of my dives are. First of all, in case of BO lost we call the dive. During this time to the surface my buddy maybe just need a quick bailout to check on the CC malfunctioning. In this case he don't need the tank but just few breaths. However as someone said before it is better to give the regulator quickly then, eventually, the rest of the BO (tank). Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th January 2006, 22:36	#18 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 983	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.) Hi Nad, Thats what i was thinking, tommorow i'm giving a 2mt. hose a try, the two mt.s may come in handy if having to exit a wreck in single file. Hey Nad, i'll see you soon at Eudi!! Bring your freind 'Boris', i'd like to meet him/her.................. Hi Nick, Him...Boris his a male. However yes I will bring him there because I'm plannig a quiet dive somewhere, probably the Haven. I'll let you know. See you soon. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th January 2006, 22:48	#19 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 581	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) First of all, in case of BO lost we call the dive. During this time to the surface my buddy maybe just need a quick bailout to check on the CC malfunctioning. In this case he don't need the tank but just few breaths. However as someone said before it is better to give the regulator quickly then, eventually, the rest of the BO (tank). Nad Surfacing is a option if your not in an overhead enviroment. When cave diving we don't have that luxury. Scott
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31st January 2006, 08:04	#20 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 983	Re: Long hose bail out! Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) Surfacing is a option if your not in an overhead enviroment. When cave diving we don't have that luxury. Scott Of course! One more point for the long hose. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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