HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather?

decoweenie · 31st January 2006, 10:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

Is the Ouroborus that big? Or do you mean that heavy? From what I see it isn't a monster.

I am just asking, Fil. Do you have any pictures of your Boris sitting next to your YBOD to show me ?

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What exactly can you suggest that would make a CCR THAT different. After all all you need is O2, diluent, counterlung(s) and a scrubber (O2 controler/monitor optional

). Maybe Kevin Gurr or Martin Parker should go have a chat with Pininfarina?

Is the MK-15 looking anything like the YBOD/Meg/Prism/etc ?

Are you telling that the Boris doesn't look different than the typical scrubber-in-between-2-tanks-with-OTS-CL bridgade ?

At least the Dive-Rite is looking different...

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Ergonomics has always been an issue with me but I rarely see it high on a designer's list of things to do.

Who said anything about ergonomics ?

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Rebreather-80 clone? You imply they were the first to design that type of rebreather, I believe you are very much mistaken.

If you are referring to the DC-55, then of course everyone knows about that. All I am saying is everyone in Germany seems to be jumping on the copy-the-Rebreather-80 wagon last year.

CCR900 · 31st January 2006, 11:00

Ref. Ouroborus, I will be going to the UK next week, i'll you send you some photos on my return.

As I see it there are three basic shapes:

Long Tube - RB80
Short Tube - Kiss & Meg
In a Box - Inspiration and the like

Do you really think sticking everything in a napsack (backpack) makes a giant leap for CCR design inovation? NOT!

This Hydrospace Neptune rebreather falls in Short Tube but it definatly belongs in the "homebuild" section.

F

Ben Field · 31st January 2006, 11:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

This Hydrospace Neptune rebreather falls in Short Tube but it definatly belongs in the "homebuild" section.F

Well I think its fair to say that with the exception of the Mk15/16/15.5 family all the others mentioned started as homebuilds! The likes of the CK make no bones about it even though the design has matured, the YBOD, Meg etc have come along way from their first iterations to the gleaming joy-boxes they now are.

Phi has a point, what was the last Rebreather revolution- The Optima design is nothing new (owes alot to Bob Howels homebuild) but is the first commercial apperance of the CTSS (Cross the Shoulders scrubber

) The Boris is different from the current crop but has an obvious design inspiration in the Mk15 family, so what is new under the sun these days and does it matter?

The SportKISS Scrubber perhaps?

BEN

decoweenie · 31st January 2006, 11:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

Do you really think sticking everything in a napsack (backpack) makes a giant leap for CCR design inovation? NOT!

I give up...

You better send me some pictures of the Boris so I could drool over them...

decoweenie · 31st January 2006, 11:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

The SportKISS Scrubber perhaps?

DING! DING! DING!

I think you should win a prize for that.

TR300 · 31st January 2006, 11:33

What should so magic on a rebreather design, the main things are the scrubber and the counterlung.
the way we positioning these is just design. how many possibilities we have ? (front, side and back of the diver) so let see:

scrubber on the back , CL on the back (on top, behind, under the scrubber)
scrubber on the back , CL OTS
scrubber on the front , CL on the front (or over the neck like OTS)
scrubber beside you , counterlung beside you

now the design makes some changes in WOB. The most thing is if the diver like the positions (scrubber and CL) thats all. all these rebreathers works (doing his job).

Holger

* forget I something

paulraymaekers · 31st January 2006, 11:39

eeeuuhh, imHo, the rEvo is different from the last designs

dual scrubber design, bm counterlung but extremely flat, (due to curved backplate that fits your back), integrated manual addition valves for dil and oxi (= even less tubes before your chest)...

regards
paul

TR300 · 31st January 2006, 11:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

eeeuuhh, imHo, the rEvo is different from the last designs

dual scrubber design, bm counterlung but extremely flat, (due to curved backplate that fits your back), integrated manual addition valves for dil and oxi (= even less tubes before your chest)...

regards
paul

Hi Paul don't see any different (expect the design),
you have "counterlung on the back, behind the scrubber"

But your design is special and (for me) good looking

perhaps If I being near you I just knock on your door for an dive

Holger

CCR900 · 31st January 2006, 12:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Well I think its fair to say that with the exception of the Mk15/16/15.5 family all the others mentioned started as homebuilds!

Phi has a point, what was the last Rebreather revolution- The Optima design is nothing new (owes alot to Bob Howels homebuild) but is the first commercial apperance of the CTSS (Cross the Shoulders scrubber

)

BEN

Ben

I agree all rebreathers start as home builds but its probbaly not a good idea to try and sell them as a completed project until build quality is of a reasonable standard.

CTSS has been done before and I found it limits the size and most importantly the length of the tanks you want to use.

Phi

I am being rather dry today sorry, don't give up on me

.

Fil

Phi

Ben Field · 31st January 2006, 12:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

eeeuuhh, imHo, the rEvo is different from the last designs

dual scrubber design, bm counterlung but extremely flat, (due to curved backplate that fits your back), integrated manual addition valves for dil and oxi (= even less tubes before your chest)...

Hmm... but its not released yet, so it doesn't count does it?

Is there a thread or better yet a URL for all things rEvo?
Not much I can tell from the pictures, certainly got a pretty neat wrist mounted computer design... still nothing awfully original, lots of Russian rebreathers use a double scrubber (admittedly sometimes one has O3 in it) and backmounted/builtin dil and O2 injectors.

BEN

31st January 2006, 10:35	#11 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) Is the Ouroborus that big? Or do you mean that heavy? From what I see it isn't a monster. I am just asking, Fil. Do you have any pictures of your Boris sitting next to your YBOD to show me ? Quote: What exactly can you suggest that would make a CCR THAT different. After all all you need is O2, diluent, counterlung(s) and a scrubber (O2 controler/monitor optional ). Maybe Kevin Gurr or Martin Parker should go have a chat with Pininfarina? Is the MK-15 looking anything like the YBOD/Meg/Prism/etc ? Are you telling that the Boris doesn't look different than the typical scrubber-in-between-2-tanks-with-OTS-CL bridgade ? At least the Dive-Rite is looking different... Quote: Ergonomics has always been an issue with me but I rarely see it high on a designer's list of things to do. Who said anything about ergonomics ? Quote: Rebreather-80 clone? You imply they were the first to design that type of rebreather, I believe you are very much mistaken. If you are referring to the DC-55, then of course everyone knows about that. All I am saying is everyone in Germany seems to be jumping on the copy-the-Rebreather-80 wagon last year. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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31st January 2006, 11:00	#12 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Ref. Ouroborus, I will be going to the UK next week, i'll you send you some photos on my return. As I see it there are three basic shapes: Long Tube - RB80 Short Tube - Kiss & Meg In a Box - Inspiration and the like Do you really think sticking everything in a napsack (backpack) makes a giant leap for CCR design inovation? NOT! This Hydrospace Neptune rebreather falls in Short Tube but it definatly belongs in the "homebuild" section. F
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31st January 2006, 11:11	#13 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,635	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) This Hydrospace Neptune rebreather falls in Short Tube but it definatly belongs in the "homebuild" section.F Well I think its fair to say that with the exception of the Mk15/16/15.5 family all the others mentioned started as homebuilds! The likes of the CK make no bones about it even though the design has matured, the YBOD, Meg etc have come along way from their first iterations to the gleaming joy-boxes they now are. Phi has a point, what was the last Rebreather revolution- The Optima design is nothing new (owes alot to Bob Howels homebuild) but is the first commercial apperance of the CTSS (Cross the Shoulders scrubber ) The Boris is different from the current crop but has an obvious design inspiration in the Mk15 family, so what is new under the sun these days and does it matter? The SportKISS Scrubber perhaps? BEN __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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31st January 2006, 11:14	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) Do you really think sticking everything in a napsack (backpack) makes a giant leap for CCR design inovation? NOT! I give up... You better send me some pictures of the Boris so I could drool over them... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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31st January 2006, 11:16	#15 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) The SportKISS Scrubber perhaps? DING! DING! DING! I think you should win a prize for that. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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31st January 2006, 11:33	#16 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 208	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? What should so magic on a rebreather design, the main things are the scrubber and the counterlung. the way we positioning these is just design. how many possibilities we have ? (front, side and back of the diver) so let see: scrubber on the back , CL on the back (on top, behind, under the scrubber) scrubber on the back , CL OTS scrubber on the front , CL on the front (or over the neck like OTS) scrubber beside you , counterlung beside you now the design makes some changes in WOB. The most thing is if the diver like the positions (scrubber and CL) thats all. all these rebreathers works (doing his job). Holger * forget I something __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de
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31st January 2006, 11:39	#17 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,498	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? eeeuuhh, imHo, the rEvo is different from the last designs dual scrubber design, bm counterlung but extremely flat, (due to curved backplate that fits your back), integrated manual addition valves for dil and oxi (= even less tubes before your chest)... regards paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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31st January 2006, 11:53	#18 (permalink)
TR300 Holger Berghäuser Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Dolphin Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Weinheim, Germany Posts: 208	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) eeeuuhh, imHo, the rEvo is different from the last designs dual scrubber design, bm counterlung but extremely flat, (due to curved backplate that fits your back), integrated manual addition valves for dil and oxi (= even less tubes before your chest)... regards paul Hi Paul don't see any different (expect the design), you have "counterlung on the back, behind the scrubber" But your design is special and (for me) good looking perhaps If I being near you I just knock on your door for an dive Holger __________________ If it makes bubbles it means its brocken Visit: www.tr300.com, Missions: www.rebreatherteam.de Last edited by TR300 : 31st January 2006 at 11:56.
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31st January 2006, 12:28	#19 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Well I think its fair to say that with the exception of the Mk15/16/15.5 family all the others mentioned started as homebuilds! Phi has a point, what was the last Rebreather revolution- The Optima design is nothing new (owes alot to Bob Howels homebuild) but is the first commercial apperance of the CTSS (Cross the Shoulders scrubber ) BEN Ben I agree all rebreathers start as home builds but its probbaly not a good idea to try and sell them as a completed project until build quality is of a reasonable standard. CTSS has been done before and I found it limits the size and most importantly the length of the tanks you want to use. Phi I am being rather dry today sorry, don't give up on me . Fil Phi
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31st January 2006, 12:29	#20 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,635	Re: HydroSpace Neptune Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) eeeuuhh, imHo, the rEvo is different from the last designs dual scrubber design, bm counterlung but extremely flat, (due to curved backplate that fits your back), integrated manual addition valves for dil and oxi (= even less tubes before your chest)... Hmm... but its not released yet, so it doesn't count does it? Is there a thread or better yet a URL for all things rEvo? Not much I can tell from the pictures, certainly got a pretty neat wrist mounted computer design... still nothing awfully original, lots of Russian rebreathers use a double scrubber (admittedly sometimes one has O3 in it) and backmounted/builtin dil and O2 injectors. BEN __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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