re selling ccr ???

ccr_ada

would you insist in seeing a cert from someone before shipping a ccr eg
inspo evo kiss meg ???

TordoffR

I just bought a second hand Meg and to make the seller feel warm and fuzzy I had her ship the loop to my instructor. That way the unit is not complete, or useable. Just a thought.

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mverick

Nope.

I'd put a "Use at your own risk you will die without training" Disclaimer on it. But, I have bought and built different Rebreather's and Never showed a cert card.

Beanie

Would you ask to see someones driving license before selling them a car?

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Andy

i just got hold of a second hand ybod, the guy i got it from sent the manual add buttons to my instructor fair enough. Being a home builder i had some at home. Got to get some practice in before the course

Drmike

Depends.

If I knew the guy and knew he knew what he was doing Id have no problem shipping. If I didnt I would want to be convinced that he had at least booked a course or had take one (not necessarily unit specific in some cases)

The analogy about driving licenses thats often used is not a very good analogy IMO because you may be able to buy a car without a license - but you cant drive one (easily or for long without getting into trouble) without one. So its self policing - people just assume you have a license because they know you wont be free to drive it without one.

...If you take all the replies from home builders out of this thread you would see a different skew in the results im sure

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mverick

Well, not so true about the car.

Buddy didn't have one for 9 years. And drove every day. Lot of friends have had DUI's and every one of them drove. Had to get to work. I didn't have a motorcycle license for 8 years and had a bike. With insurance and plates in my name..

Didn't stop for police on the bike though either... Got chased a lot. But Car against a Bike. If'n you wanna dust them. It ain't a big deal. I'm older and not as stupid now.. But why do I need a person to tell me I'm OK to ride a bike when I've ridden one since I was 6. Dirt bikes... Reason for licenses on Cars is it can effect Other people's well being...

Rebreather death would effect you and your family. Wreck a car and you can kill someone else and there family.... That's why license

Everybody always squirms out of the car wreck thing. But, there is one thing for sure. You at one point in your life will be in a car accident. And half will be hurt By statistics. A diver doesn't have that same problem... Not even on Rebreather's..

And, you can always go back to the "Well Who trained Tom Mount?" Tom Mount... But, he does know his shit...

And, if you took all the instructors replys out of the thread. You'd see a different skew also....

$1500 for Rebreather class, $2500 for Mix class. I set up a mix station for less then $2500. Compressor and tanks and analyzer... $1500, $300, $200.... Got more into it now... But, that's what I started with... LOL But, there wasn't a lot of mix diving then either..

Basicly it's someone's own call. Do what you think.. Not what someone tells ya...

decoweenie

I think the discussion about the requirement is about liability and "legal".

If you (general term, not particular) don't have a driving license, yet still drive, then you are breaking the law. If you get into an accident, then insurance will not pay for you or the people you hurt even if you managed to get it written up somehow.

If you don't have the certification on Rebreather, and if you died diving off a charter boat, they could be liable.

Also, if you are in trouble with the unit u/w since you didn't have the training, someone else might get hurt trying to help you.

I am all for training in any form: formal thru agency, mentor or self-training. However, without knowing someone well enough, how can anyone know someone else's capability without at least some proof of "training" ?

Yes, having a license to drive or certification to dive doesn't necessary mean that the person is a great driver or diver. But at least there was some form of formal training and qualifying done...

After all, we don't live in a perfect world. And everyone can't have everything their way, but at least we have some regulations to keep some level of minimum safety for those who could abide by them.

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mverick

Not trying to get into an argument.

Just trying to clear some things up.

So, If I'm speeding in a car. I'm breaking the law. So, insurance company can deny my claim if I wreck while speeding? And not pay for the people I wreck into? If I turn in front of someone. Not yielding the right of way. They don't have to pay? If I'm drunk and wreck into someone and kill them. They don't have to pay? What happens is I get a ticket or go to jail. Insurance still pays. It was my responsibility to get the drivers license. BUT, it's also the Insurance companies responsibility. To check my drivers license. If they didn't check. That judge on the case is going to make them pay.

Insurance can deny for a lot of stuff. And they usually do.

If I'm diving my IDA71 or IDA72 or Homebuild off a Charter boat. Nobody certifies on those. So, they are liable?

If I buy a IDA71 or IDA72 you're saying I'd have to have certifications for them before I could buy them?

Liable is kinda a bull lawyer term. You trip on a rock that was out of a neighbors driveway your neighbor could be liable.

So, car analogy. Can you sell a car to someone who doesn't have a drivers license. Yes. If they wreck it can they sue you yes. If they had a drivers license and wreck it can they sue you, yes. If both of them park it in the driveway and let it rust to the ground can they sue you. Yes. Are they going to win? Depends. On who paid the most for there lawyers.

It matters very little about the law. It matters a lot about the lawyer and the judge.... Welcome to the US.... It ain't perfect. But, I'll stay here...

As a private person you can pretty well sell anything to anybody you want. Except guns. Can you be more or less liable. Well of course. Are you breaking a law. No...

decoweenie

Just because the insurance agent made the mistake or slipped his mind does not make it right.

You are going off on a tangent now...

We were discussing about units that you could get certifications for, thus the charter boat example. There is no certification for the Russian units which means commercial charter boats could prevent you from diving on their boat.

That's why I will never come back to the States if I could help it...

Anyway, this isn't productive anymore, so I will take my leave now.

Do as you wish!

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