re selling ccr ???

***EBT*** · 23rd January 2006, 16:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

Food for thought. The tobacco industry manufactures a product that requires no certification for its use other than an age limit in some countries and and KILLs 50% of those who use it on a regular basis.

Persactly, it makes you laugh eh!?

Skeletor · 23rd January 2006, 18:07

Quote:

tut tut tut
skeletor

that was a try dive in a controlled environment

Stay on this thread or start another Skeletor.

I was on a try dive and was not intending on buying a
Kiss but wanted a go in a controlled environment. So
that response is relevant to the original question
relating to RESELLING rebreathers.

Take that tone with me young man and I will send round the ninja accountant to give you a slapping.

The point is exactly on thread . . . . . on one hand you are advocating the introduction of a system whereby untrained / uncertified divers are prevented from using a particular rebreather, and on the other you are saying its o.k. in some circumstances ("a controlled environment" . . . . you mean the English Chanel ?). The fact that this relates to RESELLING a rebreather is incidental to the principal behind it.

If your opinion is that there should be a PIN system, fair enough, I may not agree, but I can see the argument. But, if you are going to impose a system, then you cannot really have a discretionary 'opt out' for the select few. ("its o.k. for me to do it, but not him . . . ")

Will you refuse to sell me a box of matches on the basis that I might douse myself in petrol and then use them to set fire to myself ? I can't speak for others, but I do not need protecting from myself, and I object to anyone else trying to do just that. I make my own decisions based upon my own personal assessment of the risks.

I would no sooner dive a rebreather without training than I would jump out of a plane without a parachute, but at the end of the day, I want it to be my choice, not someone elses.

Andy · 23rd January 2006, 18:47

Being a home builder i see nothing wrong with buying a unit and diving it as long as you have done your homework. As a home builder and there are a few of us out there we have maybe a different outlook to others but how many home builders do you see that have died using there kit?

We take great care to make sure its going to work as nobody else has tested it! I dived my ybod on sunday went ok still have alot to learn about what it does and doesnt do compared to my home build im doing my course but for insurance resons only as we have just had a baby and im all up for learning a bit more not intersted in the bit of paper when i did my scr stuff didnt even send it off wasnt intersted.

i have dived with a few certified ccr divers who havent got a idea how the dam thing works. i think it all depends on how interested you are on the why and how it all works that counts
andy

decoweenie · 23rd January 2006, 18:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Persactly, it makes you laugh eh!?

I don't think you will laugh when you know how much money is pumped thru the special-interest lobbyists from the tobacco companies...

mverick · 23rd January 2006, 19:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I don't think you will laugh when you know how much money is pumped thru the special-interest lobbyists from the tobacco companies...

They ain't the only ones doing that.. Basicly any big corporation has lobbyists.... Even the Farm Council...

ccr_ada · 24th January 2006, 00:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor)

Take that tone with me young man and I will send round the ninja accountant to give you a slapping.

The point is exactly on thread . . . . . on one hand you are advocating the introduction of a system whereby untrained / uncertified divers are prevented from using a particular rebreather, and on the other you are saying its o.k. in some circumstances ("a controlled environment" . . . . you mean the English Chanel ?). The fact that this relates to RESELLING a rebreather is incidental to the principal behind it.

If your opinion is that there should be a PIN system, fair enough, I may not agree, but I can see the argument. But, if you are going to impose a system, then you cannot really have a discretionary 'opt out' for the select few. ("its o.k. for me to do it, but not him . . . ")

tut tut tut skeletor you are a very bad puppy

as for the kiss try dive the english channel is a controlled environment
you miss the point

(when you sold your ccr did you ask to see a cert or whether they were booked on a course)
yes i think so

then sold it
!!! why !!!
was it conscience or just following protocol ????

or did you need the cash ??

what if the person you sold the ccr was telling pork pies tut tut heaven forgive

in this life the only fool that tells porkies to gain respect is a fool they always get found out in the end

i know of several people that say they have different qualifications but have never even seen the correct qualification

all i want is not to stop try dives skeletor or home brewers (if you have the knowledge and skill to make a ccr good luck )

but stop fools getting hold of ccr and giving us all a bad name

yes i know several people who have certs and should not (they need to go back to school as its not rocket science)

some people are in tune and know loads and have done all the homework and could pass easy but hate the system

i do like the saying a cert is earned not bought

if it was up to me i would never sell second hand
i dont like the idea of someone dying with something i have used then sold sorry
every one is different

just my 2p

ada

01RMB · 24th January 2006, 03:47

Bureaucrats believe that they can make a dangerous world safe by implementing rules and regulations. They then hold the view that if a person were to get hurt that somebody else is to blame because the rules were there to prevent anything from going wrong.

Check someone’s qualifications by all means if that makes you feel better but let’s not lose the principle that responsibility for your actions is still your own. Don't do anything you are not capable of living with the consequences.

If we expect everyone else to save us from ourselves we will soon see shops asking to see our learn to swim certificate before they sell us a pair of swimming costumes.

Skeletor · 24th January 2006, 10:42

Quote:

tut tut tut skeletor you are a very bad puppy

as for the kiss try dive the english channel is a controlled environment
you miss the point

(when you sold your ccr did you ask to see a cert or whether they were booked on a course)
yes i think so

then sold it
!!! why !!!
was it conscience or just following protocol ????

or did you need the cash ??

what if the person you sold the ccr was telling pork pies tut tut heaven forgive

in this life the only fool that tells porkies to gain respect is a fool they always get found out in the end

i know of several people that say they have different qualifications but have never even seen the correct qualification

all i want is not to stop try dives skeletor or home brewers (if you have the knowledge and skill to make a ccr good luck )

but stop fools getting hold of ccr and giving us all a bad name

yes i know several people who have certs and should not (they need to go back to school as its not rocket science)

some people are in tune and know loads and have done all the homework and could pass easy but hate the system

i do like the saying a cert is earned not bought

if it was up to me i would never sell second hand
i dont like the idea of someone dying with something i have used then sold sorry
every one is different

just my 2p

ada

You were warned . . . . don't come crying to me when you can't sit down.

The guy could of shown me his certificate for second place in the school sack race for all I cared, so long as he was waving hard cash in my direction.

I did ask if he had a training course booked, but I was only being polite . . . . it was more of an ice breaker than genuine concern. He did promise however that he had a course arranged, and he was warned in no uncertain terms what would happen if he tried using it without training, I also suggested that he limit his first couple of dives to no more than 80m untill he was familiar with the unit.

Apparently however, he only plans to dive it shallow (something to do with planting limpet mines on commercial shipping) so I can rest with a clear concience.

Now stop

and go and sort your teeth out, you freak.

Duncan Price · 24th January 2006, 17:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by 01RMB)

If we expect everyone else to save us from ourselves we will soon see shops asking to see our learn to swim certificate before they sell us a pair of swimming costumes.

...and we'll have to learn to swim butt naked...

I once lent someone my regulator and the proceeded to drown using it - is this the same thing as selling a rebreather to someone without qualifications?

My attitude is that we don't need protecting from ourselves - only others need protecting from ourselves - which is why there should be controls on things which used irresponsibly can kill others rather than things which if you are stupid can kill yourself.

divetheworld · 24th January 2006, 18:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Duncan Price)

...and we'll have to learn to swim butt naked...

I once lent someone my regulator and the proceeded to drown using it - is this the same thing as selling a rebreather to someone without qualifications?

My attitude is that we don't need protecting from ourselves - only others need protecting from ourselves - which is why there should be controls on things which used irresponsibly can kill others rather than things which if you are stupid can kill yourself.

I remember an instructor telling me an old story about turning up to the local inland site (non commercial) to find a bloke there in full scuba gear struggling like mad and dragging loads of rope all over the place.
Conversation did not take long to spark up when the bloke asked the instructor "how the fck do you guys get down there? I've been trying fro ages to get this rope on those cars and vans down there so I can weigh them in. I cant get down more than a few meters when my ears hurt like buggery!"
Needless to say the instructor left him none the wiser. Apparently he knew the scrap was down there and proceeded to buy some basic gear to try and salvage it himself.

23rd January 2006, 16:57	#61 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,904	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) Food for thought. The tobacco industry manufactures a product that requires no certification for its use other than an age limit in some countries and and KILLs 50% of those who use it on a regular basis. Persactly, it makes you laugh eh!? __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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23rd January 2006, 18:07	#62 (permalink)
Skeletor The 4th King Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Purgatory Posts: 48	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: tut tut tut skeletor that was a try dive in a controlled environment Stay on this thread or start another Skeletor. I was on a try dive and was not intending on buying a Kiss but wanted a go in a controlled environment. So that response is relevant to the original question relating to RESELLING rebreathers. Take that tone with me young man and I will send round the ninja accountant to give you a slapping. The point is exactly on thread . . . . . on one hand you are advocating the introduction of a system whereby untrained / uncertified divers are prevented from using a particular rebreather, and on the other you are saying its o.k. in some circumstances ("a controlled environment" . . . . you mean the English Chanel ?). The fact that this relates to RESELLING a rebreather is incidental to the principal behind it. If your opinion is that there should be a PIN system, fair enough, I may not agree, but I can see the argument. But, if you are going to impose a system, then you cannot really have a discretionary 'opt out' for the select few. ("its o.k. for me to do it, but not him . . . ") Will you refuse to sell me a box of matches on the basis that I might douse myself in petrol and then use them to set fire to myself ? I can't speak for others, but I do not need protecting from myself, and I object to anyone else trying to do just that. I make my own decisions based upon my own personal assessment of the risks. I would no sooner dive a rebreather without training than I would jump out of a plane without a parachute, but at the end of the day, I want it to be my choice, not someone elses.
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23rd January 2006, 18:47	#63 (permalink)
Andy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stanwick (UK) Posts: 48	Re: re selling ccr ??? Being a home builder i see nothing wrong with buying a unit and diving it as long as you have done your homework. As a home builder and there are a few of us out there we have maybe a different outlook to others but how many home builders do you see that have died using there kit? We take great care to make sure its going to work as nobody else has tested it! I dived my ybod on sunday went ok still have alot to learn about what it does and doesnt do compared to my home build im doing my course but for insurance resons only as we have just had a baby and im all up for learning a bit more not intersted in the bit of paper when i did my scr stuff didnt even send it off wasnt intersted. i have dived with a few certified ccr divers who havent got a idea how the dam thing works. i think it all depends on how interested you are on the why and how it all works that counts andy
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23rd January 2006, 18:52	#64 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Persactly, it makes you laugh eh!? I don't think you will laugh when you know how much money is pumped thru the special-interest lobbyists from the tobacco companies... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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23rd January 2006, 19:06	#65 (permalink)
mverick ScubaPimp Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 509	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I don't think you will laugh when you know how much money is pumped thru the special-interest lobbyists from the tobacco companies... They ain't the only ones doing that.. Basicly any big corporation has lobbyists.... Even the Farm Council...
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24th January 2006, 00:02	#66 (permalink)
ccr_ada 07971475781 Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: uk sorry G.B. Posts: 210	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor) Take that tone with me young man and I will send round the ninja accountant to give you a slapping. The point is exactly on thread . . . . . on one hand you are advocating the introduction of a system whereby untrained / uncertified divers are prevented from using a particular rebreather, and on the other you are saying its o.k. in some circumstances ("a controlled environment" . . . . you mean the English Chanel ?). The fact that this relates to RESELLING a rebreather is incidental to the principal behind it. If your opinion is that there should be a PIN system, fair enough, I may not agree, but I can see the argument. But, if you are going to impose a system, then you cannot really have a discretionary 'opt out' for the select few. ("its o.k. for me to do it, but not him . . . ") tut tut tut skeletor you are a very bad puppy as for the kiss try dive the english channel is a controlled environment you miss the point (when you sold your ccr did you ask to see a cert or whether they were booked on a course) yes i think so then sold it !!! why !!! was it conscience or just following protocol ???? or did you need the cash ?? what if the person you sold the ccr was telling pork pies tut tut heaven forgive in this life the only fool that tells porkies to gain respect is a fool they always get found out in the end i know of several people that say they have different qualifications but have never even seen the correct qualification all i want is not to stop try dives skeletor or home brewers (if you have the knowledge and skill to make a ccr good luck ) but stop fools getting hold of ccr and giving us all a bad name yes i know several people who have certs and should not (they need to go back to school as its not rocket science) some people are in tune and know loads and have done all the homework and could pass easy but hate the system i do like the saying a cert is earned not bought if it was up to me i would never sell second hand i dont like the idea of someone dying with something i have used then sold sorry every one is different just my 2p ada
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24th January 2006, 03:47	#67 (permalink)
01RMB Evolving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 191	Re: re selling ccr ??? Bureaucrats believe that they can make a dangerous world safe by implementing rules and regulations. They then hold the view that if a person were to get hurt that somebody else is to blame because the rules were there to prevent anything from going wrong. Check someone’s qualifications by all means if that makes you feel better but let’s not lose the principle that responsibility for your actions is still your own. Don't do anything you are not capable of living with the consequences. If we expect everyone else to save us from ourselves we will soon see shops asking to see our learn to swim certificate before they sell us a pair of swimming costumes. __________________ Cheers Rod
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24th January 2006, 10:42	#68 (permalink)
Skeletor The 4th King Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Purgatory Posts: 48	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: tut tut tut skeletor you are a very bad puppy as for the kiss try dive the english channel is a controlled environment you miss the point (when you sold your ccr did you ask to see a cert or whether they were booked on a course) yes i think so then sold it !!! why !!! was it conscience or just following protocol ???? or did you need the cash ?? what if the person you sold the ccr was telling pork pies tut tut heaven forgive in this life the only fool that tells porkies to gain respect is a fool they always get found out in the end i know of several people that say they have different qualifications but have never even seen the correct qualification all i want is not to stop try dives skeletor or home brewers (if you have the knowledge and skill to make a ccr good luck ) but stop fools getting hold of ccr and giving us all a bad name yes i know several people who have certs and should not (they need to go back to school as its not rocket science) some people are in tune and know loads and have done all the homework and could pass easy but hate the system i do like the saying a cert is earned not bought if it was up to me i would never sell second hand i dont like the idea of someone dying with something i have used then sold sorry every one is different just my 2p ada You were warned . . . . don't come crying to me when you can't sit down. The guy could of shown me his certificate for second place in the school sack race for all I cared, so long as he was waving hard cash in my direction. I did ask if he had a training course booked, but I was only being polite . . . . it was more of an ice breaker than genuine concern. He did promise however that he had a course arranged, and he was warned in no uncertain terms what would happen if he tried using it without training, I also suggested that he limit his first couple of dives to no more than 80m untill he was familiar with the unit. Apparently however, he only plans to dive it shallow (something to do with planting limpet mines on commercial shipping) so I can rest with a clear concience. Now stop and go and sort your teeth out, you freak.
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24th January 2006, 17:28	#69 (permalink)
Duncan Price Sump Monster Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wells, Somerset, UK Posts: 336	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by 01RMB) If we expect everyone else to save us from ourselves we will soon see shops asking to see our learn to swim certificate before they sell us a pair of swimming costumes. ...and we'll have to learn to swim butt naked... I once lent someone my regulator and the proceeded to drown using it - is this the same thing as selling a rebreather to someone without qualifications? My attitude is that we don't need protecting from ourselves - only others need protecting from ourselves - which is why there should be controls on things which used irresponsibly can kill others rather than things which if you are stupid can kill yourself.
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divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,551	Re: re selling ccr ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Duncan Price) ...and we'll have to learn to swim butt naked... I once lent someone my regulator and the proceeded to drown using it - is this the same thing as selling a rebreather to someone without qualifications? My attitude is that we don't need protecting from ourselves - only others need protecting from ourselves - which is why there should be controls on things which used irresponsibly can kill others rather than things which if you are stupid can kill yourself. I remember an instructor telling me an old story about turning up to the local inland site (non commercial) to find a bloke there in full scuba gear struggling like mad and dragging loads of rope all over the place. Conversation did not take long to spark up when the bloke asked the instructor "how the fck do you guys get down there? I've been trying fro ages to get this rope on those cars and vans down there so I can weigh them in. I cant get down more than a few meters when my ears hurt like buggery!" Needless to say the instructor left him none the wiser. Apparently he knew the scrap was down there and proceeded to buy some basic gear to try and salvage it himself. __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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