Solo Rebreather diver training???

cedricverdier · 15th January 2006, 23:57

Hi all,

Just a few days, I posted a poll about why rebreather divers dive solo:

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...dive-solo.html

The results are quite interesting so far, as it looks like there's a lot of solo divers out there.

So it comes to another questions: Some technical diving training agencies (PSAI, TDI/SDI) propose Solo/self-sufficient diver courses for Open circuit divers. What about the rebreather divers???

Do you think there is a need for a rebreather solo/self-sufficient diver course?

Cheers

Underwaterbear · 16th January 2006, 00:35

Kinda depends on your view as to whether solo training is required.

It could potentially limit some liability or at least put some charter operators more at ease.
It could open yet another avenue for dive shops to make some money off us Rebreather "one ocean" buddy policy types.
It could reinforce some salient points on how to dive solo safely.

So the answer in, my mind is ... maybe. Closely followed by ...it depends.

For interest I have a mate who has an SSI Solo diver certification which he has used successfully to charter-dive solo on his inspo around here. It worked for him, so I guess it is a viable solution if you are having those issues with a charter operator. Personally I try to start the dive with a buddy...

As a side-bar my solo diving buddy has moved to Tassie and I understand he no longer has a problem with a charter operator not liking solo diving....(see pic)

Cheers
AB

Andy Del · 16th January 2006, 02:43

While it's maybe a useful plastic card, if you have trained through to CCR level 3, then you have worked on redundancy, self rescue, dive planning, rescued other non responsive divers as part of your TX course (or should have), completed dives with various failures and dive with enough redundant equipment to ensure you can finish a dive in most every forseeable way.

Having to go through it all again is somewhat OTT. anyway, the last 3 trips away I did solo dives, and one of those was in Queensland!

I just lost the dive 'guide'...

and apologised afterwards.

decoweenie · 16th January 2006, 05:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by cedricverdier)

Do you think there is a need for a rebreather solo/self-sufficient diver course?

IMHO, there is already such courses. It is called "CCR mod-1" for non-deco, and mode-2/3 for deco.

What does a "solo/self-sufficient diver course" teaches that a mod-X course doesn't have ?

Nad · 16th January 2006, 11:23

1. I think you become confident diving solo by yourself, not with a course.
2. With a training you could feel too much ok or too soon.

For sure a CCard could help with charter operators and it could be a good idea but to open another way for the dive business...?

Then it would be too easy, as I said at point 2.

Nad

**Freef** · 16th January 2006, 19:05

If you are being trained to dive solo, how can an assessor be in the water, 'cos then they are your buddy...

I suppose it could be done on a process of elimination: "Go for a dive, if you come back you've passed".

I know divers who would do this course and then disobey all the rules and cause problems for themselves and the poor sods who have to look for the body.

Only you know when you are ready to solo dive, but you need to be honest with yourself.

onetime · 16th January 2006, 20:06

IMNSHO, Solo certifications are ridiculous. Most places won't accept them and the skills they teach are things that any diver (whether Rebreather or OC) should be aware of already (that's not to say that all are). If anything, self rescue should be standard in all scuba courses and, to some extent, are but the coursework should be beefed up in Basic Open Water and reinforced throughout every other class.

iani · 16th January 2006, 20:12

If you feel you need a solo diving course then you should probably take one....and then continue diving with others.

Ian

***Decodiver*** · 16th January 2006, 20:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by iani)

If you feel you need a solo diving course then you should probably take one....and then continue diving with others.

Ian

Ian,

LMFAO, excellent!!

Cheers,

Dave Cooper

Deep Thought · 16th January 2006, 22:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

IMHO, there is already such courses. It is called "CCR mod-1" for non-deco, and mode-2/3 for deco.

What does a "solo/self-sufficient diver course" teaches that a mod-X course doesn't have ?

I would echo this same sentiment, as the training already prepares a self sufficient diver.

While I hate to use such a clichés, but when it comes to an awful one such as I earn my living? off of teaching and providing little pieces of plastic, I can’t pass up the wonderful opportunity to do just that. I voted NO even though it would be far too easy to advocate a simple YES as it is justifiable and it helps stave off my malnourishment.

One savvy training agency had a wonderful little self laminating card that allowed an instructor to desktop publish the most elaborate certification the mind could imagine. I have a desk full of such cards, some of which could land a guy in jail if publicly displayed…. For the right price I can provide you with a “Solo ….” Card (pm me and I’ll provide an address where the cash can be dropped)

However the concept of a Solo CCR Diver certification is an oxymoron that defies even my unscrupulous imagination. Yes the concept of an advanced open water Solo Diver course is great; disseminate the techniques of self sufficiency through equipment configuration, skills / drills and theory to promote a more self sufficient diver. Yet the oxymoron is that a diver who would feel confident to dive on their own would not be the diver who would seek such a credential. No offense intended to anyone and I offer Solo Diver, it is just in this forum a solo ccr seems a bit unnecessary.

Every diver who operates a ccr should feel confident in their skills to survive underwater without the aid of their buddy, and if they choose to dive with a buddy for the social aspect of diving (which is why most people I know dive to share an exciting hobby in a socially enriched atmosphere) Yahoo! And a diver who chooses to dive with a buddy for the added comfort of additional support, if not the ability to assist in body recovery is important as well.

View Poll Results: Is there a need for Solo Rebreather diver training
YES. Training could improve the rebreather diver's safety.	21	31.34%
YES. A solo C-Card could help on a charter boat.	24	35.82%
YES. I like those shiny C-Cards!!	3	4.48%
NO. I don't dive solo and don't want to.	4	5.97%
NO. I can learn all the techniques by myself.	30	44.78%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

15th January 2006, 23:57	#1 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 488	Solo Rebreather diver training??? Hi all, Just a few days, I posted a poll about why rebreather divers dive solo: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...dive-solo.html The results are quite interesting so far, as it looks like there's a lot of solo divers out there. So it comes to another questions: Some technical diving training agencies (PSAI, TDI/SDI) propose Solo/self-sufficient diver courses for Open circuit divers. What about the rebreather divers??? Do you think there is a need for a rebreather solo/self-sufficient diver course? Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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16th January 2006, 00:35	#2 (permalink)
Underwaterbear A Prismer in Megland Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 168	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Kinda depends on your view as to whether solo training is required. It could potentially limit some liability or at least put some charter operators more at ease. It could open yet another avenue for dive shops to make some money off us Rebreather "one ocean" buddy policy types. It could reinforce some salient points on how to dive solo safely. So the answer in, my mind is ... maybe. Closely followed by ...it depends. For interest I have a mate who has an SSI Solo diver certification which he has used successfully to charter-dive solo on his inspo around here. It worked for him, so I guess it is a viable solution if you are having those issues with a charter operator. Personally I try to start the dive with a buddy... As a side-bar my solo diving buddy has moved to Tassie and I understand he no longer has a problem with a charter operator not liking solo diving....(see pic) Cheers AB
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16th January 2006, 02:43	#3 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 391	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? While it's maybe a useful plastic card, if you have trained through to CCR level 3, then you have worked on redundancy, self rescue, dive planning, rescued other non responsive divers as part of your TX course (or should have), completed dives with various failures and dive with enough redundant equipment to ensure you can finish a dive in most every forseeable way. Having to go through it all again is somewhat OTT. anyway, the last 3 trips away I did solo dives, and one of those was in Queensland! I just lost the dive 'guide'... and apologised afterwards. __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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16th January 2006, 05:16	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Quote: (Originally Posted by cedricverdier) Do you think there is a need for a rebreather solo/self-sufficient diver course? IMHO, there is already such courses. It is called "CCR mod-1" for non-deco, and mode-2/3 for deco. What does a "solo/self-sufficient diver course" teaches that a mod-X course doesn't have ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th January 2006, 11:23	#5 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 941	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? 1. I think you become confident diving solo by yourself, not with a course. 2. With a training you could feel too much ok or too soon. For sure a CCard could help with charter operators and it could be a good idea but to open another way for the dive business...? Then it would be too easy, as I said at point 2. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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16th January 2006, 19:05	#6 (permalink)
Freef Custom Title Disallowed! Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of the Freef, UK. Posts: 1,356	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? If you are being trained to dive solo, how can an assessor be in the water, 'cos then they are your buddy... I suppose it could be done on a process of elimination: "Go for a dive, if you come back you've passed". I know divers who would do this course and then disobey all the rules and cause problems for themselves and the poor sods who have to look for the body. Only you know when you are ready to solo dive, but you need to be honest with yourself. __________________ David. Currently owner of two differently sized ankles.
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16th January 2006, 20:06	#7 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 655	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? IMNSHO, Solo certifications are ridiculous. Most places won't accept them and the skills they teach are things that any diver (whether Rebreather or OC) should be aware of already (that's not to say that all are). If anything, self rescue should be standard in all scuba courses and, to some extent, are but the coursework should be beefed up in Basic Open Water and reinforced throughout every other class. Last edited by onetime : 16th January 2006 at 20:13.
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16th January 2006, 20:12	#8 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? If you feel you need a solo diving course then you should probably take one....and then continue diving with others. Ian
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16th January 2006, 20:54	#9 (permalink)
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Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) IMHO, there is already such courses. It is called "CCR mod-1" for non-deco, and mode-2/3 for deco. What does a "solo/self-sufficient diver course" teaches that a mod-X course doesn't have ? I would echo this same sentiment, as the training already prepares a self sufficient diver. While I hate to use such a clichés, but when it comes to an awful one such as I earn my living? off of teaching and providing little pieces of plastic, I can’t pass up the wonderful opportunity to do just that. I voted NO even though it would be far too easy to advocate a simple YES as it is justifiable and it helps stave off my malnourishment. One savvy training agency had a wonderful little self laminating card that allowed an instructor to desktop publish the most elaborate certification the mind could imagine. I have a desk full of such cards, some of which could land a guy in jail if publicly displayed…. For the right price I can provide you with a “Solo ….” Card (pm me and I’ll provide an address where the cash can be dropped) However the concept of a Solo CCR Diver certification is an oxymoron that defies even my unscrupulous imagination. Yes the concept of an advanced open water Solo Diver course is great; disseminate the techniques of self sufficiency through equipment configuration, skills / drills and theory to promote a more self sufficient diver. Yet the oxymoron is that a diver who would feel confident to dive on their own would not be the diver who would seek such a credential. No offense intended to anyone and I offer Solo Diver, it is just in this forum a solo ccr seems a bit unnecessary. Every diver who operates a ccr should feel confident in their skills to survive underwater without the aid of their buddy, and if they choose to dive with a buddy for the social aspect of diving (which is why most people I know dive to share an exciting hobby in a socially enriched atmosphere) Yahoo! And a diver who chooses to dive with a buddy for the added comfort of additional support, if not the ability to assist in body recovery is important as well. __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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