Solo Rebreather diver training???

everettdiver0614 · 16th January 2006, 22:41

I personally feel that a solo diver course for rebreathers is really not necessary. The permutations of failures a rebreather diver faces coupled with the fact that the average open circuit diver you might dive with has no idea how to rescue you and might in fact contribute to shortening your life expectancy instills enough reasons and fear to be redundant and self reliant. If a diver dives solo, which I am a big advocate of especially if you venture really deep, regardless if you are using OC or CCR one better makes sure that he/she accounts for the unexpected. Technical dive training does do that for you hence there is no reason for another redundant course.

Drmike · 16th January 2006, 23:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by iani)

If you feel you need a solo diving course then you should probably take one....and then continue diving with others.

Ian

That made me chuckle

Spot on.

Mark Chase · 16th January 2006, 23:51

If I felt it would help make the life insurance company's pay out for my wife and kids I'd do it. But thats about the only reason I can think of.

So I voted it might help.

ATB

Mark Chase

Deepwreck · 17th January 2006, 21:08

Its interesting to me that people always come back to the same old "buddy rule". Im not dissing, diving with friends. I just think that people who always feel like they need to dive with a buddy are fooling themselves. In technical diving (or diving into deco) a buddy is limited to providing moral support, sharing deco gas, and having someone to look at the same interesting thing you just saw. If you reley on someone else to save you, which is what most OC divers think of then talking about buddies, then you are in some real trouble when problems come.
I dive solo most of the time, and I am alway aware of problems that may come up, and deal with them asap. I have never had to go to a buddy for help, and have been able to solve my own problems with the gear I take with me. What I fear most is going unconscious, and most divers will only kill me faster if I am unconscious. So yes has someone out there saved someone else who was unconscious, yup. Im talking about diving where your deep, on or in ships, with low to no vis, and you have lots of deco. Wether your solo or not your most likely in big trouble is you have a problem that you can't solve or deal with by yourself.

Genesis · 17th January 2006, 21:33

IMHO you have no business diving at all, at any level if you're not comfortable doing it without a buddy.

I've had a "buddy" do things that could have killed me several times. None of them have succeeded yet that I know of

The most likely part of the entire diving "system" to "malfunction" is your brain, closely followed by your body. This has been borne out time and time again when one studies diving accidents.

Diving with someone because you enjoy your buddy's company underwater is IMHO perfectly fine. Diving with someone because you want someone else there to save your butt if you screw up is another matter.

ccr_ada · 17th January 2006, 22:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

If I felt it would help make the life insurance company's pay out for my wife and kids I'd do it. But thats about the only reason I can think of.

So I voted it might help.

ATB

Mark Chase

thats what i used to think but now she has everything and wants everything who gives a **** just do it
have been diving solo for over 10y on oc and ccr now she is divorcing me over diving o well who can i lie to now

so im free any takers !!

single white young unattached females only apply
with gsoh o yes and good looking send cv and pics to me

may get some proper diving in now this ****ed up 2005 for diving for me
any good trips drop me a line im a bit down at the mow need cheering up

RonMicjan · 17th January 2006, 23:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

However the concept of a Solo CCR Diver certification is an oxymoron that defies even my unscrupulous imagination

come on Ron, you know you just love the feel of that plastic in your hand

Anyway, I agree with you, the folks that would take such a course, other than just to placate boat operators, would be fooling themselves. I recently was told by a friends GF who dives, barely, that diving solo was just plain stupid and dangerous. I just smiled. This is a person who should never dive solo, and probably just shouldnt dive, as it is very obvious that she is not and never will be self sufficient. This is the same type of person who would tell me that using my laptop while driving is dangerous, because she is not capable of dividing her attention between multiple things. I have been steering with my knee since I was 19, now I have my fingers on the keyboard and can touch type my notes while looking straight down the road and talking speakerphone to a customer. If traffic gets heavy, I move more concentration to the driving part. The police/fire/EMS workers do it, I can too. Just like I can dive solo without formal instruction, but its not for everyone. I take full responsibility for my choices in life and no one is going to sue anyone on my behalf if I croak myself diving.
This goes along with my other pet peave, folks who cant drive in the snow or foul weather and instead of pulling over to the side, they block traffic for everyone going 10mph, completely terrified. I grew up and learned to drive in Detroit Michigan, if you dont learn to drive in the snow, others will run you off the road. Just because you are not skillful enough to accomplish a task, dont assume everyone is at the same skill level.

Ok rant over... next!

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YES. Training could improve the rebreather diver's safety.	21	31.34%
YES. A solo C-Card could help on a charter boat.	24	35.82%
YES. I like those shiny C-Cards!!	3	4.48%
NO. I don't dive solo and don't want to.	4	5.97%
NO. I can learn all the techniques by myself.	30	44.78%
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16th January 2006, 22:41	#11 (permalink)
everettdiver0614 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mukilteo, Washington Posts: 6	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? I personally feel that a solo diver course for rebreathers is really not necessary. The permutations of failures a rebreather diver faces coupled with the fact that the average open circuit diver you might dive with has no idea how to rescue you and might in fact contribute to shortening your life expectancy instills enough reasons and fear to be redundant and self reliant. If a diver dives solo, which I am a big advocate of especially if you venture really deep, regardless if you are using OC or CCR one better makes sure that he/she accounts for the unexpected. Technical dive training does do that for you hence there is no reason for another redundant course. __________________ Harald H. Fiedler 11013 Villa Rosa Lane Mukilteo, WA 98275 Cell: 440 - 840 - 0445
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16th January 2006, 23:08	#12 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,323	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Quote: (Originally Posted by iani) If you feel you need a solo diving course then you should probably take one....and then continue diving with others. Ian That made me chuckle Spot on. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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16th January 2006, 23:51	#13 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? If I felt it would help make the life insurance company's pay out for my wife and kids I'd do it. But thats about the only reason I can think of. So I voted it might help. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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17th January 2006, 21:08	#14 (permalink)
Deepwreck Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 114	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Its interesting to me that people always come back to the same old "buddy rule". Im not dissing, diving with friends. I just think that people who always feel like they need to dive with a buddy are fooling themselves. In technical diving (or diving into deco) a buddy is limited to providing moral support, sharing deco gas, and having someone to look at the same interesting thing you just saw. If you reley on someone else to save you, which is what most OC divers think of then talking about buddies, then you are in some real trouble when problems come. I dive solo most of the time, and I am alway aware of problems that may come up, and deal with them asap. I have never had to go to a buddy for help, and have been able to solve my own problems with the gear I take with me. What I fear most is going unconscious, and most divers will only kill me faster if I am unconscious. So yes has someone out there saved someone else who was unconscious, yup. Im talking about diving where your deep, on or in ships, with low to no vis, and you have lots of deco. Wether your solo or not your most likely in big trouble is you have a problem that you can't solve or deal with by yourself.
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17th January 2006, 21:33	#15 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,395	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? IMHO you have no business diving at all, at any level if you're not comfortable doing it without a buddy. I've had a "buddy" do things that could have killed me several times. None of them have succeeded yet that I know of The most likely part of the entire diving "system" to "malfunction" is your brain, closely followed by your body. This has been borne out time and time again when one studies diving accidents. Diving with someone because you enjoy your buddy's company underwater is IMHO perfectly fine. Diving with someone because you want someone else there to save your butt if you screw up is another matter.
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17th January 2006, 22:49	#16 (permalink)
ccr_ada 07971475781 Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: uk sorry G.B. Posts: 221	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) If I felt it would help make the life insurance company's pay out for my wife and kids I'd do it. But thats about the only reason I can think of. So I voted it might help. ATB Mark Chase thats what i used to think but now she has everything and wants everything who gives a ** just do it have been diving solo for over 10y on oc and ccr now she is divorcing me over diving o well who can i lie to now so im free any takers !! single white young unattached females only apply with gsoh o yes and good looking send cv and pics to me may get some proper diving in now this **ed up 2005 for diving for me any good trips drop me a line im a bit down at the mow need cheering up
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17th January 2006, 23:33	#17 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,100	Re: Solo Rebreather diver training??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) However the concept of a Solo CCR Diver certification is an oxymoron that defies even my unscrupulous imagination come on Ron, you know you just love the feel of that plastic in your hand Anyway, I agree with you, the folks that would take such a course, other than just to placate boat operators, would be fooling themselves. I recently was told by a friends GF who dives, barely, that diving solo was just plain stupid and dangerous. I just smiled. This is a person who should never dive solo, and probably just shouldnt dive, as it is very obvious that she is not and never will be self sufficient. This is the same type of person who would tell me that using my laptop while driving is dangerous, because she is not capable of dividing her attention between multiple things. I have been steering with my knee since I was 19, now I have my fingers on the keyboard and can touch type my notes while looking straight down the road and talking speakerphone to a customer. If traffic gets heavy, I move more concentration to the driving part. The police/fire/EMS workers do it, I can too. Just like I can dive solo without formal instruction, but its not for everyone. I take full responsibility for my choices in life and no one is going to sue anyone on my behalf if I croak myself diving. This goes along with my other pet peave, folks who cant drive in the snow or foul weather and instead of pulling over to the side, they block traffic for everyone going 10mph, completely terrified. I grew up and learned to drive in Detroit Michigan, if you dont learn to drive in the snow, others will run you off the road. Just because you are not skillful enough to accomplish a task, dont assume everyone is at the same skill level. Ok rant over... next! __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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