POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think?

Westwinds · 7th January 2006, 02:05

A 2-way HUD is simply a standard HUD with an extra set of LEDs or lights facing away from the diver. The idea is that when I approach my buddy I would be able to assess their CCR O2 computers without asking if they are ok every time.

The idea came about during a dive where my buddy was motionless at the stern of wreck in 60ft of water. I became concerned because he was not attentive or responding to my signals. I swam over to him to assess the situation and discovered that he was looking at fish swimming inside the hull. After my heart returned to normal operation I thought that it would be nice if I was able to see get a sense of his condition more rapidly.

Of course this situation was just two new CCR divers learning each others style, dive personality and techniques but the idea seemed valid regardless.

What do you think about a 2-way HUD system?

Westwinds.

***jradomski*** · 7th January 2006, 02:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Westwinds)

A 2-way HUD is simply a standard HUD with an extra set of LEDs or lights facing away from the diver. The idea is that when I approach my buddy I would be able to assess their CCR O2 computers without asking if they are ok every time.

The idea came about during a dive where my buddy was motionless at the stern of wreck in 60ft of water. I became concerned because he was not attentive or responding to my signals. I swam over to him to assess the situation and discovered that he was looking at fish swimming inside the hull. After my heart returned to normal operation I thought that it would be nice if I was able to see get a sense of his condition more rapidly.

Of course this situation was just two new CCR divers learning each others style, dive personality and techniques but the idea seemed valid regardless.

What do you think about a 2-way HUD system?

Westwinds.

My personal preferenc is to have some type of signaling on the top of the diver's kit.. So that I could see them from behind.. In darker water you can generally see the reflection off a persons mask on the brighter HUDs

I understand your concern COMPLETELY.. I few years ago I was teaching a trimix CCR class, we were about 2 hours or so into deco just resting on the bottom at 6m (this was a shore dive), One of my students was completely motionless, I quickly swam over (I though my heart was going to bust out of my chest) and he was just meditating.. From that dive on I made it cear to my students, That I always want to see something moving, like theire fingers or slow arm movements.. If I dont see them keep somewaht active, I will annoy them until they do..

Westwinds · 7th January 2006, 02:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

My personal preferenc is to have some type of signaling on the top of the diver's kit.

Absolutely. This would help in more situations I think.

I have started a second poll regarding a back mounted display system here: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...ay-system.html

westwinds.

***caveseeker7*** · 7th January 2006, 06:14

I didn't vote as I think the idea is neither excellent nor bad.
Just sorta pointless, I agree with Joe that second display on the
back of the unit makes more sense.

Doesn't have to be a full LCD readout as the Ouroboros has,
simple LEDs would do.

Drmike · 7th January 2006, 07:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Westwinds)

A 2-way HUD is simply a standard HUD with an extra set of LEDs or lights facing away from the diver. The idea is that when I approach my buddy I would be able to assess their CCR O2 computers without asking if they are ok every time.

The idea came about during a dive where my buddy was motionless at the stern of wreck in 60ft of water. I became concerned because he was not attentive or responding to my signals. I swam over to him to assess the situation and discovered that he was looking at fish swimming inside the hull. After my heart returned to normal operation I thought that it would be nice if I was able to see get a sense of his condition more rapidly.

Of course this situation was just two new CCR divers learning each others style, dive personality and techniques but the idea seemed valid regardless.

What do you think about a 2-way HUD system?

Westwinds.

People always comment that they can easily see the reflection of my HUD off my mask. When the blue light is on it lights the whole cave!

Didnt the CIS have buddy lights ontop of the unit?

***caveseeker7*** · 7th January 2006, 07:38

Yes, two lights on top of the box.
The Ouroboros has both LED lights repeated from HUD and LCD setpoint display.

Chris · 7th January 2006, 11:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

People always comment that they can easily see the reflection of my HUD off my mask. When the blue light is on it lights the whole cave!

Same with the PRISM, easy to see what the unit is doing with the reflection in the mask.

Cheers
Chris

***caveseeker7*** · 7th January 2006, 16:05

Either that or you mount it the wrong way.

Underwaterbear · 7th January 2006, 17:16

I guess it's a nice idea...but it would not be a deal breaker for me.

At the end of the day knowing the unit is on setpoint or otherwise doesn't tell you if the diver has malfunctioned. In any circumstance where it really mattered you need to be having a more interactive experience with your buddy anyway. In this case having the light might even lead to a false conclusion everything is fine.

Cheers
AB

jont · 7th January 2006, 17:53

For team diving it makes sense, but the unit would have to be a back mounted type, sim. to the the boris.

So many people are diving alone these days, i could take it or leave it.

View Poll Results: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think?
Excellent idea: I would use it	10	71.43%
Excellent idea: For someone else	3	21.43%
Simply a bad idea	1	7.14%
This idea is dangerous!	0	0%
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7th January 2006, 02:05	#1 (permalink)
Westwinds Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 89	POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? A 2-way HUD is simply a standard HUD with an extra set of LEDs or lights facing away from the diver. The idea is that when I approach my buddy I would be able to assess their CCR O2 computers without asking if they are ok every time. The idea came about during a dive where my buddy was motionless at the stern of wreck in 60ft of water. I became concerned because he was not attentive or responding to my signals. I swam over to him to assess the situation and discovered that he was looking at fish swimming inside the hull. After my heart returned to normal operation I thought that it would be nice if I was able to see get a sense of his condition more rapidly. Of course this situation was just two new CCR divers learning each others style, dive personality and techniques but the idea seemed valid regardless. What do you think about a 2-way HUD system? Westwinds. __________________ Located in Canada
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7th January 2006, 02:35	#2 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,817	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? Quote: (Originally Posted by Westwinds) A 2-way HUD is simply a standard HUD with an extra set of LEDs or lights facing away from the diver. The idea is that when I approach my buddy I would be able to assess their CCR O2 computers without asking if they are ok every time. The idea came about during a dive where my buddy was motionless at the stern of wreck in 60ft of water. I became concerned because he was not attentive or responding to my signals. I swam over to him to assess the situation and discovered that he was looking at fish swimming inside the hull. After my heart returned to normal operation I thought that it would be nice if I was able to see get a sense of his condition more rapidly. Of course this situation was just two new CCR divers learning each others style, dive personality and techniques but the idea seemed valid regardless. What do you think about a 2-way HUD system? Westwinds. My personal preferenc is to have some type of signaling on the top of the diver's kit.. So that I could see them from behind.. In darker water you can generally see the reflection off a persons mask on the brighter HUDs I understand your concern COMPLETELY.. I few years ago I was teaching a trimix CCR class, we were about 2 hours or so into deco just resting on the bottom at 6m (this was a shore dive), One of my students was completely motionless, I quickly swam over (I though my heart was going to bust out of my chest) and he was just meditating.. From that dive on I made it cear to my students, That I always want to see something moving, like theire fingers or slow arm movements.. If I dont see them keep somewaht active, I will annoy them until they do.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 7th January 2006 at 02:38.
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7th January 2006, 02:42	#3 (permalink)
Westwinds Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 89	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) My personal preferenc is to have some type of signaling on the top of the diver's kit. Absolutely. This would help in more situations I think. I have started a second poll regarding a back mounted display system here: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/gener...ay-system.html westwinds. __________________ Located in Canada Last edited by Westwinds : 7th January 2006 at 02:50.
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7th January 2006, 06:14	#4 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? I didn't vote as I think the idea is neither excellent nor bad. Just sorta pointless, I agree with Joe that second display on the back of the unit makes more sense. Doesn't have to be a full LCD readout as the Ouroboros has, simple LEDs would do. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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7th January 2006, 07:09	#5 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? Quote: (Originally Posted by Westwinds) A 2-way HUD is simply a standard HUD with an extra set of LEDs or lights facing away from the diver. The idea is that when I approach my buddy I would be able to assess their CCR O2 computers without asking if they are ok every time. The idea came about during a dive where my buddy was motionless at the stern of wreck in 60ft of water. I became concerned because he was not attentive or responding to my signals. I swam over to him to assess the situation and discovered that he was looking at fish swimming inside the hull. After my heart returned to normal operation I thought that it would be nice if I was able to see get a sense of his condition more rapidly. Of course this situation was just two new CCR divers learning each others style, dive personality and techniques but the idea seemed valid regardless. What do you think about a 2-way HUD system? Westwinds. People always comment that they can easily see the reflection of my HUD off my mask. When the blue light is on it lights the whole cave! Didnt the CIS have buddy lights ontop of the unit? __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you Last edited by Drmike : 7th January 2006 at 07:12.
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7th January 2006, 07:38	#6 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? Yes, two lights on top of the box. The Ouroboros has both LED lights repeated from HUD and LCD setpoint display. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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7th January 2006, 11:24	#7 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 601	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) People always comment that they can easily see the reflection of my HUD off my mask. When the blue light is on it lights the whole cave! Same with the PRISM, easy to see what the unit is doing with the reflection in the mask. Cheers Chris __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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7th January 2006, 16:05	#8 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? Either that or you mount it the wrong way. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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7th January 2006, 17:16	#9 (permalink)
Underwaterbear A Prismer in Megland Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 168	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? I guess it's a nice idea...but it would not be a deal breaker for me. At the end of the day knowing the unit is on setpoint or otherwise doesn't tell you if the diver has malfunctioned. In any circumstance where it really mattered you need to be having a more interactive experience with your buddy anyway. In this case having the light might even lead to a false conclusion everything is fine. Cheers AB
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7th January 2006, 17:53	#10 (permalink)
jont Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Prism Topaz Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY USA Posts: 191	Re: POLL: 2-way Heads Up Display. Would do you think? For team diving it makes sense, but the unit would have to be a back mounted type, sim. to the the boris. So many people are diving alone these days, i could take it or leave it.
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