Which CCR I think is the best...for me.

***caveseeker7*** · 14th December 2005, 00:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

There is potential chaneling of sorb that does not happen with the cartridges.

"Doesn't happen" claims always make me suspicious.
What about a bad seal around the cartridge?

Quote:

They make for a reduced WOB when used with rebreathers that are made to use them.

Based on what and compared to what? Do you have any numbers?

Having tried Dolphins with Dräger and Micropre scrubbers I don't remember any major improvement in WOB.

Quote:

I have checked with a lot of people that travel, and they tell me that shipping or sending along with your dive gear is no problem.

You might want to head over to Scubaboard and search for Teksimple's absorbant saga ... a friggin' nightmare. The problem is that many of the best dive destinations are in banana republics where anything goes. The cartridges are more expensive than the granules, and you need more of them for the same amount of diving. That can only translate into more customs duties.

Quote:

Also, more and more places abroad will start to carry the cartridges over time.

Yes, but when and where? That is wishfull (albeit likely) thinking, but would I base a $7,500 CCR purchase on it? Probably not. Logistics with a Rebreather are already a pita, and supplies limited to few locations when compared to OC.

Deep Thought · 14th December 2005, 00:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis)

The truly big advantage to the cartridge is that apparently it is EXTREMELY resistant to "cocktailing" if it gets flooded - to the point that recovering a completely flooded scrubber and loop is not only possible, its practical.

HOWEVER, until the cartridge price gets down to $20 or less each its still stupid-f*ing expensive compared to loose-pack sorb. Whether its worth it is an individual decision. It also is a major issue for travel, especially outside the US if you have to ship the cartridges around.....

I have a case of them here and am testing them for my homebuild. I suspect that in the end I will go with loose sorb, simply due to the logistics and cost of diving with these things, but I may make up two cans so I have a choice.....

Recovering a completely flooded scrubber / loop….wow! Not trying to be sarcastic, just realistic and it sounds like a nice proposition but the reality is wow – blow all the water out of a loop / scrubber / wet sensors…like I said wow, I would like to see this happen. I’ve seen CisLunar divers get out of the water, dump a loop out and get back in, but never seen a full recovery underwater.

It is a bold and daring statement for a rebreathers manufacture to introduce a product on the market, a market that already has some good competition, to utilizes a unique scrubber media such as RPC’s. This and only this kind of statement will make the growth of RPC’s more readily available for universal availability. However the sales of these items would have to increase way beyond the Optima to show any impact in a market as small as sport diving ccr’s. I too would like to see the price drop, but not too convinced that it will happen any time soon.

I commend Dive Rite for the bold step in embracing this technology, not that I wouldn't like to see an insert for granular chemical. Personally I don’t want to go to Timbuktoo and find pails of chemical and no lil’ round cartridges. Regarding the use of chemical in the Optima - bah - not impressed if ten people already tested this and if DR had 100 kits on the shelf ready to go, until I see a SKU number in the price list, it doesn't exist! DR will have to address this issue or the use of Optimas will be hampered in some environments.

For those divers who started diving the Atlantis / Dolphin units, you may remember the methods of disposing of used sorb; some advocated spreading it out on the grass, dump it in the bushes, placing it in the rubbish…all perfectly fine for a spent chalk / lime substance. Not that I was fond of spreading used sorb on my lawn, but I think I want to test this next spring as I spread some used RPC cartridges around my lawn. Mind you this is only for the effect it will have on my neighbors. I can see them now “Ron what in h*ll are those odd cylindrical lumps in your lawn”? So what is proper with spent RPC’s - land fill?

While I enjoy using RPC’s there are some considerations, and I will watch the list to see what happens as more divers use them, and look for the feedback.

Yes the Optima is a comfortable rig in the water, several pluses

.

Now if you will excuse me I have to go and find a tree to hug…

Ron

**Gill Envy** · 14th December 2005, 00:59

Genesis, thanks for the imput. those are some interesting things you have pointed out.
- I like the reduced risk of cocktaling due to the cartridge and also the counter lung configuration...it allows you to take on quite a bit of water before it's a big problem and allows you to drain it on the fly. but F'n El, the added opperating cost due to the canister price given that there is no current granular canister option is a big deterrent. I'm not cheap, but operating cost is an important consideration...i'd gotten used to the claim that the operating cost of rebreathers is around the cost of nitrox...that seemed do-able.
- Added density and thus less bouyent scrubber canister may have significantly contributed to sense that the rig was so much easier to fly and didn't require a lot of lead.
- So maybe using a different canister is the only way to retrofit...hmm. don't have a clue how hard that would be to do.
geo
-

Deep Thought · 14th December 2005, 01:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

"Doesn't happen" claims always make me suspicious.
What about a bad seal around the cartridge?

Having tried Dolphins with Dräger and Micropre scrubbers I don't remember any major improvement in WOB.

Started using the RPC’s a little over a year ago in my dolphin, azimuth and inspiration and never had difficulty until I installed one in my Optima. It was a simple slide in, hesitate – hum – check alignment of the center O2 tube / fastening nut, slide out to look and I discovered a nasty cut running diagonally across the face. Oops there goes the seal integrity! So I do as any good diver who has $25 dollars worth of worthless goods in his hands, me thinks that by flipping it over to the exhale side then the inhale side would have a clean seal…aint kilt me yet? Handling RPC’s is a consideration and they do have an Achilles Heel in durability to divers like me.

Genesis · 14th December 2005, 02:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

Recovering a completely flooded scrubber / loop….wow! Not trying to be sarcastic, just realistic and it sounds like a nice proposition but the reality is wow – blow all the water out of a loop / scrubber / wet sensors…like I said wow, I would like to see this happen. I’ve seen CisLunar divers get out of the water, dump a loop out and get back in, but never seen a full recovery underwater.

I haven't seen it personally either but it has been reported that it has been actually DONE on the Optima by their "Crash test dummies" during testing...

**JPJones** · 14th December 2005, 03:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

Who knows it may become an option (computer)... Kevin talked about adding it to the HH several years ago but it never materialized..

Don't count on a controller in the secondary
a) first its against his philosophy
b) would require a different cable to be custom manufactured (he doesnt have any spare conductors in the cable).. The cable is prohibitly expensive and needs to be purchased in very large lengths (min 4000ft if I remember correctly)
c) would raise cost more than a few $$ because it would probably mean stocking two different types of wire and connectors..

I understand that it will be a backup computer sometime in the future, but even that is a major investment for Kevin to make. Right now it drives the HUD and serves as a backup monitor. Running manual is not a problem that would justify the cost in software and hardware.

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 14th December 2005, 03:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis)

I haven't seen it personally either but it has been reported that it has been actually DONE on the Optima by their "Crash test dummies" during testing...

During the demo that I attended, a diver trying out the unit accidentally left the DSV open. When the next diver put on the unit and climbed back into the spring, she stood there for about five minutes with it open while the instructor conducted the briefing.

When she put the mouthpiece in her mouth, "glurg, glurg, glurg." The instructor said, "Hey, everybody watching, this is the perfect chance for me to show you how the unit recovers from a flood." We watched as the the instructor instructed the diver, and the diver proceeded to clear the loop. After that, not only did this diver complete her demo but about seven more also did so after. I found this to be pretty impressive.

barney · 14th December 2005, 03:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

During the demo that I attended, a diver trying out the unit accidentally left the DSV open. When the next diver put on the unit and climbed back into the spring, she stood there for about five minutes with it open while the instructor conducted the briefing.

When she put the mouthpiece in her mouth, "glurg, glurg, glurg." The instructor said, "Hey, everybody watching, this is the perfect chance for me to show you how the unit recovers from a flood." We watched as the the instructor instructed the diver, and the diver proceeded to clear the loop. After that, not only did this diver complete her demo but about seven more also did so after. I found this to be pretty impressive.

Did they not sanitize the CLs between divers?

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 14th December 2005, 03:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

"Doesn't happen" claims always make me suspicious.
What about a bad seal around the cartridge?

If the entire canister had a bad seal, it would seem that the water leak would be more of a problem than anything, and I don't know a way to get around that one. However, the canister does have a double o-ring seal around it.

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

"Based on what and compared to what? Do you have any numbers?

Having tried Dolphins with Dräger and Micropre scrubbers I don't remember any major improvement in WOB.

The overall design allows gas to exchange evenly over the surface of the cartridge as compared to gas finding the path of least resistance in packed sorb, which can vary everytime it is packed by hand. Also, as to the Optima, itself, as well as the shortened breathing loop and horizontal mounting just behind the head contributes to the overall low WOB.

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

"You might want to head over to Scubaboard and search for Teksimple's absorbant saga ... a friggin' nightmare. The problem is that many of the best dive destinations are in banana republics where anything goes.

I can only report what I have been told. My most recent information comes from the Tech Show in Palm Beach County, Florida, USA, last week where I inquired about this. Also, I have been given some helpful hints on what to do when traveling that includes doing things like:

1) Carrying photos of yourself in the gear in order to demonstrate that it is diving gear. Put this in with your gear, and enclose a note that says: "This is diving gear."

2) Print out the material safety data sheet and put with the sorb. Also carry a duplicate copy with you.

3) I know that this sounds crazy, but I am told that this next one helps, too: Print out labels from your computer printer, and attach to materials, stating: "Safe for Airline Transport."

4) Put a copy of the manual in with the rebreather.

5) Put sorb in tupperware (sealed plasticware used to preserved leftover food after meals), and carry like this rather than commercial boxes, etc.

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

The cartridges are more expensive than the granules, and you need more of them for the same amount of diving.

I think that this is the real issue with most people that don't like the cartridges. In fact, I would go so far as to say that some will use a lot of other reasons to put them down when, in fact, the somewhat higher cost is their real issue.

For me, compared to the amount that I pay for a trimix fill for open circuit, I am quite content with how much diving using these cartridges will cost me even if that is more than it would be when compared to packing my own. I like the other aspects, and I deem it lower risk. To me, paying a little extra for these benefits outweighs the added cost. It is still relatively inexpensive, and I think that the safety issues outweigh the costs financially.

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

"Yes, but when and where? That is wishfull (albeit likely) thinking, but would I base a $7,500 CCR purchase on it? Probably not. Logistics with a Rebreather are already a pita, and supplies limited to few locations when compared to OC.

I am okay with bringing my own or shipping to my destination in advance. These might not be options you would explore. However, I am quite okay about doing this in order to enjoy my dive experience.

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 14th December 2005, 03:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by barney)

Did they not sanitize the CLs between divers?

Nope. Everyone just took their chances. Two units for about 20 or more people. As each diver finished up, he or she climbed out of the water and exchanged the unit with the next.

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*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,498	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) There is potential chaneling of sorb that does not happen with the cartridges. "Doesn't happen" claims always make me suspicious. What about a bad seal around the cartridge? Quote: They make for a reduced WOB when used with rebreathers that are made to use them. Based on what and compared to what? Do you have any numbers? Having tried Dolphins with Dräger and Micropre scrubbers I don't remember any major improvement in WOB. Quote: I have checked with a lot of people that travel, and they tell me that shipping or sending along with your dive gear is no problem. You might want to head over to Scubaboard and search for Teksimple's absorbant saga ... a friggin' nightmare. The problem is that many of the best dive destinations are in banana republics where anything goes. The cartridges are more expensive than the granules, and you need more of them for the same amount of diving. That can only translate into more customs duties. Quote: Also, more and more places abroad will start to carry the cartridges over time. Yes, but when and where? That is wishfull (albeit likely) thinking, but would I base a $7,500 CCR purchase on it? Probably not. Logistics with a Rebreather are already a pita, and supplies limited to few locations when compared to OC. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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14th December 2005, 00:55	#22 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis) The truly big advantage to the cartridge is that apparently it is EXTREMELY resistant to "cocktailing" if it gets flooded - to the point that recovering a completely flooded scrubber and loop is not only possible, its practical. HOWEVER, until the cartridge price gets down to $20 or less each its still stupid-fing expensive compared to loose-pack sorb. Whether its worth it is an individual decision. It also is a major issue for travel, especially outside the US if you have to ship the cartridges around..... I have a case of them here and am testing them for my homebuild. I suspect that in the end I will go with loose sorb, simply due to the logistics and cost of diving with these things, but I may make up two cans so I have a choice..... Recovering a completely flooded scrubber / loop….wow! Not trying to be sarcastic, just realistic and it sounds like a nice proposition but the reality is wow – blow all the water out of a loop / scrubber / wet sensors…like I said wow, I would like to see this happen. I’ve seen CisLunar divers get out of the water, dump a loop out and get back in, but never seen a full recovery underwater. It is a bold and daring statement for a rebreathers manufacture to introduce a product on the market, a market that already has some good competition, to utilizes a unique scrubber media such as RPC’s. This and only this kind of statement will make the growth of RPC’s more readily available for universal availability. However the sales of these items would have to increase way beyond the Optima to show any impact in a market as small as sport diving ccr’s. I too would like to see the price drop, but not too convinced that it will happen any time soon. I commend Dive Rite for the bold step in embracing this technology, not that I wouldn't like to see an insert for granular chemical. Personally I don’t want to go to Timbuktoo and find pails of chemical and no lil’ round cartridges. Regarding the use of chemical in the Optima - bah - not impressed if ten people already tested this and if DR had 100 kits on the shelf ready to go, until I see a SKU number in the price list, it doesn't exist! DR will have to address this issue or the use of Optimas will be hampered in some environments. For those divers who started diving the Atlantis / Dolphin units, you may remember the methods of disposing of used sorb; some advocated spreading it out on the grass, dump it in the bushes, placing it in the rubbish…all perfectly fine for a spent chalk / lime substance. Not that I was fond of spreading used sorb on my lawn, but I think I want to test this next spring as I spread some used RPC cartridges around my lawn. Mind you this is only for the effect it will have on my neighbors. I can see them now “Ron what in hll are those odd cylindrical lumps in your lawn”? So what is proper with spent RPC’s - land fill? While I enjoy using RPC’s there are some considerations, and I will watch the list to see what happens as more divers use them, and look for the feedback. Yes the Optima is a comfortable rig in the water, several pluses . Now if you will excuse me I have to go and find a tree to hug… Ron __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,326	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Genesis, thanks for the imput. those are some interesting things you have pointed out. - I like the reduced risk of cocktaling due to the cartridge and also the counter lung configuration...it allows you to take on quite a bit of water before it's a big problem and allows you to drain it on the fly. but F'n El, the added opperating cost due to the canister price given that there is no current granular canister option is a big deterrent. I'm not cheap, but operating cost is an important consideration...i'd gotten used to the claim that the operating cost of rebreathers is around the cost of nitrox...that seemed do-able. - Added density and thus less bouyent scrubber canister may have significantly contributed to sense that the rig was so much easier to fly and didn't require a lot of lead. - So maybe using a different canister is the only way to retrofit...hmm. don't have a clue how hard that would be to do. geo - __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) "Doesn't happen" claims always make me suspicious. What about a bad seal around the cartridge? Having tried Dolphins with Dräger and Micropre scrubbers I don't remember any major improvement in WOB. Started using the RPC’s a little over a year ago in my dolphin, azimuth and inspiration and never had difficulty until I installed one in my Optima. It was a simple slide in, hesitate – hum – check alignment of the center O2 tube / fastening nut, slide out to look and I discovered a nasty cut running diagonally across the face. Oops there goes the seal integrity! So I do as any good diver who has $25 dollars worth of worthless goods in his hands, me thinks that by flipping it over to the exhale side then the inhale side would have a clean seal…aint kilt me yet? Handling RPC’s is a consideration and they do have an Achilles Heel in durability to divers like me. __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,396	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) Recovering a completely flooded scrubber / loop….wow! Not trying to be sarcastic, just realistic and it sounds like a nice proposition but the reality is wow – blow all the water out of a loop / scrubber / wet sensors…like I said wow, I would like to see this happen. I’ve seen CisLunar divers get out of the water, dump a loop out and get back in, but never seen a full recovery underwater. I haven't seen it personally either but it has been reported that it has been actually DONE on the Optima by their "Crash test dummies" during testing...
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JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) Who knows it may become an option (computer)... Kevin talked about adding it to the HH several years ago but it never materialized.. Don't count on a controller in the secondary a) first its against his philosophy b) would require a different cable to be custom manufactured (he doesnt have any spare conductors in the cable).. The cable is prohibitly expensive and needs to be purchased in very large lengths (min 4000ft if I remember correctly) c) would raise cost more than a few $$ because it would probably mean stocking two different types of wire and connectors.. I understand that it will be a backup computer sometime in the future, but even that is a major investment for Kevin to make. Right now it drives the HUD and serves as a backup monitor. Running manual is not a problem that would justify the cost in software and hardware. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,138	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis) I haven't seen it personally either but it has been reported that it has been actually DONE on the Optima by their "Crash test dummies" during testing... During the demo that I attended, a diver trying out the unit accidentally left the DSV open. When the next diver put on the unit and climbed back into the spring, she stood there for about five minutes with it open while the instructor conducted the briefing. When she put the mouthpiece in her mouth, "glurg, glurg, glurg." The instructor said, "Hey, everybody watching, this is the perfect chance for me to show you how the unit recovers from a flood." We watched as the the instructor instructed the diver, and the diver proceeded to clear the loop. After that, not only did this diver complete her demo but about seven more also did so after. I found this to be pretty impressive. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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barney Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 288	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) During the demo that I attended, a diver trying out the unit accidentally left the DSV open. When the next diver put on the unit and climbed back into the spring, she stood there for about five minutes with it open while the instructor conducted the briefing. When she put the mouthpiece in her mouth, "glurg, glurg, glurg." The instructor said, "Hey, everybody watching, this is the perfect chance for me to show you how the unit recovers from a flood." We watched as the the instructor instructed the diver, and the diver proceeded to clear the loop. After that, not only did this diver complete her demo but about seven more also did so after. I found this to be pretty impressive. Did they not sanitize the CLs between divers? __________________ Michael C. Barnette ASSOCIATION OF UNDERWATER EXPLORERS
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14th December 2005, 03:42	#29 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,138	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) "Doesn't happen" claims always make me suspicious. What about a bad seal around the cartridge? If the entire canister had a bad seal, it would seem that the water leak would be more of a problem than anything, and I don't know a way to get around that one. However, the canister does have a double o-ring seal around it. Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) "Based on what and compared to what? Do you have any numbers? Having tried Dolphins with Dräger and Micropre scrubbers I don't remember any major improvement in WOB. The overall design allows gas to exchange evenly over the surface of the cartridge as compared to gas finding the path of least resistance in packed sorb, which can vary everytime it is packed by hand. Also, as to the Optima, itself, as well as the shortened breathing loop and horizontal mounting just behind the head contributes to the overall low WOB. Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) "You might want to head over to Scubaboard and search for Teksimple's absorbant saga ... a friggin' nightmare. The problem is that many of the best dive destinations are in banana republics where anything goes. I can only report what I have been told. My most recent information comes from the Tech Show in Palm Beach County, Florida, USA, last week where I inquired about this. Also, I have been given some helpful hints on what to do when traveling that includes doing things like: 1) Carrying photos of yourself in the gear in order to demonstrate that it is diving gear. Put this in with your gear, and enclose a note that says: "This is diving gear." 2) Print out the material safety data sheet and put with the sorb. Also carry a duplicate copy with you. 3) I know that this sounds crazy, but I am told that this next one helps, too: Print out labels from your computer printer, and attach to materials, stating: "Safe for Airline Transport." 4) Put a copy of the manual in with the rebreather. 5) Put sorb in tupperware (sealed plasticware used to preserved leftover food after meals), and carry like this rather than commercial boxes, etc. Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) The cartridges are more expensive than the granules, and you need more of them for the same amount of diving. I think that this is the real issue with most people that don't like the cartridges. In fact, I would go so far as to say that some will use a lot of other reasons to put them down when, in fact, the somewhat higher cost is their real issue. For me, compared to the amount that I pay for a trimix fill for open circuit, I am quite content with how much diving using these cartridges will cost me even if that is more than it would be when compared to packing my own. I like the other aspects, and I deem it lower risk. To me, paying a little extra for these benefits outweighs the added cost. It is still relatively inexpensive, and I think that the safety issues outweigh the costs financially. Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) "Yes, but when and where? That is wishfull (albeit likely) thinking, but would I base a $7,500 CCR purchase on it? Probably not. Logistics with a Rebreather are already a pita, and supplies limited to few locations when compared to OC. I am okay with bringing my own or shipping to my destination in advance. These might not be options you would explore. However, I am quite okay about doing this in order to enjoy my dive experience. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com Last edited by ScubaDadMiami : 14th December 2005 at 03:52.
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*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,138	Re: Which CCR I think is the best...for me. Quote: (Originally Posted by barney) Did they not sanitize the CLs between divers? Nope. Everyone just took their chances. Two units for about 20 or more people. As each diver finished up, he or she climbed out of the water and exchanged the unit with the next. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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