The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz!

jkaterenchuk · 1st April 2008, 23:44

sorry you did not read the fine print......submersion in pea soup voids the warranty.

John

**Gill Envy** · 2nd April 2008, 00:21

Neil, sure enough, I set up what I thought was the worst case scenario to illustrate a point...that it's possible. But in real life, viz that is so bad that you can't even see the HUD on the DSV is rare enough that such a solution is probably adequate to get you out of the worst of it. Maybe I should whip up some french onion soup to illustrate more moderate silt out conditions and see if the lights are visible from the DSV. Tomorrow for lunch perhaps.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sutty)

Nicely done! - but..... I'd like to see how much separation between mask and HUD you could have before it became unreadable. Sure, if we stick a HUD to the outside of the glass of a mask we will be able to see it in wet cement, but it doesn't simulate whether you can see a HUD attached to a DSV, with maybe 5-10cm separation between mask and HUD, in bad vis.

Did you eat the soup after?

Neil

Trukdiver · 2nd April 2008, 01:21

Your demonstration is very timely! I just ordered a Shearwater HUD for my CK. :-)

Interesting fact...more than 1/2 of all CK owners now have a Shearwater on their rigs.

**kevin stone** · 2nd April 2008, 01:36

That was the funniest thing I have seen in a long time!
I have my HUD (DIVA) so it touches my mask and it works great
Nothing beats a good science experiment.

UKSteve · 2nd April 2008, 06:37

I'm sorry.. but this test is utterly inconclusive, simply trailer science!!

As you well know, according to CE 0104 (USN 04/01) the soup must be formulated as per BS SH1Tand has to be maintained at a constant temperature of 85 deg C (god knows what this is in deg F and frankly, who cares?!!). The test should be performed in a pressure cooker at an ambient pressure of 4 bar (equivalent to 28m soup). As the human is such a poor judge of light, photo voltaeic light sensors should be placed in the mask.

Instrumentation of pressures, temperatures and light should be calibrated before and after the test and a full test chart produced recording the consistencey of the soup as well as all other relevant parameter. Testing will be performed in the presence the soup manufacturer.

What you have produced is simply an amateurish attempt to distroy the market share of tomato and sweetcorn soup producers to gain an unfair trade advantage - some may even regard this as carpet bombing using innacurate and unrepresentative data.

Sir, I consider you a traitor to the cause!!

Steve

Ben Field · 2nd April 2008, 06:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Trukdiver)

Your demonstration is very timely! I just ordered a Shearwater HUD for my CK. :-)

Interesting fact...more than 1/2 of all CK owners now have a Shearwater on their rigs.

Great demo, other manufacturers take note... Bruce must be so proud...

I expect to see all ANSTI machines filled with chilled soup from now on to accurately match this benchmark test.

Interesting claim with regard Shearwaters on KISS's- that assumes whoever told you knows exactly how many CK there are and how many CK Shearwaters have been sold... brave claim.

divetheworld · 2nd April 2008, 07:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

I'm sorry.. but this test is utterly inconclusive, simply trailer science!!

As you well know, according to CE 0104 (USN 04/01) the soup must be formulated as per BS SH1Tand has to be maintained at a constant temperature of 85 deg C (god knows what this is in deg F and frankly, who cares?!!). The test should be performed in a pressure cooker at an ambient pressure of 4 bar (equivalent to 28m soup). As the human is such a poor judge of light, photo voltaeic light sensors should be placed in the mask.

Instrumentation of pressures, temperatures and light should be calibrated before and after the test and a full test chart produced recording the consistencey of the soup as well as all other relevant parameter. Testing will be performed in the presence the soup manufacturer.

What you have produced is simply an amateurish attempt to distroy the market share of tomato and sweetcorn soup producers to gain an unfair trade advantage - some may even regard this as carpet bombing using innacurate and unrepresentative data.

Sir, I consider you a traitor to the cause!!

Steve

Steve,

Clearly your post demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the standards. NORSOUP T/OSSR clearly indicates that BS SH1T only be used when meat products are included. We all know that you cant have pea soup without ham.
I will give you fair credit for your correct use of units in your post, British and metric units are the only units to use and everything else is for poofs BUT - this forum is a place where we should converse sensibly and respect other's opinion and therefore I have restrained myself and stopped short of accusing you of bias and of being a blatent vegatarian but I warn you not to push me.

respectfully, Brent.

Mdemon · 2nd April 2008, 07:45

Hahahahaha! FANTASTIC! More garage experimentation needed!

Good comment on the separation though - need about 5cm of pea soup for a realistic test. That, and the fact that you need toast with pea soup.

For Experiment #2, use French Onion soup with added croutons to simulate cave conditions. And don't forget to demonstrate the plastic bag/gin bottle solutions of instrument reading!

divetheworld · 2nd April 2008, 10:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

And don't forget to demonstrate the plastic bag/gin bottle solutions of instrument reading!

I understand CeeBee is pretty good with a gin bottle. Might be worth getting an expert on board.

Brent

CeeBee · 2nd April 2008, 11:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

I understand CeeBee is pretty good with a gin bottle. Might be worth getting an expert on board.

Brent

Would you mind rephrasing that. Or at least elaborate.

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Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,315	Re: The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz! Neil, sure enough, I set up what I thought was the worst case scenario to illustrate a point...that it's possible. But in real life, viz that is so bad that you can't even see the HUD on the DSV is rare enough that such a solution is probably adequate to get you out of the worst of it. Maybe I should whip up some french onion soup to illustrate more moderate silt out conditions and see if the lights are visible from the DSV. Tomorrow for lunch perhaps. Quote: (Originally Posted by Sutty) Nicely done! - but..... I'd like to see how much separation between mask and HUD you could have before it became unreadable. Sure, if we stick a HUD to the outside of the glass of a mask we will be able to see it in wet cement, but it doesn't simulate whether you can see a HUD attached to a DSV, with maybe 5-10cm separation between mask and HUD, in bad vis. Did you eat the soup after? Neil __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 3rd April 2008 at 05:11.
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kevin stone Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: us ct. Posts: 215	Re: The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz! That was the funniest thing I have seen in a long time! I have my HUD (DIVA) so it touches my mask and it works great Nothing beats a good science experiment.
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UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 598	Re: The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz! I'm sorry.. but this test is utterly inconclusive, simply trailer science!! As you well know, according to CE 0104 (USN 04/01) the soup must be formulated as per BS SH1Tand has to be maintained at a constant temperature of 85 deg C (god knows what this is in deg F and frankly, who cares?!!). The test should be performed in a pressure cooker at an ambient pressure of 4 bar (equivalent to 28m soup). As the human is such a poor judge of light, photo voltaeic light sensors should be placed in the mask. Instrumentation of pressures, temperatures and light should be calibrated before and after the test and a full test chart produced recording the consistencey of the soup as well as all other relevant parameter. Testing will be performed in the presence the soup manufacturer. What you have produced is simply an amateurish attempt to distroy the market share of tomato and sweetcorn soup producers to gain an unfair trade advantage - some may even regard this as carpet bombing using innacurate and unrepresentative data. Sir, I consider you a traitor to the cause!! Steve
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Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,627	Re: The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz! Quote: (Originally Posted by Trukdiver) Your demonstration is very timely! I just ordered a Shearwater HUD for my CK. :-) Interesting fact...more than 1/2 of all CK owners now have a Shearwater on their rigs. Great demo, other manufacturers take note... Bruce must be so proud... I expect to see all ANSTI machines filled with chilled soup from now on to accurately match this benchmark test. Interesting claim with regard Shearwaters on KISS's- that assumes whoever told you knows exactly how many CK there are and how many CK Shearwaters have been sold... brave claim. __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz! Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) I'm sorry.. but this test is utterly inconclusive, simply trailer science!! As you well know, according to CE 0104 (USN 04/01) the soup must be formulated as per BS SH1Tand has to be maintained at a constant temperature of 85 deg C (god knows what this is in deg F and frankly, who cares?!!). The test should be performed in a pressure cooker at an ambient pressure of 4 bar (equivalent to 28m soup). As the human is such a poor judge of light, photo voltaeic light sensors should be placed in the mask. Instrumentation of pressures, temperatures and light should be calibrated before and after the test and a full test chart produced recording the consistencey of the soup as well as all other relevant parameter. Testing will be performed in the presence the soup manufacturer. What you have produced is simply an amateurish attempt to distroy the market share of tomato and sweetcorn soup producers to gain an unfair trade advantage - some may even regard this as carpet bombing using innacurate and unrepresentative data. Sir, I consider you a traitor to the cause!! Steve Steve, Clearly your post demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the standards. NORSOUP T/OSSR clearly indicates that BS SH1T only be used when meat products are included. We all know that you cant have pea soup without ham. I will give you fair credit for your correct use of units in your post, British and metric units are the only units to use and everything else is for poofs BUT - this forum is a place where we should converse sensibly and respect other's opinion and therefore I have restrained myself and stopped short of accusing you of bias and of being a blatent vegatarian but I warn you not to push me. respectfully, Brent. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 2nd April 2008 at 14:17.
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divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: The Shearwater HUD in Pea Soup...Zero viz! Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) And don't forget to demonstrate the plastic bag/gin bottle solutions of instrument reading! I understand CeeBee is pretty good with a gin bottle. Might be worth getting an expert on board. Brent __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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