Design faults on the CCR I dive:

ccr_ada · 1st July 2008, 11:49

all the talk of battery bounce had me thinking is it just battery bounce that turnes the classic inspo off?
you can turn a classic off without touching the micro switches and leaving the switches turned on!

if you push up the 2 outside sliders together on the master the handset will turn off and beep then the slave will swap to the master but the microswitch will still be in the on position

if you turn the slave off 1st like this the is no beep so you wont know unless you look at your slave!

this is easy to do with gloved hands when pushing the slider up to turn the back light on and you can catch the center slider as well turning the handset off
it is easy to catch the handset sliders when getting in the water as well as they are moving around!

ada

Stephane · 1st July 2008, 13:24

Hi Mark,

Quote:

Standard rEvo MCCR

* Hud showing forth cell flashes red when forth cell not present getting the diver used to seeing red flashes

The rEvodream can be programmed to display only one cell so this is not really a design fault if the user doesn't read the manual.

What is missing on the LCD screen is a way to indicate which cell is being displayed.

paulraymaekers · 1st July 2008, 14:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane)

Hi Mark,

The rEvodream can be programmed to display only one cell so this is not really a design fault if the user doesn't read the manual.

What is missing on the LCD screen is a way to indicate which cell is being displayed.

... or something was not shown during training...

paul

J. V. · 1st July 2008, 15:32

Quote:

Standard rEvo MCCR
"Hud showing forth cell flashes red when forth cell not present getting the diver used to red flashes."

No, it will flash orange, and gauge will display something like 0.00 .
Which is exactly what it is supposed to do.
If you dive with a hud flashing orange and a gauge displaying 0.00, you have forgot something...

**Dave Sutton** · 1st July 2008, 17:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Standard rEvo MCCR

Hud showing forth cell flashes red when forth cell not present getting the diver used to seeing red flashes

Uhhh...... No.

If you saw one that way the software was not toggled to 1 cell position.

If you had a hard time seeing the right HUD, the owner had not adjusted the HUD bracket correctly.

I'd argue a few other points too, but these two are very simple technical points not subject to discussion. "Facts is Facts".

Best,

Dave

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**Dave Sutton** · 1st July 2008, 18:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by AndyP)

On the rEvo I have niggles not problems;

1) with stages on, it's hard to find a place to put the dreams so you can get at them easily
2) the HUD is a bit wide and the outside one is not instantly obvious (mind you I have poor peripheral vision in my right eye and it could be me)
3) again on the dreams, it would be nice to have a loop of some sort so I could put a boltsnap on to clip it off somewhere.

():

)1): Tuck them under a cross chest strap..... or follow step (3) below and clip them to each other.

(2): Bend the HUD bracket

And put a split ring around one of the bolts that screws the dream to the SPG.

That's all just rigging issues. I'd hope that your instructor might have assisted these? My backplate came unadjusted too... that's not a problem with the backplate...

Dave

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Hanssing · 1st July 2008, 18:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

():
)1): Tuck them under a cross chest strap..... or follow step (3) below and clip them to each other.

Or use the poor-mans-rEvodream-retainer (if you dont have a chest-strap, I ditched mine):

Tie a loop of thin-gauge bungy through the crothstrap quick-release band, that goes around the waist-belt. During the dive just tug them into the loop, this keeps them flush to the body, and cost nothing, weighs nothing, and actually works great.

You can just pull them up if you want to look at them, the bungy is flexible enough. I think this one does not need a picture :-)

BTW: I dont have the solution on the Avatar.

Nicolai

ianfirmin · 6th July 2008, 18:04

Both the clear lungs on my Submatix failed with a split next to a connector. The new lungs are a different translucent material so I assume the manufacturer has recognised this as a poor material choice which has now been rectified. However there may be a number of clear lungs still out there....

The failure was very slow and only first showed on a long neg test.

Everything else has been very reliable and works well (so far...)

Excellent thread!

ATB
Ian

divetheworld · 6th July 2008, 20:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by ianfirmin)

Both the clear lungs on my Submatix failed with a split next to a connector. The new lungs are a different translucent material so I assume the manufacturer has recognised this as a poor material choice which has now been rectified. However there may be a number of clear lungs still out there....

The failure was very slow and only first showed on a long neg test.

Everything else has been very reliable and works well (so far...)

Excellent thread!

ATB
Ian

Are your lungs the Co-axial or compound lungs? I remember the first lungs they used (Not used now I understand) had one lung inside the other. This means it would pass a pos/neg test if there was a split but bypass badly.

B

ianfirmin · 7th July 2008, 08:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

Are your lungs the Co-axial or compound lungs? I remember the first lungs they used (Not used now I understand) had one lung inside the other. This means it would pass a pos/neg test if there was a split but bypass badly. B

My unit is no: 302 and has the side by side lungs; not one inside the other.

Cheers
Ian

1st July 2008, 11:49	#131 (permalink)
ccr_ada 07971475781 Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: uk sorry G.B. Posts: 222	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: all the talk of battery bounce had me thinking is it just battery bounce that turnes the classic inspo off? you can turn a classic off without touching the micro switches and leaving the switches turned on! if you push up the 2 outside sliders together on the master the handset will turn off and beep then the slave will swap to the master but the microswitch will still be in the on position if you turn the slave off 1st like this the is no beep so you wont know unless you look at your slave! this is easy to do with gloved hands when pushing the slider up to turn the back light on and you can catch the center slider as well turning the handset off it is easy to catch the handset sliders when getting in the water as well as they are moving around! ada
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1st July 2008, 13:24	#132 (permalink)
Stephane Stéphane Acounis Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 771	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Hi Mark, Quote: Standard rEvo MCCR * Hud showing forth cell flashes red when forth cell not present getting the diver used to seeing red flashes The rEvodream can be programmed to display only one cell so this is not really a design fault if the user doesn't read the manual. What is missing on the LCD screen is a way to indicate which cell is being displayed. __________________ Stéphane
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1st July 2008, 14:11	#133 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,511	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane) Hi Mark, The rEvodream can be programmed to display only one cell so this is not really a design fault if the user doesn't read the manual. What is missing on the LCD screen is a way to indicate which cell is being displayed. ... or something was not shown during training... paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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1st July 2008, 15:32	#134 (permalink)
J. V. Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet rEvo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lot & Savoie Posts: 240	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: Standard rEvo MCCR "Hud showing forth cell flashes red when forth cell not present getting the diver used to red flashes." No, it will flash orange, and gauge will display something like 0.00 . Which is exactly what it is supposed to do. If you dive with a hud flashing orange and a gauge displaying 0.00, you have forgot something... __________________ -------------------- Jacques NPSFQQA-EDS IT # 007 (remué non agité)
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1st July 2008, 17:43	#135 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,676	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Standard rEvo MCCR Hud showing forth cell flashes red when forth cell not present getting the diver used to seeing red flashes Uhhh...... No. If you saw one that way the software was not toggled to 1 cell position. If you had a hard time seeing the right HUD, the owner had not adjusted the HUD bracket correctly. I'd argue a few other points too, but these two are very simple technical points not subject to discussion. "Facts is Facts". Best, Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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1st July 2008, 18:06	#136 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,676	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: (Originally Posted by AndyP) On the rEvo I have niggles not problems; 1) with stages on, it's hard to find a place to put the dreams so you can get at them easily 2) the HUD is a bit wide and the outside one is not instantly obvious (mind you I have poor peripheral vision in my right eye and it could be me) 3) again on the dreams, it would be nice to have a loop of some sort so I could put a boltsnap on to clip it off somewhere. (): )1): Tuck them under a cross chest strap..... or follow step (3) below and clip them to each other. (2): Bend the HUD bracket And put a split ring around one of the bolts that screws the dream to the SPG. That's all just rigging issues. I'd hope that your instructor might have assisted these? My backplate came unadjusted too... that's not a problem with the backplate... Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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1st July 2008, 18:13	#137 (permalink)
Hanssing flap-flop ..... flap-flop Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 408	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) (): )1): Tuck them under a cross chest strap..... or follow step (3) below and clip them to each other. Or use the poor-mans-rEvodream-retainer (if you dont have a chest-strap, I ditched mine): Tie a loop of thin-gauge bungy through the crothstrap quick-release band, that goes around the waist-belt. During the dive just tug them into the loop, this keeps them flush to the body, and cost nothing, weighs nothing, and actually works great. You can just pull them up if you want to look at them, the bungy is flexible enough. I think this one does not need a picture :-) BTW: I dont have the solution on the Avatar. Nicolai __________________ Woohooo - I can change my rEvo! Its going to be bitchin' tricked out piece of gear Last edited by Hanssing : 1st July 2008 at 18:16.
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6th July 2008, 18:04	#138 (permalink)
ianfirmin New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hexham, Northumberland Posts: 53	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Both the clear lungs on my Submatix failed with a split next to a connector. The new lungs are a different translucent material so I assume the manufacturer has recognised this as a poor material choice which has now been rectified. However there may be a number of clear lungs still out there.... The failure was very slow and only first showed on a long neg test. Everything else has been very reliable and works well (so far...) Excellent thread! ATB Ian
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6th July 2008, 20:25	#139 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,588	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: (Originally Posted by ianfirmin) Both the clear lungs on my Submatix failed with a split next to a connector. The new lungs are a different translucent material so I assume the manufacturer has recognised this as a poor material choice which has now been rectified. However there may be a number of clear lungs still out there.... The failure was very slow and only first showed on a long neg test. Everything else has been very reliable and works well (so far...) Excellent thread! ATB Ian Are your lungs the Co-axial or compound lungs? I remember the first lungs they used (Not used now I understand) had one lung inside the other. This means it would pass a pos/neg test if there was a split but bypass badly. B __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
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7th July 2008, 08:12	#140 (permalink)
ianfirmin New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hexham, Northumberland Posts: 53	Re: Design faults on the CCR I dive: Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) Are your lungs the Co-axial or compound lungs? I remember the first lungs they used (Not used now I understand) had one lung inside the other. This means it would pass a pos/neg test if there was a split but bypass badly. B My unit is no: 302 and has the side by side lungs; not one inside the other. Cheers Ian
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