It appears you have not yet registered with our community. To register for free click here
Rebreather World
       
Go Back Rebreather World Rebreather Diving General Rebreather Diving

What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 27th January 2008, 22:44   #1 (permalink)
New Member
 
ianfirmin's Avatar

Current Rebreather/s:
Other CCR

Other Rebreather/s:
Other CCR
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hexham, Northumberland
Posts: 37
ianfirmin is an unknown quantity at this point
What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing

Does anyone out there have any numbers on the amount of inert gas removed from a body during decompression? If this was (has been?) measured it may give an indication of the accuracy of the compartment model.

Lets say a body (human, goat whatever) was (in the terms of the decompression model) taken from one saturation state to another and the amount of inert gas exhaled was measured then....if you could estimate the ratio of body mass in various tissue compartments and the amount of gas expected to be excreted you may be able to validate the model.

I'm also interested if the amount of inert gas expired would significantly effect the existing fractions of gas in the loop.

Any info on this??

Kind regards
Ian
(Offline)
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Old 27th January 2008, 23:00   #2 (permalink)
Custom Title Allowed!
 
sensor330's Avatar

Current Rebreather/s:
Megalodon

Other Rebreather/s:
Not Bought Yet
Inspiration Classic
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 549
sensor330 is a jewel in the roughsensor330 is a jewel in the roughsensor330 is a jewel in the roughsensor330 is a jewel in the roughsensor330 is a jewel in the roughsensor330 is a jewel in the roughsensor330 is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via Yahoo to sensor330
Re: What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing

Quote: (Originally Posted by ianfirmin) View Original Post
Does anyone out there have any numbers on the amount of inert gas removed from a body during decompression? If this was (has been?) measured it may give an indication of the accuracy of the compartment model.

Lets say a body (human, goat whatever) was (in the terms of the decompression model) taken from one saturation state to another and the amount of inert gas exhaled was measured then....if you could estimate the ratio of body mass in various tissue compartments and the amount of gas expected to be excreted you may be able to validate the model.

I'm also interested if the amount of inert gas expired would significantly effect the existing fractions of gas in the loop.

Any info on this??

Kind regards
Ian
Its not an exact science. I've done some experiment diving at DRDC in Toronto and it was uncommon for two individuals had the same bubble score, a number they give you to represent the amount of dissolved gas in your blood. As well your individual bubble score varied on a day to day basis. When the DCIEM table were developed there was a number of people who did get bent. Can't remember the number but from what I remember I was fairly surprised at the percentage of DCS occurance while diving within the prescribed table.

Scott
(Offline)
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Old 27th January 2008, 23:52   #3 (permalink)
What is this..terrafirma?
 
mempilot's Avatar

Current Rebreather/s:
Megalodon

Other Rebreather/s:
Megalodon
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ft. Lauderdale
Posts: 1,179
mempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud ofmempilot has much to be proud of
Re: What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing

How long do you want to stay underwater? There is an acceptable amount of residual inert gas that can remain, which will work it's way out over a surface interval. You can look at M-values and percentages, which is not an exact science, to get an idea of how 'clean' you will be. But, everyone is different in there tissure composition, so go luck finding an exact value.

So to give you an answer: Some of it, most of it, all of it, it depends.
__________________
MEM "Da Pilot"

Black holes are where God divided by zero.

"If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent."

"Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins

"Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
(Offline)
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Old 27th January 2008, 23:55   #4 (permalink)
Going Down?
 
Dsix36's Avatar

Current Rebreather/s:
Optima

Other Rebreather/s:
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida
Posts: 891
Dsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of lightDsix36 is a glorious beacon of light
Send a message via AIM to Dsix36 Send a message via MSN to Dsix36 Send a message via Yahoo to Dsix36
Re: What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) View Original Post
So to give you an answer: Some of it, most of it, all of it, it depends.

Doesn't get more definite than that!!!



.
__________________
THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
(Offline)
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Old 28th January 2008, 00:27   #5 (permalink)
Normal people worry me
 
jaap's Avatar

Current Rebreather/s:
Classic Kiss
Other CCR
RB80 / Clone
Ray
Other SCR
Home Build

Other Rebreather/s:
Other CCR
RB80 / Clone
Ray
Other SCR
Home Build
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Stockholm Sweden
Posts: 438
jaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nicejaap is just really nice
Re: What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing

Quote: (Originally Posted by ianfirmin) View Original Post
Does anyone out there have any numbers on the amount of inert gas removed from a body during decompression? If this was (has been?) measured it may give an indication of the accuracy of the compartment model.

Lets say a body (human, goat whatever) was (in the terms of the decompression model) taken from one saturation state to another and the amount of inert gas exhaled was measured then....if you could estimate the ratio of body mass in various tissue compartments and the amount of gas expected to be excreted you may be able to validate the model.

I'm also interested if the amount of inert gas expired would significantly effect the existing fractions of gas in the loop.

Any info on this??

Kind regards
Ian
If you want to dig into it, do some searches on Rubicon, Rubicon Research Repository: Home

Then you will find many related things, such as this report:

http://archive.rubicon-foundation.or.../ADA277395.pdf

If a very simple and rough estimate is of any help one can approximate that a normal adult at the surface holds about 1 litre of dissolved nitrogen (can dig out a reference later). For saturation air diving it seems that Henrys law is fairly valid. This gives that a returning saturated air diver will need to eliminate something like one litre per atm of diving depth in order to eliminate all excess nitrogen. Of course this reasoning is way oversimplified.
__________________
My initials: JAAP
(Offline)
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Old 28th January 2008, 05:21   #6 (permalink)
New Member
 
ianfirmin's Avatar

Current Rebreather/s:
Other CCR

Other Rebreather/s:
Other CCR
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Hexham, Northumberland
Posts: 37
ianfirmin is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: What is the amount of inert gas removed during offgassing

Thanks for the Rubicon link. Excellent.

Cheers
Ian
(Offline)
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



RebreatherWorld.Com ©2005 - 2008 Scuba Flair Limited
Rebreather World, Rebreather World and the Rebreather World Logo are Trademarks
All rights reserved, no republishing of content without written permission.
By using this website you have agreed to our Terms & Conditions of Use

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0