popular re breather in Europe.

Icarusflies · 30th December 2007, 09:33

Hello All;

First of all, happy new years to all of you.

I just re located to Spain and I am entertaining the idea of buying a re breather.

I am concerned about spare parts and availability in Spain.

What re breather are popular in Europe besides the inspo/evo? To be in the USA I would buy either an optima or a meg, a kiss is not out of the question but here I am not sure.

Thanks;

Steve

Hanssing · 30th December 2007, 09:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Icarusflies)

I am concerned about spare parts and availability in Spain.

What re breather are popular in Europe besides the inspo/evo? To be in the USA I would buy either an optima or a meg, a kiss is not out of the question but here I am not sure.

Hi,

You dont write any designcriterias, but there are several Rebreather's beside APDs that are produced in Europe:

rEvo - mCCR+eCCR, BMCL, Extremely simple, OffTheSelf parts., "Cheap", lowprofile, sturdy, etc. I can recommend it.
Ouroboros - eCCR, BMCL, Big, exspensive, extended range type.
Sentinel - eCCR, BMCL, Not small, priced as inspo i think. Not directly available yet.

Both APD-Inspo, APD-Evo, Meg, Boris, Sentinel are eCCR where factory-service can mean shipping the unit to the maker/dealer for anual service. And they are generally considered more exspensive then their counterpart mCCRs.

Good luck in your quest - take a look in the rEvo forum.

Nicolai

Stephane · 30th December 2007, 09:53

Don't forget Submatix (Germany) and Voyager (Italy).

Hanssing · 30th December 2007, 10:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane)

Don't forget Submatix (Germany) and Voyager (Italy).

Its not a real rebreather unless it has its own forum on Rebreather World

....

But then I forgot to mention the CisPos Mark VI, wich again is a eCCR for limited diving (No deco strictly) and has not hit the market yet.

Nicolai

There is offcourse also the SCRs: Submatrix, Dolphin and Ray, but they probaly do not have your interest.

***caveseeker7*** · 30th December 2007, 10:31

He asked for popular, not available.

The number one no doubt are the AP units.

The Dräger had a good run, and a boost a few years back due to NRC heavily promoting them in Germany, as well as Austria and Switzerland. These days though support for most part seems to come from W+S Watersafety and TecMe rather than Dräger or Aqualung.

The Jetsam Classic Kiss has been quite popular, too, Kim Smith told me she's been selling more of them to Europe than in North America.

The rEvo as mentioned has developed quite a following very quickly and is worth a close look.

There have been quite a few Megs sold to Europe, too, and support seems to be okay. IIRC, it's out of Norway.

Everything else seems local and/or limited. pSCRs have been popular with European cavers, and you'll find the odd MK series, Cis-Lunar, PRISM etc in Europe.

The Ouroboros has sold reasonably well given the rather steep price tag, so the upcoming Sentinel (March 2008) should do better. Prices are between 4500 and 5400 GBP.

Jordi Mateo is a member here, based in Spain, and a good person to contact.

Sutty · 30th December 2007, 12:02

Can't comment from experience on the others, but absolutely no problem getting spares from Jetsam to the UK, very helpful and quick. Can't imagine to Spain would be much different!

Janos · 30th December 2007, 12:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sutty)

Can't comment from experience on the others, but absolutely no problem getting spares from Jetsam to the UK, very helpful and quick. Can't imagine to Spain would be much different!

I was going to post this!

Jetsam's support and customer service is speedy and superb. Whereas AP can be a bit slow at times.

Janos

Nad · 30th December 2007, 12:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos)

Jetsam's support and customer service is speedy and superb. Janos

Same for CCrb Technologies, makers of Ouroboros and Sentinel. If you have the possibility try to go to the Boot - Düsseldorf in January. You could find there the answer.

Cheers

Nad

Icarusflies · 30th December 2007, 12:58

Thank you for this info, it helps.

For what I read, kiss, revo, megs, and maybe ouroboros, even though the last one is too advanced (pricey) for the diving I am planning to do.
Service for the revo and kiss has been established to be good. My only concern with revo is that it is a relatively new unit but I must admit that it looks fantastic.

Stefan, I know Jordi, he is a fan of the classic kiss but I wanted to have more opinions since he has not dived with revo or megs. I don't know If I am foolishly drawn to the megs but in the USA they have an incredible reputation for sturdy units. Any idea how the service of these units is in Europe?

Thanks;

Steve

Stephane · 30th December 2007, 13:02

Quote:

My only concern with revo is that it is a relatively new unit but I must admit that it looks fantastic.

The first units appeared in 2003 and they are still in use.

30th December 2007, 09:33	#1 (permalink)
Icarusflies New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 52	popular re breather in Europe. Hello All; First of all, happy new years to all of you. I just re located to Spain and I am entertaining the idea of buying a re breather. I am concerned about spare parts and availability in Spain. What re breather are popular in Europe besides the inspo/evo? To be in the USA I would buy either an optima or a meg, a kiss is not out of the question but here I am not sure. Thanks; Steve
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30th December 2007, 09:50	#2 (permalink)
Hanssing flap-flop ..... flap-flop Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 330	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Quote: (Originally Posted by Icarusflies) I am concerned about spare parts and availability in Spain. What re breather are popular in Europe besides the inspo/evo? To be in the USA I would buy either an optima or a meg, a kiss is not out of the question but here I am not sure. Hi, You dont write any designcriterias, but there are several Rebreather's beside APDs that are produced in Europe: rEvo - mCCR+eCCR, BMCL, Extremely simple, OffTheSelf parts., "Cheap", lowprofile, sturdy, etc. I can recommend it. Ouroboros - eCCR, BMCL, Big, exspensive, extended range type. Sentinel - eCCR, BMCL, Not small, priced as inspo i think. Not directly available yet. Both APD-Inspo, APD-Evo, Meg, Boris, Sentinel are eCCR where factory-service can mean shipping the unit to the maker/dealer for anual service. And they are generally considered more exspensive then their counterpart mCCRs. Good luck in your quest - take a look in the rEvo forum. Nicolai __________________ Woohooo - I can change my rEvo! Its going to be bitchin' tricked out piece of gear
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30th December 2007, 09:53	#3 (permalink)
Stephane Hey! Ho! Let's go! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 708	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Don't forget Submatix (Germany) and Voyager (Italy). __________________ Stéphane Hammer-rEvo powered!
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30th December 2007, 10:23	#4 (permalink)
Hanssing flap-flop ..... flap-flop Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 330	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Quote: (Originally Posted by Stephane) Don't forget Submatix (Germany) and Voyager (Italy). Its not a real rebreather unless it has its own forum on Rebreather World .... But then I forgot to mention the CisPos Mark VI, wich again is a eCCR for limited diving (No deco strictly) and has not hit the market yet. Nicolai There is offcourse also the SCRs: Submatrix, Dolphin and Ray, but they probaly do not have your interest. __________________ Woohooo - I can change my rEvo! Its going to be bitchin' tricked out piece of gear
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30th December 2007, 10:31	#5 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,287	Re: popular re breather in Europe. He asked for popular, not available. The number one no doubt are the AP units. The Dräger had a good run, and a boost a few years back due to NRC heavily promoting them in Germany, as well as Austria and Switzerland. These days though support for most part seems to come from W+S Watersafety and TecMe rather than Dräger or Aqualung. The Jetsam Classic Kiss has been quite popular, too, Kim Smith told me she's been selling more of them to Europe than in North America. The rEvo as mentioned has developed quite a following very quickly and is worth a close look. There have been quite a few Megs sold to Europe, too, and support seems to be okay. IIRC, it's out of Norway. Everything else seems local and/or limited. pSCRs have been popular with European cavers, and you'll find the odd MK series, Cis-Lunar, PRISM etc in Europe. The Ouroboros has sold reasonably well given the rather steep price tag, so the upcoming Sentinel (March 2008) should do better. Prices are between 4500 and 5400 GBP. Jordi Mateo is a member here, based in Spain, and a good person to contact. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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30th December 2007, 12:02	#6 (permalink)
Sutty Classic Kiss diver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Glossop, Derbyshire, UK Posts: 763	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Can't comment from experience on the others, but absolutely no problem getting spares from Jetsam to the UK, very helpful and quick. Can't imagine to Spain would be much different! __________________ Never forget that life is a finite resource.
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30th December 2007, 12:17	#7 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 579	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Quote: (Originally Posted by Sutty) Can't comment from experience on the others, but absolutely no problem getting spares from Jetsam to the UK, very helpful and quick. Can't imagine to Spain would be much different! I was going to post this! Jetsam's support and customer service is speedy and superb. Whereas AP can be a bit slow at times. Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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30th December 2007, 12:30	#8 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 929	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Quote: (Originally Posted by Janos) Jetsam's support and customer service is speedy and superb. Janos Same for CCrb Technologies, makers of Ouroboros and Sentinel. If you have the possibility try to go to the Boot - Düsseldorf in January. You could find there the answer. Cheers Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th December 2007, 12:58	#9 (permalink)
Icarusflies New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 52	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Thank you for this info, it helps. For what I read, kiss, revo, megs, and maybe ouroboros, even though the last one is too advanced (pricey) for the diving I am planning to do. Service for the revo and kiss has been established to be good. My only concern with revo is that it is a relatively new unit but I must admit that it looks fantastic. Stefan, I know Jordi, he is a fan of the classic kiss but I wanted to have more opinions since he has not dived with revo or megs. I don't know If I am foolishly drawn to the megs but in the USA they have an incredible reputation for sturdy units. Any idea how the service of these units is in Europe? Thanks; Steve
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30th December 2007, 13:02	#10 (permalink)
Stephane Hey! Ho! Let's go! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 708	Re: popular re breather in Europe. Quote: My only concern with revo is that it is a relatively new unit but I must admit that it looks fantastic. The first units appeared in 2003 and they are still in use. __________________ Stéphane Hammer-rEvo powered!
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