Drager Panorama FFM

Pipnaintez · 13th December 2007, 18:02

I have seen a couple posts about this mask. My wife and I currently own Oceanreef Neptune Space FFM for OC. I am curious if anyone has any input on using communications with the Drager. How effective is it with a mouth piece crammed in your mouth. Is it still possible to understand someone using this? Also maybe this is a dumb question but why is the mouth piece needed? I read the article here:

http://www.apeks.co.uk/products/Full...ech%20Spec.pdf

And it states that if used with the dolphin w/o the mouth piece it would blow the mask off your head. Is this the same with all Rebreather combined with this mask?

Also how are the "P" connectors on it constructed. Would I be able to use the GSM DC transceiver unit I use with the Space FFM? It is compatible with any FFM that uses a standard DIN female connection.

Thanks for any advice.

***caveseeker7*** · 13th December 2007, 19:26

First of all, very cool pics you uploaded into our gallery. Thanks.

Haven't used the R version of the Dräger, the OC version has the same kind of nasal cup as used in the AGA, Ocean Reef etc., so using comms isn't a problem. Dräger offers the OTS buddy phone for it, and OTS rigs them with any of their mike and unit combos. If you can use the GSM with any of them you can use it with the Dräger.

You can find the female part of the P-port here:
Dräger Panorama Nova Dive Anschluss | Online Shop | W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH | Seit 1999

The blind plug is here:
Dolphin/Ray/PND Blindstopfen | Online Shop | W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH | Seit 1999

Drawings of DSV and blind plug are here:
Dräger Panorama Nova Dive R Mundstück + Anschluss Zeichnung | Online Shop | W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH | Seit 1999

The P-port is very popular for adding gas or sensor holders to breathing bags, many companies manufacturing all kind of plugs for it. Here on Rebreather World Paul Raymakers (rEvo II CCR), John Routley (NarkedAt90 accesories) and Jakub Rehacek (sp?) (Golem Gear accesories) come to mind.

**kybrt** · 13th December 2007, 19:39

does anyone know if there is an adapter for prescription lenses in the drager ffm?

or is it big enuff for some kind of glasses underneath?

lof · 13th December 2007, 20:55

I am not sure what the GSM DC connector is but OTS makes Buddy Phone for this mask that plugs into one of the side P-Ports
Golem Gear, Inc. - Buddy Phone for FFM
Very compact solution - just a P-port with "push to talk" button and an Earpiece.
Easy to use, just spit out the bitepiece (you want to have it on any CCR with this FFM) and talk, then catch the bitepiece back.

Kybrt, I dive the mask with contacts, but there is enough room there for small "Lennon" glasses, the seal might be good enough that it will not leak even with wire sides going to your ears. Have not tried that though.

Pipnaintez · 14th December 2007, 03:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

First of all, very cool pics you uploaded into our gallery. Thanks.

Thanks, the pics are from when I dove the NASA EVA suit at the Neutral Bouyancy Laboratory in Houston Texas. I was a safety diver for astronauts training for their space walks.

Quote: (Originally Posted by lof)

I am not sure what the GSM DC connector is but OTS makes Buddy Phone for this mask that plugs into one of the side P-Ports
Golem Gear, Inc. - Buddy Phone for FFM
Very compact solution - just a P-port with "push to talk" button and an Earpiece.
Easy to use, just spit out the bitepiece (you want to have it on any CCR with this FFM) and talk, then catch the bitepiece back.

GSM DC is the comm unit that is used in the Ocean Reef Neptune Space FFM. It claims it is usable with any FFM with a standard female DIN connection. From the looks of the drawings posted by Caveseeker7 it doesnt look like it has the threads. I will post a pic in a moment of the comm unit.

Thanks

silent running · 14th December 2007, 04:35

Question: Has anybody using a Panorama had to add more weight after fitting their CCR with an FFM? If so, how much weight was needed to counter the additional volume?

***caveseeker7*** · 14th December 2007, 05:28

Andy, at least on OC I never had to add extra weight with any of the FFMs I tried.

Pip, most likely the connectors for the comms would come from the comm manufacturer. As I mentioned, OTS has a P-plug for their comms, the Buddy Phone as well as the larger units (2010 etc). The Buddy Phone looks like the GSM, but is hardwired. The 2010 has mikes and speakers separately from the electronics, which can be mounted anywhere.

Ocean Reef should know if the GSM can be used with the Dräger.

If you get no reply try Ocean Technology Systems if their mike/button plug will work with your GSM, or if they know of a Dräger/GSM setup.

OTS used to make comms for the Ocean Reef mask, and they do make them for most other FFMs, so I'm quite sure they'll know. John Hott is good person to contact, info on their website.

silent running · 14th December 2007, 06:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Andy, at least on OC I never had to add extra weight with any of the FFMs I tried.

Thanks for the info Stefan. Glad it's not a big enough difference in loop volume to need extra weight. I keep looking for drawbacks to the Panorama, but there really don't seem to be any, other than a little extra staring from the OCs. As the announcer on Ren and Stimpy says, "Tune in for more thrilling headgear!"...

13th December 2007, 18:02	#1 (permalink)
Pipnaintez New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 52	Drager Panorama FFM I have seen a couple posts about this mask. My wife and I currently own Oceanreef Neptune Space FFM for OC. I am curious if anyone has any input on using communications with the Drager. How effective is it with a mouth piece crammed in your mouth. Is it still possible to understand someone using this? Also maybe this is a dumb question but why is the mouth piece needed? I read the article here: http://www.apeks.co.uk/products/Full...ech%20Spec.pdf And it states that if used with the dolphin w/o the mouth piece it would blow the mask off your head. Is this the same with all Rebreather combined with this mask? Also how are the "P" connectors on it constructed. Would I be able to use the GSM DC transceiver unit I use with the Space FFM? It is compatible with any FFM that uses a standard DIN female connection. Thanks for any advice.
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13th December 2007, 19:26	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,318	Re: Drager Panorama FFM First of all, very cool pics you uploaded into our gallery. Thanks. Haven't used the R version of the Dräger, the OC version has the same kind of nasal cup as used in the AGA, Ocean Reef etc., so using comms isn't a problem. Dräger offers the OTS buddy phone for it, and OTS rigs them with any of their mike and unit combos. If you can use the GSM with any of them you can use it with the Dräger. You can find the female part of the P-port here: Dräger Panorama Nova Dive Anschluss \| Online Shop \| W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH \| Seit 1999 The blind plug is here: Dolphin/Ray/PND Blindstopfen \| Online Shop \| W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH \| Seit 1999 Drawings of DSV and blind plug are here: Dräger Panorama Nova Dive R Mundstück + Anschluss Zeichnung \| Online Shop \| W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH \| Seit 1999 The P-port is very popular for adding gas or sensor holders to breathing bags, many companies manufacturing all kind of plugs for it. Here on Rebreather World Paul Raymakers (rEvo II CCR), John Routley (NarkedAt90 accesories) and Jakub Rehacek (sp?) (Golem Gear accesories) come to mind. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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13th December 2007, 19:39	#3 (permalink)
kybrt too legit to quit Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Neuw Yawk Posts: 261	Re: Drager Panorama FFM does anyone know if there is an adapter for prescription lenses in the drager ffm? or is it big enuff for some kind of glasses underneath? __________________ Marv Fidelis Ad Mortem www.diveboatkaren.com
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13th December 2007, 20:55	#4 (permalink)
lof RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR RB80 / Clone Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 453	Re: Drager Panorama FFM I am not sure what the GSM DC connector is but OTS makes Buddy Phone for this mask that plugs into one of the side P-Ports Golem Gear, Inc. - Buddy Phone for FFM Very compact solution - just a P-port with "push to talk" button and an Earpiece. Easy to use, just spit out the bitepiece (you want to have it on any CCR with this FFM) and talk, then catch the bitepiece back. Kybrt, I dive the mask with contacts, but there is enough room there for small "Lennon" glasses, the seal might be good enough that it will not leak even with wire sides going to your ears. Have not tried that though. __________________ Jakub Golem Gear ShopKeeper www.golemgear.com Last edited by lof : 13th December 2007 at 20:58.
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14th December 2007, 03:52	#5 (permalink)
Pipnaintez New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 52	Re: Drager Panorama FFM Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) First of all, very cool pics you uploaded into our gallery. Thanks. Thanks, the pics are from when I dove the NASA EVA suit at the Neutral Bouyancy Laboratory in Houston Texas. I was a safety diver for astronauts training for their space walks. Quote: (Originally Posted by lof) I am not sure what the GSM DC connector is but OTS makes Buddy Phone for this mask that plugs into one of the side P-Ports Golem Gear, Inc. - Buddy Phone for FFM Very compact solution - just a P-port with "push to talk" button and an Earpiece. Easy to use, just spit out the bitepiece (you want to have it on any CCR with this FFM) and talk, then catch the bitepiece back. GSM DC is the comm unit that is used in the Ocean Reef Neptune Space FFM. It claims it is usable with any FFM with a standard female DIN connection. From the looks of the drawings posted by Caveseeker7 it doesnt look like it has the threads. I will post a pic in a moment of the comm unit. Thanks
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14th December 2007, 04:35	#6 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,771	Re: Drager Panorama FFM Question: Has anybody using a Panorama had to add more weight after fitting their CCR with an FFM? If so, how much weight was needed to counter the additional volume?
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14th December 2007, 05:28	#7 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,318	Re: Drager Panorama FFM Andy, at least on OC I never had to add extra weight with any of the FFMs I tried. Pip, most likely the connectors for the comms would come from the comm manufacturer. As I mentioned, OTS has a P-plug for their comms, the Buddy Phone as well as the larger units (2010 etc). The Buddy Phone looks like the GSM, but is hardwired. The 2010 has mikes and speakers separately from the electronics, which can be mounted anywhere. Ocean Reef should know if the GSM can be used with the Dräger. If you get no reply try Ocean Technology Systems if their mike/button plug will work with your GSM, or if they know of a Dräger/GSM setup. OTS used to make comms for the Ocean Reef mask, and they do make them for most other FFMs, so I'm quite sure they'll know. John Hott is good person to contact, info on their website. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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14th December 2007, 06:16	#8 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,771	Re: Drager Panorama FFM Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Andy, at least on OC I never had to add extra weight with any of the FFMs I tried. Thanks for the info Stefan. Glad it's not a big enough difference in loop volume to need extra weight. I keep looking for drawbacks to the Panorama, but there really don't seem to be any, other than a little extra staring from the OCs. As the announcer on Ren and Stimpy says, "Tune in for more thrilling headgear!"...
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