Rebreather database for Rebreather World?

depth · 23rd November 2007, 09:48

Hi Rebreather World

I enjoy being a member of rebreatherworld, a lot of information from people with tons of more experience than me to help answer questions or give their opinions on a given subject, right at my fingertips.

However I am missing a function. Why not make a database with all earlier, current and soon to come factory rebreathers? (But no future vaporware!!!)

The purpose of the database could be:

Help new Rebreather divers compare and choose between the different models
Create an overview of what is current and what is soon to come
General interesting information

Functions:

Ability to compare selected model features.
A search tool with different criterias from the database can help find the right rebreather.
Rating and commenting of the rebreathers by the Rebreather World users. This would be the most complex feature but also the most interesting. A RBW user can rate a rebreather on a scale from 1-5 that he/she has listed as "current" or "other".
The rebreathers should be rated in different categories like: Build quality, adaptability; value for money.... four or five categories should be enough. So when a user look at a rebreather in the database he/she would se something like this e.g.:

Rebreather: Megalodon 2.5
Company: Innerspace systems Corporation
Picture
Overall rating: 4.4 (106 user ratings)
Build quality: 4.6
Adaptability: 4.5
value: 4.1
Comments: 29 read

Database data
When a rebreather is entered in the database, a lot of factory information should be entered. Examples:

Type: SCR, PSCR, eCCR, mCCR
Price range: $8000-$9000
Scrubber type: Axial, Radial
Scrubber duration time: 200 min
Scrubber material weight: 3kg
Hydrophobic Scrubber: yes, no, user choice
CL position: BM, OTS, user choice
Built in decompression: yes, no
BOV included: yes, no, user choice
CL material: Neoprene, Nylon, user choice
Different tank sizes: yes, no
Availability: No more, yes, soon to come ;-)
Weight: 25 kg
HUD: Yes, no, user choice
Buoyancy wing included: yes, no, user choice
Training available through: TDI, IANTD, GUE
More......

The database could also list the distributors instructors in their area (For free off course ;-)

An important benefit of such a database would be that not so good rebreathers will get a bad rating. In theory, less people will buy this particular unit and thereby guiding divers choosing better and safer equipment.
This could also push the rebreather developers to make us even better units.

Maintenance
I am no programmer, but I know that it's not done in a weekend. But as I see it, there will be little maintenance when all the data has been added in the database.

Just my Friday thoughts, I better get back to work now.

By the way Rasmus, did my new suit arrive yet, if I don't get in the water within the next week, I will go crazy for sure ;-)

Have a great weekend and safe diving....

/Christian

**PhilSiswick** · 23rd November 2007, 10:07

Hi,

Jan Willem Bech has been collating information on a very wide and diverse range of rebreathers (both production and home build) on Rebreathers Worldwide for years.

A good starting point and a very interesting read.

I agree that a database like the one you suggest would be very nice to have, but I'm not sure that it would be all that useful, as things change very fast and the considerations when purchasing are very diverse (as many of the threads about 'which rebreather should I buy' indicate).

Cheers,

depth · 23rd November 2007, 12:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

Hi,

Jan Willem Bech has been collating information on a very wide and diverse range of rebreathers (both production and home build) on Rebreathers Worldwide for years.

A good starting point and a very interesting read.

I agree that a database like the one you suggest would be very nice to have, but I'm not sure that it would be all that useful, as things change very fast and the considerations when purchasing are very diverse (as many of the threads about 'which rebreather should I buy' indicate).

Cheers,

Hmm, for a rebreather expert i would agree, then it is hardly interesting, but it might be usefull to someone who does not yet have a deep insight in rebreathers. A database would ease the task of gathering knowledge of the different units for someone needing this. And I espicially think that the rating system would be very very interesting!
A site like "rebreathers worldwide" is non dynamic and it is difficult to create an overview IMHO. A dynamic database is easier to maintain and has no problems coping with changes or new units.

/Christian

OceanOpportunity · 23rd November 2007, 12:38

I think this would be very useful. From an admin point of view, keeping the units specs up to date could be the job of the mfg...so its basically a marketing tool for them. The end-user ratings could be pulled from polls on Rebreather World. I'm no computer guru either, but I see this as beneficial

ScubaAl · 23rd November 2007, 12:40

Kind of like wikipedia for rebreathers!! That would be most helpful. Al

Marvintpa · 23rd November 2007, 13:07

That sounds like a great idea.

depth · 23rd November 2007, 14:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by OceanOpportunity)

From an admin point of view, keeping the units specs up to date could be the job of the mfg...

I do not see maintaining the database would be much work!

Find out what should be registered in the database from the rebreathers
Make a list of all the rebreathers eg:
Megalodon
Copis
Inspiration Classic
Inspiration Vision
Ouroboros
Sentinel
Kiss classsic
Kiss Sport
Make a post on the forum asking the members to help fill in the data on the different units.
The chossen members sends in the lists
The admin put them in the database
The database is launched
Members/manufactures find erros and reports them to admin
The admin corrects the errors
A few times a year, a new unit comes to life. This will have to be entered in the database.

I know that this is just theory

/Christian

depth · 23rd November 2007, 14:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by OceanOpportunity)

The end-user ratings could be pulled from polls on Rebreather World.

Hmm, I would rather ensure new fresh ratings put in by members after s specific criteria. This way, the rating will be more accurat for it's intention.

/Christian

Ben Field · 23rd November 2007, 16:02

Ratings are very difficult to collect, I might like my KISS and therefore I'll give it 5 outta 5 for everything, Megs are Evil (allegdedly) so all I need to do is put one on my list (which is unchecked) and give it 0 for everything...

I'm sure lots of people will be fair and admit that certain parts of their beloved rebreather are cr*p, Hmm- Standard KISS Eleaktronics, gotta be fair and give them 2/5, Simple, clear & redundant but require watchmakers skills to maintain but how do you confirm it? Its Wikipedia all over again, millions of pages of unedited, uncrosschecked (and some blatant CIA propoganda) thats many of the net-nerds now take as fact!

To fairly access a unit it would need to be one you are not interested in owning. (IMVHO)

Buccaneer · 23rd November 2007, 18:14

Why limit this to rebreathers? I would like to see datasheets, reviews, impressions, etc. regarding lots of different rebreather oriented hardware and software.

23rd November 2007, 09:48	#1 (permalink)
depth Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 140	Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Hi Rebreather World I enjoy being a member of rebreatherworld, a lot of information from people with tons of more experience than me to help answer questions or give their opinions on a given subject, right at my fingertips. However I am missing a function. Why not make a database with all earlier, current and soon to come factory rebreathers? (But no future vaporware!!!) The purpose of the database could be: Help new Rebreather divers compare and choose between the different models Create an overview of what is current and what is soon to come General interesting information Functions: Ability to compare selected model features. A search tool with different criterias from the database can help find the right rebreather. Rating and commenting of the rebreathers by the Rebreather World users. This would be the most complex feature but also the most interesting. A RBW user can rate a rebreather on a scale from 1-5 that he/she has listed as "current" or "other". The rebreathers should be rated in different categories like: Build quality, adaptability; value for money.... four or five categories should be enough. So when a user look at a rebreather in the database he/she would se something like this e.g.: Rebreather: Megalodon 2.5 Company: Innerspace systems Corporation Picture Overall rating: 4.4 (106 user ratings) Build quality: 4.6 Adaptability: 4.5 value: 4.1 Comments: 29 read Database data When a rebreather is entered in the database, a lot of factory information should be entered. Examples: Type: SCR, PSCR, eCCR, mCCR Price range: $8000-$9000 Scrubber type: Axial, Radial Scrubber duration time: 200 min Scrubber material weight: 3kg Hydrophobic Scrubber: yes, no, user choice CL position: BM, OTS, user choice Built in decompression: yes, no BOV included: yes, no, user choice CL material: Neoprene, Nylon, user choice Different tank sizes: yes, no Availability: No more, yes, soon to come ;-) Weight: 25 kg HUD: Yes, no, user choice Buoyancy wing included: yes, no, user choice Training available through: TDI, IANTD, GUE More...... The database could also list the distributors instructors in their area (For free off course ;-) An important benefit of such a database would be that not so good rebreathers will get a bad rating. In theory, less people will buy this particular unit and thereby guiding divers choosing better and safer equipment. This could also push the rebreather developers to make us even better units. Maintenance I am no programmer, but I know that it's not done in a weekend. But as I see it, there will be little maintenance when all the data has been added in the database. Just my Friday thoughts, I better get back to work now. By the way Rasmus, did my new suit arrive yet, if I don't get in the water within the next week, I will go crazy for sure ;-) Have a great weekend and safe diving.... /Christian __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not............. Last edited by depth : 23rd November 2007 at 09:52. Reason: ups
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23rd November 2007, 10:07	#2 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 880	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Hi, Jan Willem Bech has been collating information on a very wide and diverse range of rebreathers (both production and home build) on Rebreathers Worldwide for years. A good starting point and a very interesting read. I agree that a database like the one you suggest would be very nice to have, but I'm not sure that it would be all that useful, as things change very fast and the considerations when purchasing are very diverse (as many of the threads about 'which rebreather should I buy' indicate). Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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23rd November 2007, 12:07	#3 (permalink)
depth Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 140	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) Hi, Jan Willem Bech has been collating information on a very wide and diverse range of rebreathers (both production and home build) on Rebreathers Worldwide for years. A good starting point and a very interesting read. I agree that a database like the one you suggest would be very nice to have, but I'm not sure that it would be all that useful, as things change very fast and the considerations when purchasing are very diverse (as many of the threads about 'which rebreather should I buy' indicate). Cheers, Hmm, for a rebreather expert i would agree, then it is hardly interesting, but it might be usefull to someone who does not yet have a deep insight in rebreathers. A database would ease the task of gathering knowledge of the different units for someone needing this. And I espicially think that the rating system would be very very interesting! A site like "rebreathers worldwide" is non dynamic and it is difficult to create an overview IMHO. A dynamic database is easier to maintain and has no problems coping with changes or new units. /Christian __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not.............
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23rd November 2007, 12:38	#4 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 465	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? I think this would be very useful. From an admin point of view, keeping the units specs up to date could be the job of the mfg...so its basically a marketing tool for them. The end-user ratings could be pulled from polls on Rebreather World. I'm no computer guru either, but I see this as beneficial __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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23rd November 2007, 12:40	#5 (permalink)
ScubaAl New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bloomington, Minnesota Posts: 36	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Kind of like wikipedia for rebreathers!! That would be most helpful. Al
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23rd November 2007, 13:07	#6 (permalink)
Marvintpa Bad knees, matching brain Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 224	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? That sounds like a great idea.
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23rd November 2007, 14:11	#7 (permalink)
depth Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 140	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by OceanOpportunity) From an admin point of view, keeping the units specs up to date could be the job of the mfg... I do not see maintaining the database would be much work! Find out what should be registered in the database from the rebreathers Make a list of all the rebreathers eg: Megalodon Copis Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Ouroboros Sentinel Kiss classsic Kiss Sport Make a post on the forum asking the members to help fill in the data on the different units. The chossen members sends in the lists The admin put them in the database The database is launched Members/manufactures find erros and reports them to admin The admin corrects the errors A few times a year, a new unit comes to life. This will have to be entered in the database. I know that this is just theory /Christian __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not.............
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23rd November 2007, 14:17	#8 (permalink)
depth Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 140	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by OceanOpportunity) The end-user ratings could be pulled from polls on Rebreather World. Hmm, I would rather ensure new fresh ratings put in by members after s specific criteria. This way, the rating will be more accurat for it's intention. /Christian __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not.............
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23rd November 2007, 16:02	#9 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,442	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Ratings are very difficult to collect, I might like my KISS and therefore I'll give it 5 outta 5 for everything, Megs are Evil (allegdedly) so all I need to do is put one on my list (which is unchecked) and give it 0 for everything... I'm sure lots of people will be fair and admit that certain parts of their beloved rebreather are crp, Hmm- Standard KISS Eleaktronics, gotta be fair and give them 2/5, Simple, clear & redundant but require watchmakers skills to maintain but how do you confirm it? Its Wikipedia all over again, millions of pages of unedited, uncrosschecked (and some blatant CIA propoganda) thats many of the net-nerds now take as fact! To fairly access a unit it would need to be one you are not interested in owning. (IMVHO) __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck* Last edited by Ben Field : 23rd November 2007 at 16:06. Reason: missed a word out!
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23rd November 2007, 18:14	#10 (permalink)
Buccaneer New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 49	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Why limit this to rebreathers? I would like to see datasheets, reviews, impressions, etc. regarding lots of different rebreather oriented hardware and software.
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