Rebreather database for Rebreather World?

depth · 24th November 2007, 13:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba)

Here is a link to a rebreather chart that Jo_C did awhile back. It needs some updating but has alot of good info in it.

http://http://www.freewebs.com/jocri...ather_word.doc

The link does not work

**Dsix36** · 24th November 2007, 13:27

try it like this:

http://www.freewebs.com/jocribley/Rebreather_word.doc

I had the same problem.

Ben Field · 24th November 2007, 15:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Abbo)

Once a week, somebody writes in to ask for advice on which rebreather to buy. The rebreather community ought to get better and better at answering those questions over time, but it doesn't: it gets worse. Nobody wants to get involved in a banal argument about which is the best rebreather. It's particularly odd that there is not a single article in the library helping people to make this difficult choice. I wish there was one, written by somebody with experience with a number of different units. Anyone?

I think that situation is echoed throughout the diving industry, ask a diver for the best suit, reg, BCD etc and the same arguement as "Which is the best Rebreather" will unfold.

I don't think you can devise an answer to the "best" question but it might be possible to generate a "Which Rebreather is best for me" Wizard, a Db that might help people narrow there ever growing choice?

decoweenie · 24th November 2007, 17:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

...it might be possible to generate a "Which Rebreather is best for me" Wizard, a Db that might help people narrow there ever growing choice?

I did just that last night on the Internet.

I wanted to find the best small digital camera for our next move, found such a "Find My Camera" Wizard and followed it thru. At the end, the recommendations were no where near what I already researched and had in mind.

Such "Wizard" is only helpful when someone has no clue to what they want, then might as well use a dart board. A feature-comparison list accompany by a long list of user's opinions why they pick a certain unit based on their perceived needs might probably help to identify similarities ?

Ben Field · 24th November 2007, 18:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I wanted to find the best small digital camera for our next move, found such a "Find My Camera" Wizard and followed it thru. At the end, the recommendations were no where near what I already researched and had in mind.

agreed, they are almost universally crap but they are almost universally affiliate marketing tools- the "helpful" wizard is actually steering you to the camera its trying to sell.... or it contains so many products (there must be 1000's of digital cameras) that finding 1 single correct suggestion is very hard. The many "compare.com" type sites are very heavily loaded.

So I do agree with Phi but with Rebreather World and Rebreather's we have a couple of advantages- the pool of products is small and we (as a group) could be impartial (if we avoid the ratings IMO

)

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Such "Wizard" is only helpful when someone has no clue to what they want, then might as well use a dart board.

I guess, a wizard is only as good as the questions it asks then you just have to provide fair answers.

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

A feature-comparison list accompany by a long list of user's opinions why they pick a certain unit based on their perceived needs might probably help to identify similarities ?

Yes it would, however visualising the features of 15-20units might be a tough ride for the newbie, if you could offer them 3 to compare it might be easier?

Where are you located?
What is your primary type of diving?
What depth range do you aim to dive?
Do you prefer DIY or factory return Servicing?
Etc etc..

You might answer- Europe, Wreck, 40-60mtrs, DIY etc

Wizard might output- 1. rEvo 2. CK 3. COPIS Meg
(Just an eample, don't shout if you don't agree please?!

)

Was just a suggestion...

decoweenie · 25th November 2007, 03:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

(Just an eample, don't shout if you don't agree please?!

)

Was just a suggestion...

No, don't get me wrong. It is a good suggestion. We are just discussing (without getting too emotional

like some people)

As you said, it depends largely on how much "marketing-driven" of the suggestion algorithm behind the scene. And, at least, there will be some check-and-balance system on Rebreather World if it was too obvious favoring one unit over another (i.e. "MegWorld"... just kidding

)

Abbo · 25th November 2007, 07:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

I think that situation is echoed throughout the diving industry, ask a diver for the best suit, reg, BCD etc and the same arguement as "Which is the best Rebreather" will unfold.

I don't think you can devise an answer to the "best" question but it might be possible to generate a "Which Rebreather is best for me" Wizard, a Db that might help people narrow there ever growing choice?

A database would help you answer many questions, but your first problem is surely knowing what questions to ask! A Rebreather is expensive, so is the training, and if you decide to switch over to a different model the crossover will cost you dearly in time, money and effort. Fortunately that wasn't the case with a reg or BCD! Most problems can be solved by throwing money at them, but not with rebreathers, since cheaper mCCRs have better safety records than eCCRs.

24th November 2007, 13:21	#21 (permalink)
depth Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 160	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by silentscuba) Here is a link to a rebreather chart that Jo_C did awhile back. It needs some updating but has alot of good info in it. http://http://www.freewebs.com/jocri...ather_word.doc The link does not work __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not.............
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24th November 2007, 13:27	#22 (permalink)
Dsix36 Going Down? Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida Posts: 976	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? try it like this: http://www.freewebs.com/jocribley/Rebreather_word.doc I had the same problem. __________________ THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
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24th November 2007, 15:46	#23 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,571	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by Abbo) Once a week, somebody writes in to ask for advice on which rebreather to buy. The rebreather community ought to get better and better at answering those questions over time, but it doesn't: it gets worse. Nobody wants to get involved in a banal argument about which is the best rebreather. It's particularly odd that there is not a single article in the library helping people to make this difficult choice. I wish there was one, written by somebody with experience with a number of different units. Anyone? I think that situation is echoed throughout the diving industry, ask a diver for the best suit, reg, BCD etc and the same arguement as "Which is the best Rebreather" will unfold. I don't think you can devise an answer to the "best" question but it might be possible to generate a "Which Rebreather is best for me" Wizard, a Db that might help people narrow there ever growing choice? __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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24th November 2007, 17:24	#24 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) ...it might be possible to generate a "Which Rebreather is best for me" Wizard, a Db that might help people narrow there ever growing choice? I did just that last night on the Internet. I wanted to find the best small digital camera for our next move, found such a "Find My Camera" Wizard and followed it thru. At the end, the recommendations were no where near what I already researched and had in mind. Such "Wizard" is only helpful when someone has no clue to what they want, then might as well use a dart board. A feature-comparison list accompany by a long list of user's opinions why they pick a certain unit based on their perceived needs might probably help to identify similarities ?
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24th November 2007, 18:30	#25 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,571	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I wanted to find the best small digital camera for our next move, found such a "Find My Camera" Wizard and followed it thru. At the end, the recommendations were no where near what I already researched and had in mind. agreed, they are almost universally crap but they are almost universally affiliate marketing tools- the "helpful" wizard is actually steering you to the camera its trying to sell.... or it contains so many products (there must be 1000's of digital cameras) that finding 1 single correct suggestion is very hard. The many "compare.com" type sites are very heavily loaded. So I do agree with Phi but with Rebreather World and Rebreather's we have a couple of advantages- the pool of products is small and we (as a group) could be impartial (if we avoid the ratings IMO ) Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Such "Wizard" is only helpful when someone has no clue to what they want, then might as well use a dart board. I guess, a wizard is only as good as the questions it asks then you just have to provide fair answers. Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) A feature-comparison list accompany by a long list of user's opinions why they pick a certain unit based on their perceived needs might probably help to identify similarities ? Yes it would, however visualising the features of 15-20units might be a tough ride for the newbie, if you could offer them 3 to compare it might be easier? Where are you located? What is your primary type of diving? What depth range do you aim to dive? Do you prefer DIY or factory return Servicing? Etc etc.. You might answer- Europe, Wreck, 40-60mtrs, DIY etc Wizard might output- 1. rEvo 2. CK 3. COPIS Meg (Just an eample, don't shout if you don't agree please?! ) Was just a suggestion... __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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25th November 2007, 03:57	#26 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) (Just an eample, don't shout if you don't agree please?! ) Was just a suggestion... No, don't get me wrong. It is a good suggestion. We are just discussing (without getting too emotional like some people) As you said, it depends largely on how much "marketing-driven" of the suggestion algorithm behind the scene. And, at least, there will be some check-and-balance system on Rebreather World if it was too obvious favoring one unit over another (i.e. "MegWorld"... just kidding )
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25th November 2007, 07:47	#27 (permalink)
Abbo Going down on Meg Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokyo Posts: 427	Re: Rebreather database for Rebreather World? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) I think that situation is echoed throughout the diving industry, ask a diver for the best suit, reg, BCD etc and the same arguement as "Which is the best Rebreather" will unfold. I don't think you can devise an answer to the "best" question but it might be possible to generate a "Which Rebreather is best for me" Wizard, a Db that might help people narrow there ever growing choice? A database would help you answer many questions, but your first problem is surely knowing what questions to ask! A Rebreather is expensive, so is the training, and if you decide to switch over to a different model the crossover will cost you dearly in time, money and effort. Fortunately that wasn't the case with a reg or BCD! Most problems can be solved by throwing money at them, but not with rebreathers, since cheaper mCCRs have better safety records than eCCRs.
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