Smoking And Ccr Diving

Mephisto26 · 16th September 2007, 15:46

Hey All,

I would love to get some information on smoking jut before a CCR dive other than "it's not good"...

maybe higher risk of hypercapnia (kapnos = "smoke" hahah), dcs...

In as much detail as possible...

And while u are at it, are there any people that have special diets...what u do and why???

Thanks for ur input...

Greets,
Patrick

RonMicjan · 16th September 2007, 20:48

are you kidding???

tobacco smoke contains carbon monoxide, which is an oxygen inhibitor for your red blood cells. your red cells are like a passenger train, carrying oxygen to your bodys cells, what CO does is get on the train and like a bunch of bully gang members, they prevent the oxygen cells from boarding the train, and it takes up to 12 hours for that to change.

If you are going to be a serious diver, quit smoking. There may come a day when you need every bit of o2 your body can provide, not to mention smoking ruins your bodys natural impulse to breath, based on Co2 levels, not lack of oxygen. think of what your loop must smell like if you dive after smoking....yuk.

on the good side, I heard that over a millon people quit smoking last year.... they died.

cramerdn · 16th September 2007, 21:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

are you kidding???

What else is there to say?

Mephisto26 · 16th September 2007, 21:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

are you kidding???

tobacco smoke contains carbon monoxide, which is an oxygen inhibitor for your red blood cells. your red cells are like a passenger train, carrying oxygen to your bodys cells, what CO does is get on the train and like a bunch of bully gang members, they prevent the oxygen cells from boarding the train, and it takes up to 12 hours for that to change.

If you are going to be a serious diver, quit smoking. There may come a day when you need every bit of o2 your body can provide, not to mention smoking ruins your bodys natural impulse to breath, based on Co2 levels, not lack of oxygen. think of what your loop must smell like if you dive after smoking....yuk.

on the good side, I heard that over a millon people quit smoking last year.... they died.

HEY MAN...TAKE IT EASY...

First of all, I'm a non smoker
Second I'm very well aware of the facts that u stated (but I admit I love the little train story...)
Third, well diving is my job...so I guess I'm pretty serious about it...

But enough, what I'm after are more detailed informations about blood chemistry change and quantities of CO/CO2 and so on...

But thanks for ur conribution anyway...cool to see people getting really passionate about things...

Patrick

Mephisto26 · 16th September 2007, 21:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn)

What else is there to say?

Well I don't think that "are u kidding" is a good argument when u try to convince somebody to change an habbit and for sure not an addiction...

I would prefer to go with hard facts...

But then if u havent been addicted to smth in ur life maybe is hard to understand...

Thanks for your contribution though...

Patrick

cramerdn · 16th September 2007, 21:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mephisto26)

Well I don't think that "are u kidding" is a good argument when u try to convince somebody to change an habbit and for sure not an addiction...

I would prefer to go with hard facts...

But then if u havent been addicted to smth in ur life maybe is hard to understand...

Thanks for your contribution though...

Patrick

I figured if he is asking then he is not planning on quitting. If it was question about gear or a technique then logic, facts, and disscussion has merit. With an addict advice is mostly ignored or used in their own rationalizations.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig."

David Pye · 16th September 2007, 22:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn)

I figured if he is asking then he is not planning on quitting. If it was question about gear or a technique then logic, facts, and disscussion has merit. With an addict advice is mostly ignored or used in their own rationalizations.

That isn't really true. For example, there have been plenty of papers written on the impact health professionals can have with gentle 'quit smoking' advice and information provision, and suggests that it DOES have a positive impact. Check out Rollnick's 'Cycle of Change' model if you're curious about it.

David

heyydude · 16th September 2007, 23:44

All self-righteousness aside, and coming from a 2 pack a day smoker who quit 8 years ago - I have to say that the absolute BEST cigarette (better than the after-you-know-what, better than the first one of the day, etc) was the smoke I'd have at the Stern of the boat after a deep Heliox dive, staring at the setting sun, thinking about what I had seen/done that day.

Ahhh... To be that young and foolish again...

And you know, Cousteau used to smoke them nasty French cigarettes, and he was known to do all right in the water, and lived to be about 150 or so...

I'll tell you one thing - in the places where we traveled (often where westerners hadn't been seen in 10-20 years) trading a "Benson & Hedges Menthol Light" with one of the tribal Elders or Chiefs would go a loooong way toward smoothing relations, and would nearly always make for a memorable experience.

I'll have to write a book one day...

Kevin.

16th September 2007, 15:46	#1 (permalink)
Mephisto26 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen Q.Roo Mexico Posts: 79	Smoking And Ccr Diving Hey All, I would love to get some information on smoking jut before a CCR dive other than "it's not good"... maybe higher risk of hypercapnia (kapnos = "smoke" hahah), dcs... In as much detail as possible... And while u are at it, are there any people that have special diets...what u do and why??? Thanks for ur input... Greets, Patrick
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16th September 2007, 20:48	#2 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,082	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving are you kidding??? tobacco smoke contains carbon monoxide, which is an oxygen inhibitor for your red blood cells. your red cells are like a passenger train, carrying oxygen to your bodys cells, what CO does is get on the train and like a bunch of bully gang members, they prevent the oxygen cells from boarding the train, and it takes up to 12 hours for that to change. If you are going to be a serious diver, quit smoking. There may come a day when you need every bit of o2 your body can provide, not to mention smoking ruins your bodys natural impulse to breath, based on Co2 levels, not lack of oxygen. think of what your loop must smell like if you dive after smoking....yuk. on the good side, I heard that over a millon people quit smoking last year.... they died. __________________ Ron "Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you different, is selling something", The Dread Pirate Wesley. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc.
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16th September 2007, 21:06	#3 (permalink)
cramerdn Living The Dream, Baby!! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 449	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) are you kidding??? What else is there to say? __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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16th September 2007, 21:11	#4 (permalink)
Mephisto26 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen Q.Roo Mexico Posts: 79	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) are you kidding??? tobacco smoke contains carbon monoxide, which is an oxygen inhibitor for your red blood cells. your red cells are like a passenger train, carrying oxygen to your bodys cells, what CO does is get on the train and like a bunch of bully gang members, they prevent the oxygen cells from boarding the train, and it takes up to 12 hours for that to change. If you are going to be a serious diver, quit smoking. There may come a day when you need every bit of o2 your body can provide, not to mention smoking ruins your bodys natural impulse to breath, based on Co2 levels, not lack of oxygen. think of what your loop must smell like if you dive after smoking....yuk. on the good side, I heard that over a millon people quit smoking last year.... they died. HEY MAN...TAKE IT EASY... First of all, I'm a non smoker Second I'm very well aware of the facts that u stated (but I admit I love the little train story...) Third, well diving is my job...so I guess I'm pretty serious about it... But enough, what I'm after are more detailed informations about blood chemistry change and quantities of CO/CO2 and so on... But thanks for ur conribution anyway...cool to see people getting really passionate about things... Patrick
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16th September 2007, 21:13	#5 (permalink)
Mephisto26 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen Q.Roo Mexico Posts: 79	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn) What else is there to say? Well I don't think that "are u kidding" is a good argument when u try to convince somebody to change an habbit and for sure not an addiction... I would prefer to go with hard facts... But then if u havent been addicted to smth in ur life maybe is hard to understand... Thanks for your contribution though... Patrick
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16th September 2007, 21:36	#6 (permalink)
cramerdn Living The Dream, Baby!! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 449	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Mephisto26) Well I don't think that "are u kidding" is a good argument when u try to convince somebody to change an habbit and for sure not an addiction... I would prefer to go with hard facts... But then if u havent been addicted to smth in ur life maybe is hard to understand... Thanks for your contribution though... Patrick I figured if he is asking then he is not planning on quitting. If it was question about gear or a technique then logic, facts, and disscussion has merit. With an addict advice is mostly ignored or used in their own rationalizations. "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig." __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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16th September 2007, 22:56	#7 (permalink)
David Pye CK 69+Shearwater Pursuit Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 146	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn) I figured if he is asking then he is not planning on quitting. If it was question about gear or a technique then logic, facts, and disscussion has merit. With an addict advice is mostly ignored or used in their own rationalizations. That isn't really true. For example, there have been plenty of papers written on the impact health professionals can have with gentle 'quit smoking' advice and information provision, and suggests that it DOES have a positive impact. Check out Rollnick's 'Cycle of Change' model if you're curious about it. David
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16th September 2007, 23:44	#8 (permalink)
heyydude King of the Geeks Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Optima Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Addison, Pennsylvania Posts: 323	Re: Smoking And Ccr Diving All self-righteousness aside, and coming from a 2 pack a day smoker who quit 8 years ago - I have to say that the absolute BEST cigarette (better than the after-you-know-what, better than the first one of the day, etc) was the smoke I'd have at the Stern of the boat after a deep Heliox dive, staring at the setting sun, thinking about what I had seen/done that day. Ahhh... To be that young and foolish again... And you know, Cousteau used to smoke them nasty French cigarettes, and he was known to do all right in the water, and lived to be about 150 or so... I'll tell you one thing - in the places where we traveled (often where westerners hadn't been seen in 10-20 years) trading a "Benson & Hedges Menthol Light" with one of the tribal Elders or Chiefs would go a loooong way toward smoothing relations, and would nearly always make for a memorable experience. I'll have to write a book one day... Kevin.
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