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Old 12th September 2007, 13:48   #71 (permalink)
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Re: Are all CCR manufacturers F#####

Mike, you wanted to borrow a cow?
I'll PM my ex mum-in-laws Ph number to you...

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Old 12th September 2007, 14:02   #72 (permalink)
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Re: Are all CCR manufacturers F#####

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I do think some manufacturers would do themselves, the industry and us a service if they were more realistic in their marketing.

Cheers,

I can see it now....

Hey we have this great tool for underwater exploration that will replace your out of date, old fashioned Open Circuit gear....

OK Tell me about it....

Well, first of all, it costs a small fortune to get fully involved with gear and training.

OK....

Oh and the chances of severe injury or death are much more significant than what your using now....

MMMM.....

You'll need a lot more time to maintain and clean it than your Open Circuit stuff.

Un Huh...

While it's lighter than your current gear, you'll need to carry lots of extra tanks with you in case something goes wrong.

Something to think about....

Before I forget....There's this thing with Carbon Dioxide... In some cases it can kind of creep up on you and make you unconscious before you realize it's getting you.

Interesting....

If you flood the loop you can get some really nasty stuff in your mouth & throat, but in time, the burning goes away.

What does "Flood the loop" mean?

Oh don't worry about it.....You'll learn that in the course.

Huh?


After we sell you the unit, there will be continued improvements and upgrades to the equipment & electronics....

Free?

Of course not..... Remember my first point about spending a small fortune?

Oh yeah, I remember...

One more thing.... After you buy the unit, everyone else who has a different one will tell you why their's is way better.

Well, maybe I'll stick with Open Circuit...

Did I neglect to mention that if you think drinking the right Beer, the right Cola, and wearing the right brand of Jeans will get you the hottest Babes, wait until you tell them you dive an Ajax Rebreather!

OK Cool, where can I get mine!

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Old 12th September 2007, 15:42   #73 (permalink)
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Re: Are all CCR manufacturers F#####

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I can see it now....

Hey we have this great tool for underwater exploration that will replace your out of date, old fashioned Open Circuit gear....

OK Tell me about it....


<snip>

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Did I neglect to mention that if you think drinking the right Beer, the right Cola, and wearing the right brand of Jeans will get you the hottest Babes, wait until you tell them you dive an Ajax Rebreather!

OK Cool, where can I get mine!

Richie
LOL = wonderful and awfully close to the truth. That deserves green

Having said that, we all fell for that marketing line, didn't we

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Old 12th September 2007, 15:58   #74 (permalink)
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Re: Are all CCR manufacturers F#####

How much for the Ajax??? Do you need any cannon fodder...beta testers...eh customers.

I think all this makes a very strong case for manual CCRs--there are not built in expectations of "intelligents" that can go wrong. Where is the "open source" from reading some of Alex's material, this has the potential to fix a lot of these problems.
I think a functional CO2 detector is probably a prerequisite for a rebreather for the unwashed masses--ie something that can replace OC for an involved rec diver.
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Old 12th September 2007, 18:27   #75 (permalink)
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Re: Are all CCR manufacturers F#####

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverreb) View Original Post
I can see it now....

Hey we have this great tool for underwater exploration that will replace your out of date, old fashioned Open Circuit gear....

OK Tell me about it....

Well, first of all, it costs a small fortune to get fully involved with gear and training.

OK....

Oh and the chances of severe injury or death are much more significant than what your using now....

MMMM.....

You'll need a lot more time to maintain and clean it than your Open Circuit stuff.

Un Huh...

While it's lighter than your current gear, you'll need to carry lots of extra tanks with you in case something goes wrong.

Something to think about....

Before I forget....There's this thing with Carbon Dioxide... In some cases it can kind of creep up on you and make you unconscious before you realize it's getting you.

Interesting....

If you flood the loop you can get some really nasty stuff in your mouth & throat, but in time, the burning goes away.

What does "Flood the loop" mean?

Oh don't worry about it.....You'll learn that in the course.

Huh?

After we sell you the unit, there will be continued improvements and upgrades to the equipment & electronics....

Free?

Of course not..... Remember my first point about spending a small fortune?

Oh yeah, I remember...

One more thing.... After you buy the unit, everyone else who has a different one will tell you why their's is way better.

Well, maybe I'll stick with Open Circuit...

Did I neglect to mention that if you think drinking the right Beer, the right Cola, and wearing the right brand of Jeans will get you the hottest Babes, wait until you tell them you dive an Ajax Rebreather!

OK Cool, where can I get mine!

Richie

What a great piece of work! I am all smiles (as should be everyone else on the forum) because I can remember conversations like this.
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Old 13th September 2007, 13:57   #76 (permalink)
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Over the previous 4 mos that year I was heavily involved with a Swiss company about to buy the complete set up for a new mass production rebreather. This thing was modular, mostly all injection molded. Could switch from OC to SCR to CCR with the turn of a dial. All the lab testing had been done etc. It rocked. The cost to buy the plans, test data, electronics, designs, patents etc was about $600k USD. The cost to set up and do all the molds, fabrication plant, packaging, training, advertising, marketing, customer support etc was a cool $6million. This thing would come out of the box to the consumer at $2500 USD complete. It would have changed how we do rebreathers for the masses. The deal was in place. The investors ready to wire the money. I had 4 months tied up in this (really many years) and along came a cupla guys who needed to kill a whole lot of people and change how we do things here forever. It would have taken us a year to get it to market (2003ish) and we would have had the first mass production fully supported rebreather on a world wide basis. However, after the dust settled and the telephones in NY were working again and Wall Street was back up and running and the missing friends were found we tried to finish the deal but all the venture capitalists had shut down. That deal was now over and never gonna happen. The money risk was too great at that time.
Sorry, but I seem to miss something.

$6.000.000,00 investment, making Rebreather's that sell for $2500,00.
Isn't that line 2400 breathers to make that money back?
And labour and materials and premisses and power yada yada, so say let's triple that number....

Where do you expect to sell 7200 breathers any time?

Not heckling, just wondering when the average manufactorer goes for a few 100.....

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Old 13th September 2007, 14:02   #77 (permalink)
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Not heckling...
Sure you are not...

Come on, don't allow logic to spoil a good "I had a dream" story...
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