15.5 or Borris???????????

Micko · 18th August 2007, 11:57

AS one dose we all think what would best suit our diving.
I have a ? for the Borris users and the 15.5 users.
Witch unit and why?

As i know of very few users of these i would like to see the feed back.

I might want a new toyyyyy....

***Decodiver*** · 18th August 2007, 12:10

Well I have a Boris for sale and the two people to really seek a viewpoint from would be Jerome Meynie & Mike Gadd.

DrJM and DrMike on here.

Both went from a 15.5 to an Ouroboros.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Belgium137 · 18th August 2007, 12:21

Hiya,

I had the same dillema a year and a half ago and I bought Jerome's MK15.5.
Its a great unit to dive, has a great WOB, long scrubber duration, has proven itself at depth, etc...
The only i would really fancy on a 15.5 is the electronics package like you get on Boris. I really would love a HUD (like the one on Boris!?!) and switchable setpoint so thats why ill be upgrading to the new HH soon:-))...

Best
Erik

Micko · 18th August 2007, 12:25

yes the electronis on the 15.5 is shearwater doing anything?

I have also heard of Prism electronics on a 15.5

divetheworld · 18th August 2007, 16:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Micko)

yes the electronis on the 15.5 is shearwater doing anything?

I have also heard of Prism electronics on a 15.5

We can do that, if you wanted. We can retrofit almost any rebreather that has not already been done with the Shearwater electronics suite.
At the end of next week we will show you one of our new conversion products. Not MK.. based but....

Brent & John
Home

DrJM · 18th August 2007, 16:16

3 years on a Colkan new 15.5
2 years and 1/2 on a Boris

No doubt Boris

Main points why ?

If I flood it through the mouthpiece I can recover it, Not on 15.5
Changeable SP through the dive, Not on 15.5
I can do the dive and deco just with the HUD, Not on 15.5
Quadruple redundancy of reading ppo2, just double on 15.5
Boris will keep me more alive with his Alarms messages than a 15.5
I can mechanically isolate Dil or O2 if ADV or solenoid kaput and still add manually gas w/out having to open/close the tanks for 4h deco ! not on 15.5

etc etc ...

Mk15.5 was a Brillant unit in the 80s or 90s but come on let's grow up we are into the 21st century and some technology will save you when shit happen, it will be foolish to ignore them or maybe you like driving vintage cars

Jerome

**Dave Sutton** · 18th August 2007, 18:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by DrJM)

Changeable SP through the dive, Not on 15.5
I can do the dive and deco just with the HUD, Not on 15.5
Quadruple redundancy of reading ppo2, just double on 15.5
Boris will keep me more alive with his Alarms messages than a 15.5
I can mechanically isolate Dil or O2 if ADV or solenoid kaput and still add manually gas w/out having to open/close the tanks for 4h deco ! not on 15.5

Yet all of these features can be retrofitted to a Mark-15 in one way or another... either by an electronics package change or some faitrly simple pneumatics mods.

Mark-15 is far more field maintainable, and in the long run, my bet is that they will still be in service long after the 'Boris is a curiousity.
Think of the divers who "upgraded" to a CIS... and now the CIS is passe', but the Mark-15 is still an icon. There's a reason for that.

Dave

***Decodiver*** · 18th August 2007, 22:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Mark-15 is far more field maintainable, and in the long run, my bet is that they will still be in service long after the 'Boris is a curiousity.
Think of the divers who "upgraded" to a CIS... and now the CIS is passe', but the Mark-15 is still an icon. There's a reason for that.

Dave

You have got to stop taking drugs man.

The Ouroboros is a real, supported, evolving CCR.

I doubt your curiosity statement wholeheartedly, you underestimate Kev Gurr.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

**Dave Sutton** · 18th August 2007, 22:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

You have got to stop taking drugs man.

The Ouroboros is a real, supported, evolving CCR.

I doubt your curiosity statement wholeheartedly, you underestimate Kev Gurr.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

I have a lot of respect for Kevin, he's a top-line player, for sure. For an off the shelf expedition rig I'd buy one *in a heartbeat*.
If I were being given a rig, it would be my #1 choice *bar none*. It's absolutely top quality kit.

In the long run though, I can support a Mark-15 from any Swagelok dealer. I cannot do that with a 'Boris, thus my "field supportability" statement.
I would need Kevin to support a 'Boris. I just need a McMaster-Carr catalog to support a Mark-15.

Time will tell what's still being used as a "classic" 50 years from now. My bet is still on the Mark-15. Until then? Who knows. For now I'd be tickled with either.

And, since I piss in a cup every few weeks, my only drugs are coffee and coffee and coffee.......

.
Dunno what's so bad about high blood pressure, I would think that *low* blood pressure would be the problem...

Best,

Dave

.

Micko · 19th August 2007, 00:41

Thanks guys i see valid points from both sides i do like the simplicity of the 15.5 tho.
Its a decession i really need to mull over.
After all they are both good units.
And there is the issue of speres i mean how long will and can stay in circulation.
Training on the 15.5 can be done here in Oz..
Borris ? not sure
At this stage im 50/50 not sure keep the feedback comming its much apprietiated.

18th August 2007, 11:57	#1 (permalink)
Micko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: perth Posts: 114	15.5 or Borris??????????? AS one dose we all think what would best suit our diving. I have a ? for the Borris users and the 15.5 users. Witch unit and why? As i know of very few users of these i would like to see the feed back. I might want a new toyyyyy....
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 12:10	#2 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,168	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Well I have a Boris for sale and the two people to really seek a viewpoint from would be Jerome Meynie & Mike Gadd. DrJM and DrMike on here. Both went from a 15.5 to an Ouroboros. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 19th August 2007 at 13:44.
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 12:21	#3 (permalink)
Belgium137 New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Antwerp Posts: 21	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Hiya, I had the same dillema a year and a half ago and I bought Jerome's MK15.5. Its a great unit to dive, has a great WOB, long scrubber duration, has proven itself at depth, etc... The only i would really fancy on a 15.5 is the electronics package like you get on Boris. I really would love a HUD (like the one on Boris!?!) and switchable setpoint so thats why ill be upgrading to the new HH soon:-))... Best Erik
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 12:25	#4 (permalink)
Micko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: perth Posts: 114	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? yes the electronis on the 15.5 is shearwater doing anything? I have also heard of Prism electronics on a 15.5
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 16:05	#5 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,535	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Quote: (Originally Posted by Micko) yes the electronis on the 15.5 is shearwater doing anything? I have also heard of Prism electronics on a 15.5 We can do that, if you wanted. We can retrofit almost any rebreather that has not already been done with the Shearwater electronics suite. At the end of next week we will show you one of our new conversion products. Not MK.. based but.... Brent & John Home __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 16:16	#6 (permalink)
DrJM Deep Cave Explorer Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Join Date: May 2005 Location: France Posts: 336	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? 3 years on a Colkan new 15.5 2 years and 1/2 on a Boris No doubt Boris Main points why ? If I flood it through the mouthpiece I can recover it, Not on 15.5 Changeable SP through the dive, Not on 15.5 I can do the dive and deco just with the HUD, Not on 15.5 Quadruple redundancy of reading ppo2, just double on 15.5 Boris will keep me more alive with his Alarms messages than a 15.5 I can mechanically isolate Dil or O2 if ADV or solenoid kaput and still add manually gas w/out having to open/close the tanks for 4h deco ! not on 15.5 etc etc ... Mk15.5 was a Brillant unit in the 80s or 90s but come on let's grow up we are into the 21st century and some technology will save you when shit happen, it will be foolish to ignore them or maybe you like driving vintage cars Jerome __________________ www.snoopyloop.com Deep Cave Exploration
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 18:54	#7 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,511	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Quote: (Originally Posted by DrJM) Changeable SP through the dive, Not on 15.5 I can do the dive and deco just with the HUD, Not on 15.5 Quadruple redundancy of reading ppo2, just double on 15.5 Boris will keep me more alive with his Alarms messages than a 15.5 I can mechanically isolate Dil or O2 if ADV or solenoid kaput and still add manually gas w/out having to open/close the tanks for 4h deco ! not on 15.5 Yet all of these features can be retrofitted to a Mark-15 in one way or another... either by an electronics package change or some faitrly simple pneumatics mods. Mark-15 is far more field maintainable, and in the long run, my bet is that they will still be in service long after the 'Boris is a curiousity. Think of the divers who "upgraded" to a CIS... and now the CIS is passe', but the Mark-15 is still an icon. There's a reason for that. Dave __________________ . "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Professional Small Boy: Never Successfully Cubicled. Last edited by Dave Sutton : 18th August 2007 at 18:56.
(Online)

18th August 2007, 22:02	#8 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,168	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Mark-15 is far more field maintainable, and in the long run, my bet is that they will still be in service long after the 'Boris is a curiousity. Think of the divers who "upgraded" to a CIS... and now the CIS is passe', but the Mark-15 is still an icon. There's a reason for that. Dave You have got to stop taking drugs man. The Ouroboros is a real, supported, evolving CCR. I doubt your curiosity statement wholeheartedly, you underestimate Kev Gurr. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 18th August 2007 at 22:09.
(Offline)

18th August 2007, 22:34	#9 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,511	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) You have got to stop taking drugs man. The Ouroboros is a real, supported, evolving CCR. I doubt your curiosity statement wholeheartedly, you underestimate Kev Gurr. Cheers, Dave Cooper. I have a lot of respect for Kevin, he's a top-line player, for sure. For an off the shelf expedition rig I'd buy one in a heartbeat. If I were being given a rig, it would be my #1 choice bar none. It's absolutely top quality kit. In the long run though, I can support a Mark-15 from any Swagelok dealer. I cannot do that with a 'Boris, thus my "field supportability" statement. I would need Kevin to support a 'Boris. I just need a McMaster-Carr catalog to support a Mark-15. Time will tell what's still being used as a "classic" 50 years from now. My bet is still on the Mark-15. Until then? Who knows. For now I'd be tickled with either. And, since I piss in a cup every few weeks, my only drugs are coffee and coffee and coffee....... . Dunno what's so bad about high blood pressure, I would think that low blood pressure would be the problem... Best, Dave . __________________ . "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Professional Small Boy: Never Successfully Cubicled. Last edited by Dave Sutton : 18th August 2007 at 22:42.
(Online)

19th August 2007, 00:41	#10 (permalink)
Micko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: perth Posts: 114	Re: 15.5 or Borris??????????? Thanks guys i see valid points from both sides i do like the simplicity of the 15.5 tho. Its a decession i really need to mull over. After all they are both good units. And there is the issue of speres i mean how long will and can stay in circulation. Training on the 15.5 can be done here in Oz.. Borris ? not sure At this stage im 50/50 not sure keep the feedback comming its much apprietiated.
(Offline)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode