How do you sling your tanks and why?

richie · 7th August 2007, 08:56

well i swapped to having both 7ltr stages on the left this year and i also have an 80 yet to try. i love both stages on left as it leves the right hand side for reels lift bags torch canister ect. i find both stages on the left are so easy to work with.
and i do take the scooter when i can so would clip it of on the right when not in use

DonalWalsh · 7th August 2007, 10:21

I'm with Ritchie there. Lately I've been diving with a max of 2 7l al on my left and found no trim issues at all and like the access it gives me to reels on my right. I've been reluctant to try it with bigger dives/more bailout yet but no doubt will have a go. Its all good. Haven't tried a dildo yet though....

Mark Chase · 7th August 2007, 10:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Who told you this, Mark ?

Added: I see your answer added to your post. Must say that I don't quite see the effect of the scooter torque affecting the diver to the effect mentioned, but...

I have no idea what else has been dreamed up as I don't follow the DIR evolution...

Dont ask me i have had a few goes on a Gavin but thats about it.

Obviously for the GUE boys there is the long hose under the canister torch.

I started out diving stages left when i first got into accelorated deco diveing. Mainly because my mentor was hevily GUE bias. A chap at the dive club said one day I'd screw up and breath the wrong gas diving like that. A month or so later one of the club members 02 toxed after switching to the wrong gas running stages left. He bit his own toung off but survived the incident. I switched to left right after that.

I think the stages left idea works if you strictly folow the GUE procedures for tank identification within a teem environmnet. Seeing as i often dive solo or with "just met them" type buddies, i dont feel its a safe system for me.

Now with the run times open to me on a CCR I am finding even an Ali80 and steel 10 struggle to give me adiquate bailout gas even running over max presure in the tanks. Rather than go to a third tank I am maxing out the options on the ones i have. With the tanks blown that high I cant dive them all left as it would tip me over. As a result unless i run three ali 80s on one side

I cant see how i can run all thanks left even if i wanted too.

ATB

Mark Chase

Lancer4545 · 7th August 2007, 10:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by DonalWalsh)

Its all good. Haven't tried a dildo yet though....

My God Man.........What kinda diving you talking about!!!!

rogeringebo · 7th August 2007, 10:38

One of the reasons I was given by the "Florida cave clan" is that once upon a time the battery cannister was as big as a 7l tank and there were no room for tanks on that side. When cannisters shrank the system was already in place and there is where we are today...
Not sure it is accurate but its a reasonable story.

Roger

jhaaja · 7th August 2007, 10:41

I would say that two AL80 can be hung on one side, after that I would like to find anopther solution. Specially if it is a dive that you have to swim too.

Team bail-out is nice, that way you really seldom need to carry more than two anyway. I usually have one AL80 with bottom bailout on the left side as sidemount. If I need to carry decogas it could be 3L O2 for example.

Mostly I dive in caves so usually it is only the bottom bailout that hangs along all the time.

I also like the feeling that there is nothing on the right hand side. In caves you allways have to think about restrictions, lines etc. Those situations are easier to handle when you have less cluttered right hand side.

JH

Ben Field · 7th August 2007, 10:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

How much does your "width" increased with side-mount stages ?

I suppose the gross increase is by "one stage tanks width" if you are going from 2 on one side to armadillo, as I used to dive one per side I think the effect has been marginal. As they are now "inline" with me rather than kicked out at the bottom of the tank I may even be narrower.

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I understand that the stages are not "below" you, or could be pushed below you when going thru a tight door on a wreck.
How has this affect you when penetrating narrow holes ?

Hmm, I haven't faced this issue yet, strangly most wrecks I seem to dive have low but wide holes!
I suspect it may restrict access to narrow holes then as the tanks (in my setup) can't be pushed below me much, the attachment to the buttpad is pretty short, its part of what helps them "roll up" your side when the bungie is looped over the valve tap. (Although the whole setup I use is equal to shoulder width as I am doing dives that only require a smaller amount of bailout and I carry it split over two smaller tanks for comfort)

One benefit I left out earlier that I just remembered is I can use my arms more! Without the old school stages I can bring my elbows closer together, which means I can use my camera in a more comfortable position, I think my more recent footage support this as its less prone to unwanted movement and has smoother panning motion.

Chris · 7th August 2007, 10:48

I think Dr Mike said it best when planning bailout for a 127m dive of Empress.

Is always good to plan these things so you know where the gas is.

And the result of all this planning

Of course you can always do it the Muppet way

Cheers
Chriso

decoweenie · 7th August 2007, 10:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

...i dont feel its a safe system for me...

If you don't have the discipline to identify u/w the tank you are about to breath and want to rely strictly that you have placed the correct tank in the correct side at the beginnig of the dive, then it is not the system for you.

Quote:

With the tanks blown that high I cant dive them all left as it would tip me over

I always over-pressure all of my tanks (except for O2) to 250 bar for ocean diving, and more for cave diving.

PCDiver just sent me the CD of the HD video he recorded during our Repulse trip where we were using twin 80 stages for bail-out while diving in 3mm wetsuit. Looking at the video, I didn't see anyone in our team struggled with their trim.

Diving with drysuit, it should be even less of an issue IMHO.

***Beanie*** · 7th August 2007, 11:02

well for some reason I can't do 1 tank on the left it put me off balance, o I have it on the right but then if I only have on its 50% so rich

lean goes on left

works for me

At the end of the dive its personal preference

7th August 2007, 10:21	#22 (permalink)
DonalWalsh Third Class Snorkeller Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Moving to London in Sept.....which way to the South Coast?? Posts: 133	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? I'm with Ritchie there. Lately I've been diving with a max of 2 7l al on my left and found no trim issues at all and like the access it gives me to reels on my right. I've been reluctant to try it with bigger dives/more bailout yet but no doubt will have a go. Its all good. Haven't tried a dildo yet though.... __________________ "Anybody can be a bum. All you need is the right girl, the right bar, and the right friends. They will see you off. They will christen your dumpster for you. "- Bill Hicks
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7th August 2007, 10:36	#23 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,700	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Who told you this, Mark ? Added: I see your answer added to your post. Must say that I don't quite see the effect of the scooter torque affecting the diver to the effect mentioned, but... I have no idea what else has been dreamed up as I don't follow the DIR evolution... Dont ask me i have had a few goes on a Gavin but thats about it. Obviously for the GUE boys there is the long hose under the canister torch. I started out diving stages left when i first got into accelorated deco diveing. Mainly because my mentor was hevily GUE bias. A chap at the dive club said one day I'd screw up and breath the wrong gas diving like that. A month or so later one of the club members 02 toxed after switching to the wrong gas running stages left. He bit his own toung off but survived the incident. I switched to left right after that. I think the stages left idea works if you strictly folow the GUE procedures for tank identification within a teem environmnet. Seeing as i often dive solo or with "just met them" type buddies, i dont feel its a safe system for me. Now with the run times open to me on a CCR I am finding even an Ali80 and steel 10 struggle to give me adiquate bailout gas even running over max presure in the tanks. Rather than go to a third tank I am maxing out the options on the ones i have. With the tanks blown that high I cant dive them all left as it would tip me over. As a result unless i run three ali 80s on one side I cant see how i can run all thanks left even if i wanted too. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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7th August 2007, 10:37	#24 (permalink)
Lancer4545 Closed Circuit Divers Aus Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cairns QLD Australia Posts: 664	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? Quote: (Originally Posted by DonalWalsh) Its all good. Haven't tried a dildo yet though.... My God Man.........What kinda diving you talking about!!!! __________________ You can run but you can't hide! ISC Appointed Megalodon Dealer for East Australia http://www.closedcircuitdivers.com.au info@closedcircuitdivers.com.au
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7th August 2007, 10:38	#25 (permalink)
rogeringebo Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 701	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? One of the reasons I was given by the "Florida cave clan" is that once upon a time the battery cannister was as big as a 7l tank and there were no room for tanks on that side. When cannisters shrank the system was already in place and there is where we are today... Not sure it is accurate but its a reasonable story. Roger
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7th August 2007, 10:41	#26 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? I would say that two AL80 can be hung on one side, after that I would like to find anopther solution. Specially if it is a dive that you have to swim too. Team bail-out is nice, that way you really seldom need to carry more than two anyway. I usually have one AL80 with bottom bailout on the left side as sidemount. If I need to carry decogas it could be 3L O2 for example. Mostly I dive in caves so usually it is only the bottom bailout that hangs along all the time. I also like the feeling that there is nothing on the right hand side. In caves you allways have to think about restrictions, lines etc. Those situations are easier to handle when you have less cluttered right hand side. JH
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7th August 2007, 10:46	#27 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,621	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) How much does your "width" increased with side-mount stages ? I suppose the gross increase is by "one stage tanks width" if you are going from 2 on one side to armadillo, as I used to dive one per side I think the effect has been marginal. As they are now "inline" with me rather than kicked out at the bottom of the tank I may even be narrower. Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I understand that the stages are not "below" you, or could be pushed below you when going thru a tight door on a wreck. How has this affect you when penetrating narrow holes ? Hmm, I haven't faced this issue yet, strangly most wrecks I seem to dive have low but wide holes! I suspect it may restrict access to narrow holes then as the tanks (in my setup) can't be pushed below me much, the attachment to the buttpad is pretty short, its part of what helps them "roll up" your side when the bungie is looped over the valve tap. (Although the whole setup I use is equal to shoulder width as I am doing dives that only require a smaller amount of bailout and I carry it split over two smaller tanks for comfort) One benefit I left out earlier that I just remembered is I can use my arms more! Without the old school stages I can bring my elbows closer together, which means I can use my camera in a more comfortable position, I think my more recent footage support this as its less prone to unwanted movement and has smoother panning motion. __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk Last edited by Ben Field : 7th August 2007 at 10:50. Reason: terrible typing errors amended!
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7th August 2007, 10:48	#28 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 609	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? I think Dr Mike said it best when planning bailout for a 127m dive of Empress. Is always good to plan these things so you know where the gas is. And the result of all this planning Of course you can always do it the Muppet way Cheers Chriso __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com Last edited by Chris : 7th August 2007 at 10:51.
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7th August 2007, 10:53	#29 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) ...i dont feel its a safe system for me... If you don't have the discipline to identify u/w the tank you are about to breath and want to rely strictly that you have placed the correct tank in the correct side at the beginnig of the dive, then it is not the system for you. Quote: With the tanks blown that high I cant dive them all left as it would tip me over I always over-pressure all of my tanks (except for O2) to 250 bar for ocean diving, and more for cave diving. PCDiver just sent me the CD of the HD video he recorded during our Repulse trip where we were using twin 80 stages for bail-out while diving in 3mm wetsuit. Looking at the video, I didn't see anyone in our team struggled with their trim. Diving with drysuit, it should be even less of an issue IMHO. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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7th August 2007, 11:02	#30 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,174	Re: How do you sling your tanks and why? well for some reason I can't do 1 tank on the left it put me off balance, o I have it on the right but then if I only have on its 50% so rich lean goes on left works for me At the end of the dive its personal preference __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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