What to do?

**Steve** · 11th July 2007, 10:29

OK team here is a delicate one for you. What do you feel you would do in the following situation;

Let's say you are an experienced trimix CCR diver and there you are planning to go for a trimix depth dive and you find out that the only other person available for the dive is not trained and very inexperienced but believes they are up to the job.

Do you;

Call the dive and sit it out
Dive solo
Dive with them ???

gathan · 11th July 2007, 10:41

I personally do not like to engage in technical dives with divers I don't know well, so for me this would be a no brainer - I'd go alone.

Andre

Brad_Horn · 11th July 2007, 10:53

Looking outside the box, is there anything preventing the experienced & other diver from conducting workup dives together starting from the boundary of the other divers experience.

Regards
Brad

Mikel-Deko · 11th July 2007, 11:01

Hi
I woudn't dive deep with someone that i don't know.
Doesn't matter if he has the card or not.
This weekend i've been diving a cave in 72 mtrs with an OWD.
My two cents

Best
Mikel

Abbo · 11th July 2007, 11:34

Great question.
Clearly he is not qualified to say whether he is up to making the dive: he doesn't know what it is he doesn't know, because he has neither been taught nor does he have prior experience. If he's not up to making the dive he is likely to kill one or both of you. That's not a calculated risk. I strongly believe that, once fully appraised of the risks, a man has a right to kill himself in any damn fool way he choses to. I just don't think your buddy is in a position to evaluate the risks.

I would be interested to know the legal side of this. If anyone heard him say he lacks the qualifications, and then later there was a serious incident, my guess is you would be fried in court. I'd guess you would lack any of the legal protection you would have if you had formally been his teacher. I'm also intrigued by the legal side of solo trimix diving: would it void the insurance for your dependants?

OceanOpportunity · 11th July 2007, 12:16

if you showed up to the dive/boat solo, anticipating getting paired up with a stranger, but in fact need a buddy, this is poor planning...sit it out.

if you planned on diving solo, dive solo.

of course, just because one is adv trimix certified, doesnt mean they are capable of diving solo (or perhaps divng av trimix necessarily). I've also seen newbie OW divers become instructors after less than 1 year experience...still wearing diapers IMO.

***Decodiver*** · 11th July 2007, 13:55

Go alone.

With their mask and their spare mask in my pocket............

'Twould be shame for them to just 'turn up' at the bottom of the shot now wouldn't it...........

heyydude · 11th July 2007, 14:17

Having been in this situation (and making the wrong choice, I must admit, which turned out o.k. anyway), I would call the dive.

How many of our buddies would still be here if they had that much sense?

You can always dive tomorrow - unless you're dead.

My $.05 worth.

Kevin.

**Freef** · 11th July 2007, 14:25

I'd tell them that I wasn't going to dive with them, simple as that.

I spent a lot of time teaching and taking inexperienced divers in the water, and I still take new or inexperienced divers in, but it has to be whan I want to.

If I have paid for a trip and someone wants to pair me up with a new diver when I am looking at a longer or deeper dive than they are capable of, then if I'm not offered a partial refund I won't go in with them.

mathias · 11th July 2007, 14:44

100% solo !

View Poll Results: Do you dive or not?
Call the dive and sit it out	54	45.00%
Dive Solo	61	50.83%
Dive with them	5	4.17%
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11th July 2007, 10:29	#1 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,041	What to do? OK team here is a delicate one for you. What do you feel you would do in the following situation; Let's say you are an experienced trimix CCR diver and there you are planning to go for a trimix depth dive and you find out that the only other person available for the dive is not trained and very inexperienced but believes they are up to the job. Do you; Call the dive and sit it out Dive solo Dive with them ??? __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types.
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11th July 2007, 10:41	#2 (permalink)
gathan MixedGas Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tottenham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 199	Re: What to do? I personally do not like to engage in technical dives with divers I don't know well, so for me this would be a no brainer - I'd go alone. Andre
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11th July 2007, 10:53	#3 (permalink)
Brad_Horn New Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 52	Re: What to do? Looking outside the box, is there anything preventing the experienced & other diver from conducting workup dives together starting from the boundary of the other divers experience. Regards Brad
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11th July 2007, 11:01	#4 (permalink)
Mikel-Deko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Basque Country -Sp- Posts: 406	Re: What to do? Hi I woudn't dive deep with someone that i don't know. Doesn't matter if he has the card or not. This weekend i've been diving a cave in 72 mtrs with an OWD. My two cents Best Mikel __________________ Mikel-Deko Basque Country www.olatu.net "DIR is the nanny state for divers who cannot think on their own" Ron Micjan
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11th July 2007, 11:34	#5 (permalink)
Abbo Going down on Meg Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tokyo Posts: 375	Re: What to do? Great question. Clearly he is not qualified to say whether he is up to making the dive: he doesn't know what it is he doesn't know, because he has neither been taught nor does he have prior experience. If he's not up to making the dive he is likely to kill one or both of you. That's not a calculated risk. I strongly believe that, once fully appraised of the risks, a man has a right to kill himself in any damn fool way he choses to. I just don't think your buddy is in a position to evaluate the risks. I would be interested to know the legal side of this. If anyone heard him say he lacks the qualifications, and then later there was a serious incident, my guess is you would be fried in court. I'd guess you would lack any of the legal protection you would have if you had formally been his teacher. I'm also intrigued by the legal side of solo trimix diving: would it void the insurance for your dependants?
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11th July 2007, 12:16	#6 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 465	Re: What to do? if you showed up to the dive/boat solo, anticipating getting paired up with a stranger, but in fact need a buddy, this is poor planning...sit it out. if you planned on diving solo, dive solo. of course, just because one is adv trimix certified, doesnt mean they are capable of diving solo (or perhaps divng av trimix necessarily). I've also seen newbie OW divers become instructors after less than 1 year experience...still wearing diapers IMO. __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Elected Director, Society for Human Performance in Extreme Environments MN'07, The Explorers Club Project Manager, Diving a Dream
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11th July 2007, 13:55	#7 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,164	Re: What to do? Go alone. With their mask and their spare mask in my pocket............ 'Twould be shame for them to just 'turn up' at the bottom of the shot now wouldn't it........... __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 11th July 2007 at 14:00.
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11th July 2007, 14:17	#8 (permalink)
heyydude King of the Geeks Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Optima Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Addison, Pennsylvania Posts: 319	Re: What to do? Having been in this situation (and making the wrong choice, I must admit, which turned out o.k. anyway), I would call the dive. How many of our buddies would still be here if they had that much sense? You can always dive tomorrow - unless you're dead. My $.05 worth. Kevin.
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11th July 2007, 14:25	#9 (permalink)
Freef Custom Title Disallowed! Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of the Freef, UK. Posts: 1,356	Re: What to do? I'd tell them that I wasn't going to dive with them, simple as that. I spent a lot of time teaching and taking inexperienced divers in the water, and I still take new or inexperienced divers in, but it has to be whan I want to. If I have paid for a trip and someone wants to pair me up with a new diver when I am looking at a longer or deeper dive than they are capable of, then if I'm not offered a partial refund I won't go in with them. __________________ David. Currently owner of two differently sized ankles.
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11th July 2007, 14:44	#10 (permalink)
mathias Ouroboros #31 Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic MK 15.X Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Switzerland - Murten Posts: 175	Re: What to do? 100% solo ! __________________ Our dreams are other people's nightmares ;-) Plus près du fond, plus loin des cons !
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