What to do?

Mike

Steve - you as an instructor has different options than me as a gumby.

For you:
Are you willing to take the person on as an unpaying student?
IF they were your student would you consider them ready for the dive under instruction?

Unless you can say yes to both those questions, you probably shouldn't dive with them.

Me? Unless it was a mate, I'd make it quite clear that I was having nothing to do with them on the dive. Depending what you mean by 'trimix dive' I might swim around with them (ie for a ~60m dive), but they'd need to have their own plan and bailout.
Anthing that didn't feel routine and I'd sit it out.

Mike

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Steve

Thanks for your input so far Guys.

Nothing in it Jas, just looking ahead and seeing a lack of trained and/or experienced divers in this part of the world. There is a fair depth jump here with one wreck in 40. 2 in about 60m then just about all the rest are in the 85 120m range. I'm firmly in the sit it out camp and am interested in others thoughts.

The other factor in this is what do the skippers do? Do they insist on tickets, waivers or something else????? What daoes the waiver say to cover that a customer isn't qualified and then the skipper knows it??? Head in sand?

I knew I liked Golf for a reason. Just as expensive and frustrating but at least my killer slice isnt a real killer so to speak.

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decoweenie

Move the ball forward a bit will cure your slice...

(BTW, thanks Ray, I am a Golf Expert now )

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wedivebc

Now that sounds like speaking from experience. I have also had divers unexpectedly show up in the wrong place after being left behind.

I would go solo also

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viscya

Not that I'm a skipper, but over here, most of the responsible ones will not let you aboard unless you are experienced, or under instruction. If you call to book a deep trip, they will ask for references. If you can't provide them, they will ask you to do some shallow dives with them prior to the deep dives. Over here, head in sand can land you in court. Even if you have a waiver, why take the chance.


BTW, I've got a hook.

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Leigh

It isn't a question of whether THEY believe they are up to the dive, it's whether YOU as their buddy believe that they are capable and competent to do the dive and whether, as the most qualified/experienced of the pair, you are prepared for the consequences, should you dive, of them not being up to it.

Unfortunately, the litiginous society that we now have to live with means that should something go wrong, you are likely to have your butt sued, either by your buddy, or when it goes ultimately wrong, their relatives, for allowing them to do something that could harm them in the first place and/or failing to get them out of it!!
These days, there is no concept of taking personal responsibility. If you make a decision to do something stupid and then f**K up, it's okay, you can blame the person with you because they should have known better! (And don't make the mistake of thinking that even the most 'right-minded' people won't think that way, they will as soon as there's green stuff to be had)

The Q card isn't really an issue (other than in a legal sense). There are plenty of people who have the piece of paper and aren't safe enough to take a bath without supervision, and plenty of rock solid divers without the card. My personal choice is that I'm happy to dive with someone who's capabilities I feel comfortable with, qualified or not, on the understanding that we're both solo diving in the same bit of ocean! (Bugger, if I sit on the fence any longer I'm gonna get splinters in my dry suit )
I'm not happy to dive with someone outside their personal capabilities unless I'm instructing them.

On any dive, whether it's a 'deep' dive or a bimble, every diver should ask themselves;
Am I self sufficient, or am I relying on a buddy to look after me?
Is my buddy self sufficient or are they relying on me?
Am I capable of rescuing them?
Are they capable of rescuing me?
If the answer is no, to any of them, either don't dive, or don't dive with the buddy, unless you're prepared to accept the consequences.

bourskov

I'm not a trimix diver (yet), but I would NEVER dive with a buddy, that's not certified/expirienced enough for the dive we were about to do...

Then I believe it's safe to dive alone...

Bo Urskov

Andy Del

Apart from the infamous sand dive, I plan my dives as if they are solo, and then tag along with others, if we are of a mind.

With this thought, I'd just go do my dive, however (!) if it became clear the other person was going to insist on diving with me, I'd be sitting it out.

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Tridacna

Solo,solo and again solo!