Deployment of SMB

mattmexico · 17th June 2007, 14:33

....... By using the reg from my BO cylinder, I would have to put the reg back in its place with one hand and hold on to the reel with the other hand and if there is any current - holy crap .... Using a small bottle, just allows one more thing that could have problems .....

yo
.... same as me

Matt

decoweenie · 17th June 2007, 16:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by mattmexico)

....... By using the reg from my BO cylinder, I would have to put the reg back in its place with one hand and hold on to the reel with the other hand and if there is any current - holy crap .... Using a small bottle, just allows one more thing that could have problems .....

yo
.... same as me

Matt

Smoked something good before posting, Matt ?

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 17th June 2007, 16:52

I carry a, er, for lack of a better term, what is known as a "monkey dick" or "dog dick" plugged into a low pressure hose on my bail out bottle. I use this to fill my SMB, and this is not a big deal to re-stow compared to using the second stage of a regulator. If I need to plug in offboard gas, it only takes a second to unplug it and put it in my pocket.

Paul Evans · 17th June 2007, 19:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

I concertina the red bit before diving for ease of deployment. Once out, I just roll it up until I fill it. It's obvious when it needs filling then.

Now that sounds like a good idea

Anybody else do this

Ant Slegg · 17th June 2007, 20:41

For those not familiar with Buddy kit of years gone by a 0.4l version of the bottle was a standard item on their ABLJs and BCs (it is still an option on the Inspiration/Evolution I believe). I don't recall one ever opening by accident and with practice it is possible to get a certain level of control (although not as good as the standard BC inflate). It fell out of favour as it was a difficult piece of kit to get serviced and was generally filled from the diver's 10 or 12 litre cylinder robbing them of a precious few bar.

I haven't as yet invested in the Buddy D-SMB with a bottle but I will be doing so very soon as waving a 2nd stage under an SMB with the chances of it snagging has always struck me as a poor way to do a simple task and having watched the bottle version being deployed in mid-water it is ludicrously easy.

JS1scuba · 17th June 2007, 23:13

Since I have had to relearn diving with the KISS I had to reinvent some of my tactics.

1. SMB small -- only one to use is the DeepSea Supply oral inflate unit.

I exhale to loop 3/4. Switch to OC, inhale, blow inflate tube. Put mouthpiece back in mouth, blow out water, switch to loop. One exhale sends this thing up. I have it on a small bungee loop on my TDL High Vis Spool. It fits in my pocket.

2. TDL SMB 1 meter --- two of these live under my butt on bungees (aka Billy Deans / Kevin Gurr) I have installed an inflator hose on BOTH my bail out stages and have a small doggie dick (air nozzle) bungeed snug to the inflator hose -- when i need to inflate the bag I just pull the hose- connect it and blow it up. It uses large supply gas and not loop gas. I prefer the doggie dick over using the 2nd stage.

I am finding its actually easier to shoot bags while on loop than on OC. The key to it is the set up. Make sure you are not dicking around with it. Have it all ready to rock before going to dive.

Cheers

mempilot · 17th June 2007, 23:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba)

Since I have had to relearn diving with the KISS I had to reinvent some of my tactics.

1. SMB small -- only one to use is the DeepSea Supply oral inflate unit.

I exhale to loop 3/4. Switch to OC, inhale, blow inflate tube. Put mouthpiece back in mouth, blow out water, switch to loop. One exhale sends this thing up.

Joel,

Why not just purge that gas directily into the bag from the OC reg? That seems like a lot to do there.

JS1scuba · 17th June 2007, 23:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

Joel,

Why not just purge that gas directily into the bag from the OC reg? That seems like a lot to do there.

Purging a reg in cold water is just not an entirely wise thing to do. It can cause a free flow and then i have to solve another problem. The KISS BOV is not really set up for filling bags. I am not a fan of putting my face under any lift bag. The small blow up ones - easy the big bags -- use a doggy dick. A lot more control.

Cheers

JDS

mempilot · 17th June 2007, 23:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba)

Purging a reg in cold water is just not an entirely wise thing to do. It can cause a free flow and then i have to solve another problem.

Cool. I wasn't thinking about the cold water problem. Thanks.

Ant Slegg · 18th June 2007, 09:33

I did hear recently about a technique that involved transferring some loop gas to the D-SMB in effect causing zero buoyancy change although I didn't get into the details of how this was achieved.

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17th June 2007, 16:18	#22 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Deployment of SMB Quote: (Originally Posted by mattmexico) ....... By using the reg from my BO cylinder, I would have to put the reg back in its place with one hand and hold on to the reel with the other hand and if there is any current - holy crap .... Using a small bottle, just allows one more thing that could have problems ..... yo .... same as me Matt Smoked something good before posting, Matt ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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17th June 2007, 16:52	#23 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,044	Re: Deployment of SMB I carry a, er, for lack of a better term, what is known as a "monkey dick" or "dog dick" plugged into a low pressure hose on my bail out bottle. I use this to fill my SMB, and this is not a big deal to re-stow compared to using the second stage of a regulator. If I need to plug in offboard gas, it only takes a second to unplug it and put it in my pocket. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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17th June 2007, 19:11	#24 (permalink)
Paul Evans Freedom is the Key. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 133	Re: Deployment of SMB Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) I concertina the red bit before diving for ease of deployment. Once out, I just roll it up until I fill it. It's obvious when it needs filling then. Now that sounds like a good idea Anybody else do this __________________ "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you." Jean-Paul Sartre "Any time anyone says, 'there is only one right way to do this' your bullshit meter should be pegged. Its a presumptive statement, made by a person who fears being proved wrong." Bill Gavin.
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17th June 2007, 20:41	#25 (permalink)
Ant Slegg Still Learning.... Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grevenmacher, Luxembourg Posts: 167	Re: Deployment of SMB For those not familiar with Buddy kit of years gone by a 0.4l version of the bottle was a standard item on their ABLJs and BCs (it is still an option on the Inspiration/Evolution I believe). I don't recall one ever opening by accident and with practice it is possible to get a certain level of control (although not as good as the standard BC inflate). It fell out of favour as it was a difficult piece of kit to get serviced and was generally filled from the diver's 10 or 12 litre cylinder robbing them of a precious few bar. I haven't as yet invested in the Buddy D-SMB with a bottle but I will be doing so very soon as waving a 2nd stage under an SMB with the chances of it snagging has always struck me as a poor way to do a simple task and having watched the bottle version being deployed in mid-water it is ludicrously easy. __________________ Ant' S Learning to dive since 1990...
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17th June 2007, 23:18	#27 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,269	Re: Deployment of SMB Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba) Since I have had to relearn diving with the KISS I had to reinvent some of my tactics. 1. SMB small -- only one to use is the DeepSea Supply oral inflate unit. I exhale to loop 3/4. Switch to OC, inhale, blow inflate tube. Put mouthpiece back in mouth, blow out water, switch to loop. One exhale sends this thing up. Joel, Why not just purge that gas directily into the bag from the OC reg? That seems like a lot to do there. __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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17th June 2007, 23:28	#28 (permalink)
JS1scuba RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss MK 15.X Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ - USA Posts: 420	Re: Deployment of SMB Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) Joel, Why not just purge that gas directily into the bag from the OC reg? That seems like a lot to do there. Purging a reg in cold water is just not an entirely wise thing to do. It can cause a free flow and then i have to solve another problem. The KISS BOV is not really set up for filling bags. I am not a fan of putting my face under any lift bag. The small blow up ones - easy the big bags -- use a doggy dick. A lot more control. Cheers JDS
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17th June 2007, 23:41	#29 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,269	Re: Deployment of SMB Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba) Purging a reg in cold water is just not an entirely wise thing to do. It can cause a free flow and then i have to solve another problem. Cool. I wasn't thinking about the cold water problem. Thanks. __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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18th June 2007, 09:33	#30 (permalink)
Ant Slegg Still Learning.... Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grevenmacher, Luxembourg Posts: 167	Re: Deployment of SMB I did hear recently about a technique that involved transferring some loop gas to the D-SMB in effect causing zero buoyancy change although I didn't get into the details of how this was achieved. __________________ Ant' S Learning to dive since 1990...
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