Weighting with bailout

Shaunzxr · 13th June 2007, 13:55

I mainly dive 35m about an hour, I take a 7l ali with 30%.
I weight myself with as little lead as poss the 7L being part of that weight.
I can control my ascent no problem and can hold a stop at 3m no problem.
I control my boyancy with my suite, right or wrong I am happy with that.

I am now building up dives to do mod2/3 and carrying a ali 80cf as well.
I now find out I can't consider the bottles as weight incase I have to ditch them or pass them off. I understand this is correct and obviously I am following the rules.

Its just now I am dropping like a brick. I am filling the suit to stop squeeze and controlling the boyancy with the wing. This is out of my comfort zone and feel I am starting again. Yes I'm coping and maybe a few more dives and I will be ok.

I can't help feeling what if I don't ever ditch or pass off the bottles. I don't think I would ever ditch them and I don't think I would pass them off unless I new I didn't need them.
Why not consider them as weight and go back to using my suit for boyancy

***schford*** · 13th June 2007, 14:04

It depend's on your strategy - I wrote an article about weighting some where in the forums I really should put it in the library...any how back to the matter at hand.

Personally I cound my bailouts as being part of my weight but have 2m hoses so if someone needs to breath off them they can.

If my buddy bailouts I will be coming up with them anyway.

Stuart

Shaunzxr · 13th June 2007, 14:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

It depend's on your strategy - I wrote an article about weighting some where in the forums I really should put it in the library...any how back to the matter at hand.

Personally I cound my bailouts as being part of my weight but have 2m hoses so if someone needs to breath off them they can.

If my buddy bailouts I will be coming up with them anyway.

Stuart

Out of interest how do you control your boyancy

Mikel-Deko · 13th June 2007, 15:32

Hi
Do you test your bouyancy with them full or empty?
Mikel

***schford*** · 13th June 2007, 16:13

I use a wing to control my bouyancy and use my suit to stop suit squeeze only.

I set my weight with them empty and use 7l steels.

Stuart

decoweenie · 13th June 2007, 16:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Personally I cound my bailouts as being part of my weight but have 2m hoses so if someone needs to breath off them they can.

Just hope that you will never have to take them off underwater...

Anything could happen:

Had to take the stages off to get out of a secondary tight hole when the main entrance was silted out (it actually happened recently)
Stage clips broken off - could happen

viscya · 13th June 2007, 16:32

Weighting is me + unit + a lb or two for a quicker decent.

Bailout is separate since it may be handed off, or clipped to a line on the way up. Beside, the swing in buoyancy invalidates it's use as negative weight. If anything you have to carry extra weight to account for the buoyancy of empty bottles.

***schford*** · 13th June 2007, 16:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Just hope that you will never have to take them off underwater...

Anything could happen:

Had to take the stages off to get out of a secondary tight hole when the main entrance was silted out (it actually happened recently)
Stage clips broken off - could happen

Would have to tie em on with the 2m hose then

or stuff my bockets with crap!

womble · 13th June 2007, 18:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by viscya)

Weighting is me + unit + a lb or two for a quicker decent.

Bailout is separate since it may be handed off, or clipped to a line on the way up. Beside, the swing in buoyancy invalidates it's use as negative weight. If anything you have to carry extra weight to account for the buoyancy of empty bottles.

What he said.

Mark Chase · 13th June 2007, 22:07

I use an ali 80 of 50% which is pretty neutral in the water, and a steel 10ltr which is pretty neutral in the water when filled with 18/45 so my tanks dont really assist on the weighting front anyway.

I can hold a 6m stop with just the unit on and 3m is doable but its uncomfortable to hold for a long time.

Then i add bailout, reels, back up lights and all the other paraphernalia i might have to ditch and i sink just fine. I sink really quickly with two 7s for bailout but as i say the 10 and the 80 dont add much at all, Maybe 1k each for the first stage?

ATB

Mark Chase

View Poll Results: Weighting with bailout
I don't consider bailout as weight	42	75.00%
I do consider bailout as weight	19	33.93%
Didn't know you couldn't consider bailout as weight	0	0%
I would never take off my bailout underwater	7	12.50%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

13th June 2007, 13:55	#1 (permalink)
Shaunzxr Inspo Luver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK, midlands Posts: 80	Weighting with bailout I mainly dive 35m about an hour, I take a 7l ali with 30%. I weight myself with as little lead as poss the 7L being part of that weight. I can control my ascent no problem and can hold a stop at 3m no problem. I control my boyancy with my suite, right or wrong I am happy with that. I am now building up dives to do mod2/3 and carrying a ali 80cf as well. I now find out I can't consider the bottles as weight incase I have to ditch them or pass them off. I understand this is correct and obviously I am following the rules. Its just now I am dropping like a brick. I am filling the suit to stop squeeze and controlling the boyancy with the wing. This is out of my comfort zone and feel I am starting again. Yes I'm coping and maybe a few more dives and I will be ok. I can't help feeling what if I don't ever ditch or pass off the bottles. I don't think I would ever ditch them and I don't think I would pass them off unless I new I didn't need them. Why not consider them as weight and go back to using my suit for boyancy
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13th June 2007, 14:04	#2 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,660	Re: Weighting with bailout It depend's on your strategy - I wrote an article about weighting some where in the forums I really should put it in the library...any how back to the matter at hand. Personally I cound my bailouts as being part of my weight but have 2m hoses so if someone needs to breath off them they can. If my buddy bailouts I will be coming up with them anyway. Stuart __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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13th June 2007, 14:10	#3 (permalink)
Shaunzxr Inspo Luver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK, midlands Posts: 80	Re: Weighting with bailout Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) It depend's on your strategy - I wrote an article about weighting some where in the forums I really should put it in the library...any how back to the matter at hand. Personally I cound my bailouts as being part of my weight but have 2m hoses so if someone needs to breath off them they can. If my buddy bailouts I will be coming up with them anyway. Stuart Out of interest how do you control your boyancy
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13th June 2007, 15:32	#4 (permalink)
Mikel-Deko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Basque Country -Sp- Posts: 406	Re: Weighting with bailout Hi Do you test your bouyancy with them full or empty? Mikel __________________ Mikel-Deko Basque Country www.olatu.net "DIR is the nanny state for divers who cannot think on their own" Ron Micjan
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13th June 2007, 16:13	#5 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,660	Re: Weighting with bailout I use a wing to control my bouyancy and use my suit to stop suit squeeze only. I set my weight with them empty and use 7l steels. Stuart __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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13th June 2007, 16:28	#6 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,509	Re: Weighting with bailout Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Personally I cound my bailouts as being part of my weight but have 2m hoses so if someone needs to breath off them they can. Just hope that you will never have to take them off underwater... Anything could happen: Had to take the stages off to get out of a secondary tight hole when the main entrance was silted out (it actually happened recently) Stage clips broken off - could happen __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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13th June 2007, 16:32	#7 (permalink)
viscya Wrecking Crew Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Marlton New Jersey Posts: 140	Re: Weighting with bailout Weighting is me + unit + a lb or two for a quicker decent. Bailout is separate since it may be handed off, or clipped to a line on the way up. Beside, the swing in buoyancy invalidates it's use as negative weight. If anything you have to carry extra weight to account for the buoyancy of empty bottles. __________________ "There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters." DrMike
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13th June 2007, 16:33	#8 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,660	Re: Weighting with bailout Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Just hope that you will never have to take them off underwater... Anything could happen: Had to take the stages off to get out of a secondary tight hole when the main entrance was silted out (it actually happened recently) Stage clips broken off - could happen Would have to tie em on with the 2m hose then or stuff my bockets with crap! __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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13th June 2007, 18:36	#9 (permalink)
womble Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Posts: 188	Re: Weighting with bailout Quote: (Originally Posted by viscya) Weighting is me + unit + a lb or two for a quicker decent. Bailout is separate since it may be handed off, or clipped to a line on the way up. Beside, the swing in buoyancy invalidates it's use as negative weight. If anything you have to carry extra weight to account for the buoyancy of empty bottles. What he said. __________________ "What could possibly go wrong?? . . "
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13th June 2007, 22:07	#10 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,409	Re: Weighting with bailout I use an ali 80 of 50% which is pretty neutral in the water, and a steel 10ltr which is pretty neutral in the water when filled with 18/45 so my tanks dont really assist on the weighting front anyway. I can hold a 6m stop with just the unit on and 3m is doable but its uncomfortable to hold for a long time. Then i add bailout, reels, back up lights and all the other paraphernalia i might have to ditch and i sink just fine. I sink really quickly with two 7s for bailout but as i say the 10 and the 80 dont add much at all, Maybe 1k each for the first stage? ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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