Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR?

vlada · 5th June 2007, 13:53

I dive BR80 now, but considering switching to a CCR (Orobouros) for various reasons, size being number one. RB80 with steel cylinders weights more than i do, is too bulky and borderline unmanageable in the current.

RB80 is a very simple unit and reading Orobouros manual, i am getting a feeling it's one of the more complex ones.

The question is - once you familiarize yourself with a particular unit (say 50 hrs) what do people feel is the minimum amount of diving per month that they require to maintain competency? Once a week, every two weeks? I know it would be different for various divers, but there have got to be a minimum frequency beyond which CCR becomes too dangerous. I also have a feeling that this minimum is higher than with OC or SCR.

I have too many competing interests, some of which, like flying, also require considerable time commitments and min frequency, so just trying to figure out how it all fits.

Thanks

Ben Field · 5th June 2007, 14:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by vlada)

I dive BR80 now, but considering switching to a CCR (Orobouros) for various reasons, size being number one.

Talk about going from extremes!!

I only get to dive once a month generally, but don't find it a problem.... of course it might depend on the level of diving your doing? Seeing as your going from RB80 to Boris maybe you're a cave monkey, in which case maybe you need to be more intune with your kit than us open water cowboys?

vlada · 5th June 2007, 15:42

My typical diving in Great Lakes wrecks in 150 to 240 ft (50 to 80 meters) with a cave trip or two per year.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Talk about going from extremes!!

I only get to dive once a month generally, but don't find it a problem.... of course it might depend on the level of diving your doing? Seeing as your going from RB80 to Boris maybe you're a cave monkey, in which case maybe you need to be more intune with your kit than us open water cowboys?

DaveC · 5th June 2007, 16:59

Hi Vlada,

I find if I'm off the Rebreather for any more then a two week period, I get very rusty. Now having said that, I'm finding that with the additional hours being racked on the unit (Prism) I'm not as bad as it was when I only had 50hrs, it was easier at 70 and much easier at the 100hr mark. Espeically when managing a scooter, two or three 80's for bailout, flying the unit manually and trying to not loose my dive buddy in 20' or less vis. So of course, the more you use all the gear for the longest/deepest dive that you would do, the easier it will become and in time you may not have to practice as often, maybe once every two weeks not once every week.

But then not getting in the water at least once a week, would be like not having sex two or three times a day.

Dave Faye · 5th June 2007, 17:28

I find that after a month or so you can forget little things. I think it makes sense to dive ccr at least once a month to stay proficient. On the deeper stuff I tend to do gradual work ups and dive every week if I'm able. You do have to stay sharp on a ccr and the only way is regular practice and diving.

Devils Advocate · 6th June 2007, 06:17

But then not getting in the water at least once a week, would be like not having sex two or three times a day.

Hi Dave, Vlada,
I have this the wrong way round!!! I am getting in the water 2-3 hours a day on only getting the sex about once a week!! I think i have my priorities wrong

Aaron....

**RichClark** · 6th June 2007, 08:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Devils Advocate)

But then not getting in the water at least once a week, would be like not having sex two or three times a day.

Hi Dave, Vlada,
I have this the wrong way round!!! I am getting in the water 2-3 hours a day on only getting the sex about once a week!! I think i have my priorities wrong

Aaron....

You're clearly not married, I find that it inhibits both diving and the sex

Rich

decoweenie · 6th June 2007, 08:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark)

You're clearly not married, I find that it inhibits both diving and the sex

Should someone tells that story about "taking from the jar after marriage" ?

rdmmdr · 6th June 2007, 19:23

i still have pennies left
rick

**RichClark** · 6th June 2007, 20:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Should someone tells that story about "taking from the jar after marriage" ?

Are you volunteering Phi? :-)

5th June 2007, 13:53	#1 (permalink)
vlada Diver with a camera Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 60	Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? I dive BR80 now, but considering switching to a CCR (Orobouros) for various reasons, size being number one. RB80 with steel cylinders weights more than i do, is too bulky and borderline unmanageable in the current. RB80 is a very simple unit and reading Orobouros manual, i am getting a feeling it's one of the more complex ones. The question is - once you familiarize yourself with a particular unit (say 50 hrs) what do people feel is the minimum amount of diving per month that they require to maintain competency? Once a week, every two weeks? I know it would be different for various divers, but there have got to be a minimum frequency beyond which CCR becomes too dangerous. I also have a feeling that this minimum is higher than with OC or SCR. I have too many competing interests, some of which, like flying, also require considerable time commitments and min frequency, so just trying to figure out how it all fits. Thanks __________________ Vlada www.wrecksandreefs.com
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5th June 2007, 14:17	#2 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,486	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? Quote: (Originally Posted by vlada) I dive BR80 now, but considering switching to a CCR (Orobouros) for various reasons, size being number one. Talk about going from extremes!! I only get to dive once a month generally, but don't find it a problem.... of course it might depend on the level of diving your doing? Seeing as your going from RB80 to Boris maybe you're a cave monkey, in which case maybe you need to be more intune with your kit than us open water cowboys? __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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5th June 2007, 15:42	#3 (permalink)
vlada Diver with a camera Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 60	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? My typical diving in Great Lakes wrecks in 150 to 240 ft (50 to 80 meters) with a cave trip or two per year. Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Talk about going from extremes!! I only get to dive once a month generally, but don't find it a problem.... of course it might depend on the level of diving your doing? Seeing as your going from RB80 to Boris maybe you're a cave monkey, in which case maybe you need to be more intune with your kit than us open water cowboys? __________________ Vlada www.wrecksandreefs.com
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5th June 2007, 16:59	#4 (permalink)
DaveC New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario. Canada Posts: 192	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? Hi Vlada, I find if I'm off the Rebreather for any more then a two week period, I get very rusty. Now having said that, I'm finding that with the additional hours being racked on the unit (Prism) I'm not as bad as it was when I only had 50hrs, it was easier at 70 and much easier at the 100hr mark. Espeically when managing a scooter, two or three 80's for bailout, flying the unit manually and trying to not loose my dive buddy in 20' or less vis. So of course, the more you use all the gear for the longest/deepest dive that you would do, the easier it will become and in time you may not have to practice as often, maybe once every two weeks not once every week. But then not getting in the water at least once a week, would be like not having sex two or three times a day. __________________ Dave Any day in the water is better then any day in the office.
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5th June 2007, 17:28	#5 (permalink)
Dave Faye This is my custom title Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 151	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? I find that after a month or so you can forget little things. I think it makes sense to dive ccr at least once a month to stay proficient. On the deeper stuff I tend to do gradual work ups and dive every week if I'm able. You do have to stay sharp on a ccr and the only way is regular practice and diving. __________________ DSF
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6th June 2007, 06:17	#6 (permalink)
Devils Advocate anarchist & nonconformist Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Pelagian Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: egypt Posts: 57	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? But then not getting in the water at least once a week, would be like not having sex two or three times a day. Hi Dave, Vlada, I have this the wrong way round!!! I am getting in the water 2-3 hours a day on only getting the sex about once a week!! I think i have my priorities wrong Aaron....
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6th June 2007, 08:29	#7 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 766	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? Quote: (Originally Posted by Devils Advocate) But then not getting in the water at least once a week, would be like not having sex two or three times a day. Hi Dave, Vlada, I have this the wrong way round!!! I am getting in the water 2-3 hours a day on only getting the sex about once a week!! I think i have my priorities wrong Aaron.... You're clearly not married, I find that it inhibits both diving and the sex Rich __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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6th June 2007, 08:49	#8 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark) You're clearly not married, I find that it inhibits both diving and the sex Should someone tells that story about "taking from the jar after marriage" ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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6th June 2007, 19:23	#9 (permalink)
rdmmdr designer of death Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: kerman,california Posts: 372	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? i still have pennies left rick
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6th June 2007, 20:37	#10 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 766	Re: Minimum amount of diving to keep proficient with ECCR? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Should someone tells that story about "taking from the jar after marriage" ? Are you volunteering Phi? :-) __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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