Use of a Twin Rebreather in a Cave enviroment

AM · 30th March 2007, 07:25

Mike, I won't waste my time requoting you and responding to each point, I've done that already.

Rick thought this was a very dangerous proposition as well and sorry your "two years and shitloads of dives" count for f*ck all against his 20+ years and multiple explorations in HARD caves.

Go ahead and kill yourself - it's your life.

Regards

AnneMarie

Drmike · 30th March 2007, 07:32

AM you need to stop thinking like a padi diver
'all this 'what if a diver needs gas' nonsense is no applicable in a deep cave dive

If me and a diver have just been to 200m+ and he needs more gas than hes carrying or hes staged (assuming hes not on twin Rebreather) one or both of us is going to die. O a dive like that you either have 100% of the gas you need or your dead (crippled) theres no such thing as almost having enough gas when your facing 10 hours of deco.

The other big risk with OC bail is RMV. When I bailed 800m inside the Russel to OC with a dead scooter my RMV was at the start 45! And few really stage what they actually might need on a big dive (if they were honest with what the RMVs could be)

I am NOT saying twin Rebreather is for every dive - its isnt
I am not saying you dont need adequate drive dill or o2 especially in up and down cave OBVIOUSLY
I am not even saying ill never use satge tanks with a twn Rebreather

What I am saying is if you trust the bob then you can step away from OC bail and that is something you either strep away from 100% or not at all. There is no point having a little bit of OC bail gas (other than what you need for warming up the scrubber)

its like being a little bit pregnant

AM · 30th March 2007, 07:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

AM you need to stop thinking like a padi diver
'all this 'what if a diver needs gas' nonsense is no applicable in a deep cave dive

Very amusing. Time of the month sweetie? PMT = permanent male tension in your case love. So, do you not need to breathe in a deep cave dive? Why don't you read about Jochen Hasenmeyer? You'll meet people in sumps alright, after a bit longer than two years!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

If me and a diver have just been to 200m+ and he needs more gas than hes carrying or hes staged (assuming hes not on twin Rebreather) one or both of us is going to die. O a dive like that you either have 100% of the gas you need or your dead (crippled) theres no such thing as almost having enough gas when your facing 10 hours of deco.

"Almost" having enough gas is for amateurs. Now, who's the PADI mentality? Single tank to 40m reminiscent here! You just said in the post before that your bottom diver was going to have a twin Rebreather, now you're making assumptions that's he's not on one!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

The other big risk with OC bail is RMV. When I bailed 800m inside the Russel to OC with a dead scooter my RMV was at the start 45! And few really stage what they actually might need on a big dive (if they were honest with what the RMVs could be)

Few really stage? What utter, utter BS. Sra Keow is like Ginnie I suppose if you compare it to the Truffe or some caves that don't consist of a deep stunt plunge up and down. Carry on doing them by all means since your two years makes you a guru clearly! I bow to you Guru Mike.

So your scooter dies at the deepest furthest point of the dive then you have a scrubber problem on your primary Rebreather. Are you going to swim all the way back on your untested secondary scrubber with no redundancy?

Mike, if you want to be a proper cave diver, learn to do it properly.

Drmike · 30th March 2007, 07:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

Mike, I won't waste my time requoting you and responding to each point, I've done that already.

Rick thought this was a very dangerous proposition as well and sorry your "two years and shitloads of dives" count for f*ck all against his 20+ years and multiple explorations in HARD caves.

Go ahead and kill yourself - it's your life.

Regards

AnneMarie

Ah I see we have reached the mature part of the discussion

Unfortunately I only had the chance to talk briefly to Rick about the bob (and JohnV

) and the dives were doing. I really doubt very much if he had anywhere near enough info to formulate any opinion if any - but that's not really important is it. I'm not seeking anyone's validation - you are the one who started ranting at me and calling me suicidal.

Trust me everyone's sh1t stinks, no least from what Ive learnt, deep cave divers. Rick Im sure takes some calculated risks with gear just like me and just like anyone else. You do what you have to to get the job done. Sometimes that means crappy dangerous homemade gear held together with zip ties and duct tape. Can make you look crazy to the onlooker - even dangerous, but that can mask how much thought and planning and consideration goes on behind it. lets face it you have to be a bit of a loony to want to swim down dark water filled holes in the ground anyway.

Still whatever is behind your latest hormone induced schizophrenic assault on me - there's one thought ill leave you with.'

I may not be doing it the way 'you' think I should be doing it
I may not be doing it the way others do it

But you know what?

At least I'm f_cking doing it!

AM · 30th March 2007, 07:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Ah I see we have reached the mature part of the discussion

Unfortunately I only had the chance to talk briefly to Rick about the bob (and JohnV

) and the dives were doing. I really doubt very much if he had anywhere near enough info to formulate any opinion if any - but that's not really important is it. I'm not seeking anyone's validation - you are the one who started ranting at me and calling me suicidal.

Trust me everyone's sh1t stinks, no least from what Ive learnt, deep cave divers. Rick Im sure takes some calculated risks with gear just like me and just like anyone else. You do what you have to to get the job done. Sometimes that means crappy dangerous homemade gear held together with zip ties and duct tape. Can make you look crazy to the onlooker - even dangerous, but that can mask how much thought and planning and consideration goes on behind it. lets face it you have to be a bit of a loony to want to swim down dark water filled holes in the ground anyway.

Still whatever is behind your latest hormone induced schizophrenic assault on me - there's one thought ill leave you with.'

I may not be doing it the way 'you' think I should be doing it
I may not be doing it the way others do it

But you know what?

At least I'm f_cking doing it!

You won't be doing it much longer if you think your plans outlined on an internet forum are going to keep you alive in the cave environment.

Rick and I discussed it extensively yesterday and he also agreed that it was lunacy. There is no assault here, just a reasoned attempt to share the benefit of experience with you. Cave diving risks are not all about depth. As you have already found out.

Other people DO dive, they just don't shout all over the web about it. For some reason, you think that volume of noise on the web equals amounts of dives. Do you see Rick or John or Jason or anyone else of that experience outlining their plans on the web? Absolutely not. There are good reasons for that, learn them.

As I said, two years counts for jacksh*t in this environment. Goodbye Mike, I think I shall leave you to your avid viewers. Once you have to resort to personal commentary you have lessened the value of the debate and have no valid mitigations left for your suicide plans.

Drmike · 30th March 2007, 07:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

Very amusing. Time of the month sweetie? PMT = permanent male tension in your case love. So, do you not need to breathe in a deep cave dive? Why don't you read about Jochen Hasenmeyer? You'll meet people in sumps alright, after a bit longer than two years!

I may be a complete d1ck head but I can assure you Im not such a d1ck head to try to dive sumps with Boris and a butt bob!!! (there are no sumps where Im doing 95% of my diving and there are I think less then 4 certified cave divers in the whole of S E Asia so its a bit lonely in them thur caves)

Quote:

"Almost" having enough gas is for amateurs. Now, who's the PADI mentality? Single tank to 40m reminiscent here! You just said in the post before that your bottom diver was going to have a twin Rebreather, now you're making assumptions that's he's not on one!

? I have no idea what your point is.

Isnt it obvious? If Im diving with someone they will have to look after their own gas needs...its not rocket science.

Quote:

Few really stage? What utter, utter BS. Sra Keow is like Ginnie I suppose if you compare it to the Truffe or some caves that don't consist of a deep stunt plunge up and down. Carry on doing them by all means since your two years makes you a guru clearly! I bow to you Guru Mike.

Again I have no idea what your point is. I only said that few Rebreather divers I know actualy plan for anything like realistic RMvs when they calculate bail gas and put stages in caves/carry them on wrecks)

Quote:

So your scooter dies at the deepest furthest point of the dive then you have a scrubber problem on your primary Rebreather. Are you going to swim all the way back on your untested secondary scrubber with no redundancy?

yes thats exactly what I would do.

Quote:

Mike, if you want to be a proper cave diver, learn to do it properly.

sigh...more mature insight.

Clearly you cant discuss or accept other points of view withouit getting personal.

Like I said I may (in your eyes) be a d1ckhead - but at least Im doing the dives - and you are talking about them (and not the other way around)

Now gotto go and get my kit packed - Im going diving

AM · 30th March 2007, 08:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Clearly you cant discuss or accept other points of view withouit getting personal.

I believe you'll find you resorted to extensive personal commentary in your previous posts on this thread. I've never met you but in any case my teflon coat is more than thick enough to deflect you! Just don't go jumping out of any bushes at me though!

As I said, two years counts for jacksh*t in this environment. The difference is I don't have to seek validation for my plans or completed dives on the internet. You are trying very hard to get me to compare my diving with yours but I have absolutely no intention of discussing the minute details of my planned dives (at least five of them being below 200m this year), strategies, or previous dives, on the internet. Some of us prefer to get on with it quietly. Signal to noise ratio in your case doesn't make your two years more than it is, at two years you are still a novice cave diver. Bedding planes, rifts, avens, airbells, etc, have saved people's lives in caves, not BOBs.

Goodbye Mike, I think I shall leave you to your avid internet viewers. Once you have to resort to personal commentary you have lessened the value of the debate and have no valid mitigations left for your suicide plans.

Drmike · 30th March 2007, 08:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

Rick and I discussed it extensively yesterday and he also agreed that it was lunacy. There is no assault here, just a reasoned attempt to share the benefit of experience with you. Cave diving risks are not all about depth. As you have already found out.

Well firstly I dont believe that true because Rick (and you) had no idea what my plans were before todays post - and secondly -so what?
I am sure there are things Rick does that I would consider lunacy. In fact I know there are.
So what?

Quote:

Other people DO dive, they just don't shout all over the web about it. For some reason, you think that volume of noise on the web equals amounts of dives. Do you see Rick or John or Jason or anyone else of that experience outlining their plans on the web? Absolutely not. There are good reasons for that, learn them.

Er hello - you are the one asking questions and debating my diving here - not the other way around.
Writing about your dives on teh net doesnt automatically make one a d1ck head

Just as not talking about your dives doesnt automaticaly make you a better diver

AM · 30th March 2007, 08:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I
Clearly you cant discuss or accept other points of view withouit getting personal.

I believe you'll find you resorted to extensive personal commentary in your previous posts on this thread. I've never met you but in any case my teflon coat is more than thick enough to deflect you!

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

As I said, two years counts for jacksh*t in this environment. The difference is I don't have to seek validation for my plans or completed dives on the internet. You are trying very hard to get me to compare my diving with yours but I have absolutely no intention of discussing the minute details of my planned dives (at least five of them being below 200m this year), strategies, or previous dives, on the internet. Some of us prefer to get on with it quietly. Signal to noise ratio in your case doesn't make your two years more than it is, at two years you are still a novice cave diver. Bedding planes, rifts, avens, airbells, etc, have saved people's lives in caves, not BOBs.

Goodbye Mike, I think I shall leave you to your avid internet viewers. Once you have to resort to personal commentary you have lessened the value of the debate and have no valid mitigations left for your suicide plans.

Drmike · 30th March 2007, 08:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

As I said, two years counts for jacksh*t in this environment. The difference is I don't have to seek validation for my plans or completed dives on the internet. You are trying very hard to get me to compare my diving with yours but I have absolutely no intention of discussing the minute details of my planned dives (at least five of them being below 200m this year), strategies, or previous dives, on the internet.

Er hello YOU are the one in-validating MY diving - not the otehr way around. I never came on here asking that you or anyoen else validate me or my diving- YOU are the one that started ramnting at me.

Quote:

Some of us prefer to get on with it quietly. Signal to noise ratio in your case doesn't make your two years more than it is, it just means you talk a good game.

sigh..Yeh keeping quiet = better diver - I get it

Quote:

I think I shall leave you to your avid internet viewers. .

That would be you then - or did I imagine the well over a dozen green reputation blobs youver sent me?

you know the funniest thing is I really dont give a sh1t what anyone thinks - never did never will I dont need anyone to validate me and yet people like you get so wound up about this stuff. I like to argue - but come on this is just a sport lol!

and this is just the net - not real life

I like to talk about my diving expriences both good and bad, my **** ups, my gear - whatever - Why: Beacuse I like to talk about my interest.

That may make me a d1ckhead in your view - but I really dont care

I see you on every dive forum there is - does that make you a d1ck head too?

30th March 2007, 07:25	#1 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Use of a Twin Rebreather in a Cave enviroment Mike, I won't waste my time requoting you and responding to each point, I've done that already. Rick thought this was a very dangerous proposition as well and sorry your "two years and shitloads of dives" count for fck all against his 20+ years and multiple explorations in HARD caves. Go ahead and kill yourself - it's your life. Regards AnneMarie __________________ Attitude keeps you alive*
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30th March 2007, 07:32	#2 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: some pics of my bob head AM you need to stop thinking like a padi diver 'all this 'what if a diver needs gas' nonsense is no applicable in a deep cave dive If me and a diver have just been to 200m+ and he needs more gas than hes carrying or hes staged (assuming hes not on twin Rebreather) one or both of us is going to die. O a dive like that you either have 100% of the gas you need or your dead (crippled) theres no such thing as almost having enough gas when your facing 10 hours of deco. The other big risk with OC bail is RMV. When I bailed 800m inside the Russel to OC with a dead scooter my RMV was at the start 45! And few really stage what they actually might need on a big dive (if they were honest with what the RMVs could be) I am NOT saying twin Rebreather is for every dive - its isnt I am not saying you dont need adequate drive dill or o2 especially in up and down cave OBVIOUSLY I am not even saying ill never use satge tanks with a twn Rebreather What I am saying is if you trust the bob then you can step away from OC bail and that is something you either strep away from 100% or not at all. There is no point having a little bit of OC bail gas (other than what you need for warming up the scrubber) its like being a little bit pregnant __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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30th March 2007, 07:40	#3 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) AM you need to stop thinking like a padi diver 'all this 'what if a diver needs gas' nonsense is no applicable in a deep cave dive Very amusing. Time of the month sweetie? PMT = permanent male tension in your case love. So, do you not need to breathe in a deep cave dive? Why don't you read about Jochen Hasenmeyer? You'll meet people in sumps alright, after a bit longer than two years! Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) If me and a diver have just been to 200m+ and he needs more gas than hes carrying or hes staged (assuming hes not on twin Rebreather) one or both of us is going to die. O a dive like that you either have 100% of the gas you need or your dead (crippled) theres no such thing as almost having enough gas when your facing 10 hours of deco. "Almost" having enough gas is for amateurs. Now, who's the PADI mentality? Single tank to 40m reminiscent here! You just said in the post before that your bottom diver was going to have a twin Rebreather, now you're making assumptions that's he's not on one! Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) The other big risk with OC bail is RMV. When I bailed 800m inside the Russel to OC with a dead scooter my RMV was at the start 45! And few really stage what they actually might need on a big dive (if they were honest with what the RMVs could be) Few really stage? What utter, utter BS. Sra Keow is like Ginnie I suppose if you compare it to the Truffe or some caves that don't consist of a deep stunt plunge up and down. Carry on doing them by all means since your two years makes you a guru clearly! I bow to you Guru Mike. So your scooter dies at the deepest furthest point of the dive then you have a scrubber problem on your primary Rebreather. Are you going to swim all the way back on your untested secondary scrubber with no redundancy? Mike, if you want to be a proper cave diver, learn to do it properly. __________________ Attitude keeps you alive Last edited by AM : 30th March 2007 at 07:45.
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30th March 2007, 07:45	#4 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by am) Mike, I won't waste my time requoting you and responding to each point, I've done that already. Rick thought this was a very dangerous proposition as well and sorry your "two years and shitloads of dives" count for f*ck all against his 20+ years and multiple explorations in HARD caves. Go ahead and kill yourself - it's your life. Regards AnneMarie Ah I see we have reached the mature part of the discussion Unfortunately I only had the chance to talk briefly to Rick about the bob (and JohnV ) and the dives were doing. I really doubt very much if he had anywhere near enough info to formulate any opinion if any - but that's not really important is it. I'm not seeking anyone's validation - you are the one who started ranting at me and calling me suicidal. Trust me everyone's sh1t stinks, no least from what Ive learnt, deep cave divers. Rick Im sure takes some calculated risks with gear just like me and just like anyone else. You do what you have to to get the job done. Sometimes that means crappy dangerous homemade gear held together with zip ties and duct tape. Can make you look crazy to the onlooker - even dangerous, but that can mask how much thought and planning and consideration goes on behind it. lets face it you have to be a bit of a loony to want to swim down dark water filled holes in the ground anyway. Still whatever is behind your latest hormone induced schizophrenic assault on me - there's one thought ill leave you with.' I may not be doing it the way 'you' think I should be doing it I may not be doing it the way others do it But you know what? At least I'm f_cking doing it! __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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30th March 2007, 07:47	#5 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Ah I see we have reached the mature part of the discussion Unfortunately I only had the chance to talk briefly to Rick about the bob (and JohnV ) and the dives were doing. I really doubt very much if he had anywhere near enough info to formulate any opinion if any - but that's not really important is it. I'm not seeking anyone's validation - you are the one who started ranting at me and calling me suicidal. Trust me everyone's sh1t stinks, no least from what Ive learnt, deep cave divers. Rick Im sure takes some calculated risks with gear just like me and just like anyone else. You do what you have to to get the job done. Sometimes that means crappy dangerous homemade gear held together with zip ties and duct tape. Can make you look crazy to the onlooker - even dangerous, but that can mask how much thought and planning and consideration goes on behind it. lets face it you have to be a bit of a loony to want to swim down dark water filled holes in the ground anyway. Still whatever is behind your latest hormone induced schizophrenic assault on me - there's one thought ill leave you with.' I may not be doing it the way 'you' think I should be doing it I may not be doing it the way others do it But you know what? At least I'm f_cking doing it! You won't be doing it much longer if you think your plans outlined on an internet forum are going to keep you alive in the cave environment. Rick and I discussed it extensively yesterday and he also agreed that it was lunacy. There is no assault here, just a reasoned attempt to share the benefit of experience with you. Cave diving risks are not all about depth. As you have already found out. Other people DO dive, they just don't shout all over the web about it. For some reason, you think that volume of noise on the web equals amounts of dives. Do you see Rick or John or Jason or anyone else of that experience outlining their plans on the web? Absolutely not. There are good reasons for that, learn them. As I said, two years counts for jacksht in this environment. Goodbye Mike, I think I shall leave you to your avid viewers. Once you have to resort to personal commentary you have lessened the value of the debate and have no valid mitigations left for your suicide plans. __________________ Attitude keeps you alive* Last edited by AM : 30th March 2007 at 08:02.
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30th March 2007, 07:59	#6 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by am) Very amusing. Time of the month sweetie? PMT = permanent male tension in your case love. So, do you not need to breathe in a deep cave dive? Why don't you read about Jochen Hasenmeyer? You'll meet people in sumps alright, after a bit longer than two years! I may be a complete d1ck head but I can assure you Im not such a d1ck head to try to dive sumps with Boris and a butt bob!!! (there are no sumps where Im doing 95% of my diving and there are I think less then 4 certified cave divers in the whole of S E Asia so its a bit lonely in them thur caves) Quote: "Almost" having enough gas is for amateurs. Now, who's the PADI mentality? Single tank to 40m reminiscent here! You just said in the post before that your bottom diver was going to have a twin Rebreather, now you're making assumptions that's he's not on one! ? I have no idea what your point is. Isnt it obvious? If Im diving with someone they will have to look after their own gas needs...its not rocket science. Quote: Few really stage? What utter, utter BS. Sra Keow is like Ginnie I suppose if you compare it to the Truffe or some caves that don't consist of a deep stunt plunge up and down. Carry on doing them by all means since your two years makes you a guru clearly! I bow to you Guru Mike. Again I have no idea what your point is. I only said that few Rebreather divers I know actualy plan for anything like realistic RMvs when they calculate bail gas and put stages in caves/carry them on wrecks) Quote: So your scooter dies at the deepest furthest point of the dive then you have a scrubber problem on your primary Rebreather. Are you going to swim all the way back on your untested secondary scrubber with no redundancy? yes thats exactly what I would do. Quote: Mike, if you want to be a proper cave diver, learn to do it properly. sigh...more mature insight. Clearly you cant discuss or accept other points of view withouit getting personal. Like I said I may (in your eyes) be a d1ckhead - but at least Im doing the dives - and you are talking about them (and not the other way around) Now gotto go and get my kit packed - Im going diving __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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30th March 2007, 08:02	#7 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Clearly you cant discuss or accept other points of view withouit getting personal. I believe you'll find you resorted to extensive personal commentary in your previous posts on this thread. I've never met you but in any case my teflon coat is more than thick enough to deflect you! Just don't go jumping out of any bushes at me though! As I said, two years counts for jacksht in this environment. The difference is I don't have to seek validation for my plans or completed dives on the internet. You are trying very hard to get me to compare my diving with yours but I have absolutely no intention of discussing the minute details of my planned dives (at least five of them being below 200m this year), strategies, or previous dives, on the internet. Some of us prefer to get on with it quietly. Signal to noise ratio in your case doesn't make your two years more than it is, at two years you are still a novice cave diver. Bedding planes, rifts, avens, airbells, etc, have saved people's lives in caves, not BOBs. Goodbye Mike, I think I shall leave you to your avid internet viewers. Once you have to resort to personal commentary you have lessened the value of the debate and have no valid mitigations left for your suicide plans. __________________ Attitude keeps you alive* Last edited by AM : 30th March 2007 at 08:14.
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30th March 2007, 08:05	#8 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by am) Rick and I discussed it extensively yesterday and he also agreed that it was lunacy. There is no assault here, just a reasoned attempt to share the benefit of experience with you. Cave diving risks are not all about depth. As you have already found out. Well firstly I dont believe that true because Rick (and you) had no idea what my plans were before todays post - and secondly -so what? I am sure there are things Rick does that I would consider lunacy. In fact I know there are. So what? Quote: Other people DO dive, they just don't shout all over the web about it. For some reason, you think that volume of noise on the web equals amounts of dives. Do you see Rick or John or Jason or anyone else of that experience outlining their plans on the web? Absolutely not. There are good reasons for that, learn them. Er hello - you are the one asking questions and debating my diving here - not the other way around. Writing about your dives on teh net doesnt automatically make one a d1ck head Just as not talking about your dives doesnt automaticaly make you a better diver __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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30th March 2007, 08:12	#9 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 559	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) I Clearly you cant discuss or accept other points of view withouit getting personal. I believe you'll find you resorted to extensive personal commentary in your previous posts on this thread. I've never met you but in any case my teflon coat is more than thick enough to deflect you! Quote: (Originally Posted by am) As I said, two years counts for jacksht in this environment. The difference is I don't have to seek validation for my plans or completed dives on the internet. You are trying very hard to get me to compare my diving with yours but I have absolutely no intention of discussing the minute details of my planned dives (at least five of them being below 200m this year), strategies, or previous dives, on the internet. Some of us prefer to get on with it quietly. Signal to noise ratio in your case doesn't make your two years more than it is, at two years you are still a novice cave diver. Bedding planes, rifts, avens, airbells, etc, have saved people's lives in caves, not BOBs. Goodbye Mike, I think I shall leave you to your avid internet viewers. Once you have to resort to personal commentary you have lessened the value of the debate and have no valid mitigations left for your suicide plans. __________________ Attitude keeps you alive*
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30th March 2007, 08:13	#10 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by am) As I said, two years counts for jacksht in this environment. The difference is I don't have to seek validation for my plans or completed dives on the internet. You are trying very hard to get me to compare my diving with yours but I have absolutely no intention of discussing the minute details of my planned dives (at least five of them being below 200m this year), strategies, or previous dives, on the internet. Er hello YOU are the one in-validating MY diving - not the otehr way around. I never came on here asking that you or anyoen else validate me or my diving- YOU are the one that started ramnting at me. Quote:* Some of us prefer to get on with it quietly. Signal to noise ratio in your case doesn't make your two years more than it is, it just means you talk a good game. sigh..Yeh keeping quiet = better diver - I get it Quote: I think I shall leave you to your avid internet viewers. . That would be you then - or did I imagine the well over a dozen green reputation blobs youver sent me? you know the funniest thing is I really dont give a sh1t what anyone thinks - never did never will I dont need anyone to validate me and yet people like you get so wound up about this stuff. I like to argue - but come on this is just a sport lol! and this is just the net - not real life I like to talk about my diving expriences both good and bad, my **** ups, my gear - whatever - Why: Beacuse I like to talk about my interest. That may make me a d1ckhead in your view - but I really dont care I see you on every dive forum there is - does that make you a d1ck head too? __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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