Use of a Twin Rebreather in a Cave enviroment

Skeletor · 1st April 2007, 18:30

Seems as though no one is permitted to 'discuss' anything in public if it interferes with the status quo.

I was more interested to know why AM's thread was off topic and not the details of the infraction. Or is there a term and condition prohibiting that as well ?

Gobfish1 · 1st April 2007, 19:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor)

Seems as though no one is permitted to 'discuss' anything in public if it interferes with the status quo.

I was more interested to know why AM's thread was off topic and not the details of the infraction. Or is there a term and condition prohibiting that as well ?

reply form the mods would be nice ,

DrJM · 1st April 2007, 19:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by am)

Add a suit flood on top of that and you have buoyancy problems.

Don't spank AM by putting her on Read-only, she like that so much

Seriously, a famous cave diver with two Rebreather cut his suit around -120m, so had to turn back, not too much much trouble going up (he said) until unfortunetly the cave dropped down from -57m to -78m (on the way back) then he was bloody happy to have trimix stages to inflate his suit, even if it was bloody cold gas to inflate the suit, and he finished a bit in hypothermia in the habitat.

So double Rebreather maybe, but enough gas to inflate the suit ? maybe ?

Oh and I forgot to tell you about a guy in the same cave funny enough, who did run out of inflating gas at -160m, thanks god the scooter took him up, but the passage again in the -78m (after going through a high point at -57m) was lets say ... shrinking

J

Skeletor · 1st April 2007, 21:14

diverklondike · 1st April 2007, 22:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor)

Seems as though no one is permitted to 'discuss' anything in public if it interferes with the status quo.

I was more interested to know why AM's thread was off topic and not the details of the infraction. Or is there a term and condition prohibiting that as well ?

While I am not a moderator... I would suspect that it has everything to do with "attitude"... "rudeness"... "not playing well with others"... that caused it...

Dive Safe...

Mark

Skeletor · 1st April 2007, 22:02

Ahhhh group hug

I think Mikes big enough to engage in a little healthy debate, and I'm not so sure that the 'rudeness' as you put it is entirely one sided. Or should we just take everything thats posted by the established Guru's as gospel ?

**Dave Sutton** · 1st April 2007, 22:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor)

Ahhhh group hug

I think Mikes big enough to engage in a little healthy debate, and I'm not so sure that the 'rudeness' as you put it is entirely one sided. Or should we just take everything thats posted by the established Guru's as gospel ?

Debating 101:

Debate Ideas.

Do not debate People or their worth.

Avoid Ad-Hominum attacks, they have no place in debate.

Be polite.

Be sincere when you ask a question: You might learn something.

People have feelings. Respect them.

Shake hands when you are done.

Read this and program your own software/mushware accordingly: Smokey

Smile a lot...

Now *I'm* done....

Dave Sutton

Skeletor · 1st April 2007, 22:23

I do not disagree with anything you have stated in your ideas on debating, however I fail to see where people or their worth were brought into question (other than perhaps a reference to suffering from PMT).

I believe that the debate (albeit off the original topic) centred around the use and possible dangers of using bailout rebreathers ?

The reason I asked the question that I did was because there seemed to be constructive questions being asked, and I feel that there would be genuine benefit in following the train of thought to its conclusion, whichever way that happened to go. It seems that now we will never really have a balanced view though.

Sorry

**Dave Sutton** · 1st April 2007, 22:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor)

I do not disagree with anything you have stated in your ideas on debating, however I fail to see where people or their worth were brought into question .

Then we *respectfully* disagree.... which is exactly how it should be. *Respectful* dsagreement is part and parcel. Disrespectful disagreement is not of value.

DrMike has unique experience, and his methods are independantly verifiable. His work is cutting edge. He has no reason to share other than being a good neighbor. The challenge to him was unmistakable, and was rudely phrased. The same questions might have been asked in a far more polite way, and would have elicited a far greater data set from DrMike than what is now available.

Dave

Skeletor · 1st April 2007, 22:37

Do I infer therefore that AM's experience is less valid than Mikes ?

Both seem to have conflicting views on the use of BOB's and whilst neither may have been particularly well schooled in tact and diplomacy*, it was nevertheless an interesting debate.

*although I am unaware of Am having ever jumped out of a bush

1st April 2007, 18:30	#21 (permalink)
Skeletor The 4th King Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Purgatory Posts: 47	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Seems as though no one is permitted to 'discuss' anything in public if it interferes with the status quo. I was more interested to know why AM's thread was off topic and not the details of the infraction. Or is there a term and condition prohibiting that as well ? __________________ Un-shallow Seating Receptacle
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1st April 2007, 19:19	#22 (permalink)
Gobfish1 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 434	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor) Seems as though no one is permitted to 'discuss' anything in public if it interferes with the status quo. I was more interested to know why AM's thread was off topic and not the details of the infraction. Or is there a term and condition prohibiting that as well ? reply form the mods would be nice , __________________ Steve G Apparently not the only gay diver in the village http://www.scubatunes.com/audio/vol01/mp3/HiTech.mp3
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1st April 2007, 19:20	#23 (permalink)
DrJM Deep Cave Explorer Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Join Date: May 2005 Location: France Posts: 344	Re: some pics of my bob head Quote: (Originally Posted by am) Add a suit flood on top of that and you have buoyancy problems. Don't spank AM by putting her on Read-only, she like that so much Seriously, a famous cave diver with two Rebreather cut his suit around -120m, so had to turn back, not too much much trouble going up (he said) until unfortunetly the cave dropped down from -57m to -78m (on the way back) then he was bloody happy to have trimix stages to inflate his suit, even if it was bloody cold gas to inflate the suit, and he finished a bit in hypothermia in the habitat. So double Rebreather maybe, but enough gas to inflate the suit ? maybe ? Oh and I forgot to tell you about a guy in the same cave funny enough, who did run out of inflating gas at -160m, thanks god the scooter took him up, but the passage again in the -78m (after going through a high point at -57m) was lets say ... shrinking J __________________ www.snoopyloop.com Deep Cave Exploration
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1st April 2007, 22:00	#25 (permalink)
diverklondike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,777	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor) Seems as though no one is permitted to 'discuss' anything in public if it interferes with the status quo. I was more interested to know why AM's thread was off topic and not the details of the infraction. Or is there a term and condition prohibiting that as well ? While I am not a moderator... I would suspect that it has everything to do with "attitude"... "rudeness"... "not playing well with others"... that caused it... Dive Safe... Mark
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Skeletor The 4th King Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Purgatory Posts: 47	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Ahhhh group hug I think Mikes big enough to engage in a little healthy debate, and I'm not so sure that the 'rudeness' as you put it is entirely one sided. Or should we just take everything thats posted by the established Guru's as gospel ? __________________ Un-shallow Seating Receptacle Last edited by Skeletor : 1st April 2007 at 22:09.
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1st April 2007, 22:15	#27 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,971	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor) Ahhhh group hug I think Mikes big enough to engage in a little healthy debate, and I'm not so sure that the 'rudeness' as you put it is entirely one sided. Or should we just take everything thats posted by the established Guru's as gospel ? Debating 101: Debate Ideas. Do not debate People or their worth. Avoid Ad-Hominum attacks, they have no place in debate. Be polite. Be sincere when you ask a question: You might learn something. People have feelings. Respect them. Shake hands when you are done. Read this and program your own software/mushware accordingly: Smokey Smile a lot... Now I'm done.... Dave Sutton __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids, For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white-laced lips. And you see a girls brown body dancing through the turquoise, And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea. And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body, Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind...... Last edited by Dave Sutton : 1st April 2007 at 22:22.
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1st April 2007, 22:23	#28 (permalink)
Skeletor The 4th King Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Purgatory Posts: 47	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread I do not disagree with anything you have stated in your ideas on debating, however I fail to see where people or their worth were brought into question (other than perhaps a reference to suffering from PMT). I believe that the debate (albeit off the original topic) centred around the use and possible dangers of using bailout rebreathers ? The reason I asked the question that I did was because there seemed to be constructive questions being asked, and I feel that there would be genuine benefit in following the train of thought to its conclusion, whichever way that happened to go. It seems that now we will never really have a balanced view though. Sorry __________________ Un-shallow Seating Receptacle Last edited by Skeletor : 1st April 2007 at 22:28.
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1st April 2007, 22:30	#29 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,971	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Quote: (Originally Posted by Skeletor) I do not disagree with anything you have stated in your ideas on debating, however I fail to see where people or their worth were brought into question . Then we respectfully disagree.... which is exactly how it should be. Respectful dsagreement is part and parcel. Disrespectful disagreement is not of value. DrMike has unique experience, and his methods are independantly verifiable. His work is cutting edge. He has no reason to share other than being a good neighbor. The challenge to him was unmistakable, and was rudely phrased. The same questions might have been asked in a far more polite way, and would have elicited a far greater data set from DrMike than what is now available. Dave __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids, For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white-laced lips. And you see a girls brown body dancing through the turquoise, And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea. And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body, Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind......
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Skeletor The 4th King Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Purgatory Posts: 47	Re: Off topic posts from Dr.Mikes BOB thread Do I infer therefore that AM's experience is less valid than Mikes ? Both seem to have conflicting views on the use of BOB's and whilst neither may have been particularly well schooled in tact and diplomacy, it was nevertheless an interesting debate. although I am unaware of Am having ever jumped out of a bush __________________ Un-shallow Seating Receptacle
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