Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers...

decoweenie · 28th March 2007, 15:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

It's usually heard from people who've never even tried them, but I could have guaranteed that you've owned a pair ;-)

Would you like a reference from the previous owner, Hal Gartner ?

May be I should have given it more chance to prove itself instead of giving up after just 1 dive

but usually when the gear doesn't work the first time around, they don't stay around very long with me - unless I need a specific unique feature that I can't get easily elsewhere.

Mark Chase · 28th March 2007, 21:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

It's interesting that people say that, as it's not my experience. It's usually heard from people who've never even tried them, but I could have guaranteed that you've owned a pair ;-)

This is one of those products that seems to get only one of two responses - love or hate. There's no in between.

Agree that the kicking motion has to be changed, though not completely. The first couple of dives, it felt as if I had left my fins behind on the boat. After that, I just loved them. Frog kicking is my normal mode of propulsion with them, so that works fine for me. I suspect that one dive is not enough to make the transition, and that frog-kicking is a higher order skill than normal finning, so will take even longer.

I had exactly the same first dive experience. I thought they had fallen off

I was amazed to be moving forward flapping nothing but my feet.

However i found maneuvering in force fins really tricky. Its so easy in Turtles or Quatros but in these I struggled.

I never tried them again but i am sure once you got used to them the light weight would be great. Thing was it gave me floaty feet and i hate ankle weights.

ATB

Mark Chase

babar · 29th March 2007, 09:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by jeff h)

I bought the ones that go to eleven. Most only go to ten, but mine go to eleven.

That's funny!

babar · 29th March 2007, 09:38

I did have a pair of force fin extras that I used for years...until I started diving doubles. They just didn't give me enough push. I have jets now, but I wonder now that I'm off the doubles.

**PhilSiswick** · 29th March 2007, 12:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Would you like a reference from the previous owner, Hal Gartner ?

No, I'll trust you

Quote:

May be I should have given it more chance to prove itself instead of giving up after just 1 dive

but usually when the gear doesn't work the first time around, they don't stay around very long with me - unless I need a specific unique feature that I can't get easily elsewhere.

I can understand that. I stuck with them because they had features that I wanted (size, ease of donning, comedy value with diving buddies). I wouldn't change them now.

Cheers,

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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) It's usually heard from people who've never even tried them, but I could have guaranteed that you've owned a pair ;-) Would you like a reference from the previous owner, Hal Gartner ? May be I should have given it more chance to prove itself instead of giving up after just 1 dive but usually when the gear doesn't work the first time around, they don't stay around very long with me - unless I need a specific unique feature that I can't get easily elsewhere. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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28th March 2007, 21:12	#32 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,694	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) It's interesting that people say that, as it's not my experience. It's usually heard from people who've never even tried them, but I could have guaranteed that you've owned a pair ;-) This is one of those products that seems to get only one of two responses - love or hate. There's no in between. Agree that the kicking motion has to be changed, though not completely. The first couple of dives, it felt as if I had left my fins behind on the boat. After that, I just loved them. Frog kicking is my normal mode of propulsion with them, so that works fine for me. I suspect that one dive is not enough to make the transition, and that frog-kicking is a higher order skill than normal finning, so will take even longer. I had exactly the same first dive experience. I thought they had fallen off I was amazed to be moving forward flapping nothing but my feet. However i found maneuvering in force fins really tricky. Its so easy in Turtles or Quatros but in these I struggled. I never tried them again but i am sure once you got used to them the light weight would be great. Thing was it gave me floaty feet and i hate ankle weights. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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babar Curmudgeon Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 421	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by jeff h) I bought the ones that go to eleven. Most only go to ten, but mine go to eleven. That's funny! __________________ Babar Evolution Plus Sport kiss
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babar Curmudgeon Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 421	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... I did have a pair of force fin extras that I used for years...until I started diving doubles. They just didn't give me enough push. I have jets now, but I wonder now that I'm off the doubles. __________________ Babar Evolution Plus Sport kiss
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29th March 2007, 12:03	#35 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 991	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Would you like a reference from the previous owner, Hal Gartner ? No, I'll trust you Quote: May be I should have given it more chance to prove itself instead of giving up after just 1 dive but usually when the gear doesn't work the first time around, they don't stay around very long with me - unless I need a specific unique feature that I can't get easily elsewhere. I can understand that. I stuck with them because they had features that I wanted (size, ease of donning, comedy value with diving buddies). I wouldn't change them now. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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