Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers...

jeff h · 28th March 2007, 00:23

I bought the ones that go to eleven. Most only go to ten, but mine go to eleven.

Mark Chase · 28th March 2007, 08:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Personally, I don't classify the SK as extra drag. It is wide than a round shape scrubber unit, but thinner. Just calculate the cross-section area.

For those who use split fins, have you used them in VERY strong current with a lot of gear on ? I just do not think they are strong enough to get you going in the right direction.

I use Turtle fins at the moment because they are better fro trim but the Apollo Bio fins (Split fins) i have are definitely the most powerful fin i have ever owned.

Seac Sub (Dont know but they were planks)

Mares Avanti Quatro (Powerful brilliant but gave me cramp)

Apollo Bio Fins (Powerful comfortable but floaty feet were a PITA)

Turtle fins (Jet fins with big foot pockets. Not powerful but comfortable and good enough for wreck diving.

When i go blue water wet suit i take the Bio fins so i can keep up with the group

God i hate fast finning dive guides.

ATB

Mark Chase

**nigelh** · 28th March 2007, 09:15

Huh?
I'm still using the first fins I ever bought before doing AOW.
I can't even remember the name now as the labels fell off years ago.

I have a pair of Force Fins but I haven't adjusted to them yet.
I also have a huge pair of Cressi Gara 1000s. I don't use them on the rebreather though. They put 100m/min ascent rates on the computers.

Nad · 28th March 2007, 09:41

Extra Force Fin since years now and still happy with them.

Nad

Icarusflies · 28th March 2007, 11:35

What do you guys think about the OMS slipstream fins for ocean dives (I have heavy legs so I really don't need the extra jet weight?

decoweenie · 28th March 2007, 12:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by Icarusflies)

What do you guys think about the OMS slipstream fins...

They are lighter but stiffer (read as: easy for air travel, cramp if have weak legs)

**PhilSiswick** · 28th March 2007, 12:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

Extra Force Fin since years now and still happy with them.

Nad

Ditto - brilliant fins for so, so many reasons.

Cheers,

sven · 28th March 2007, 13:53

Mares Avanti Quattro - a bit too soft in strong currents, compared to the long, stiff fins (brand???) I used to have before I switched to a dry suit. Less cramps on long dives with the Mares.

My advice: Try before you buy! And don't try fins out in a pool.

decoweenie · 28th March 2007, 14:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by sven)

Mares Avanti Quattro - a bit too soft in strong currents...

This is the only other type of fins that I use other than JetFins and OMS copies, but they are strictly for rec diving.

A long time ago, I had to swim very hard for almost 10 minutes to make the 2-ft distance to the anchor line in strong current with loads of gear on (i.e. I slipt off accidentally while ascending), they just don't deliver the power but comfortable to dive in non-current environment.

Bought a second-hand set of the $500-pair of Force Fins, found that the kicking motion has to be changed completely to use them - traded them off after 1 dive. Plus they are very difficult (if not close to impossible) to frog kick properly.

Just personal experience...

**PhilSiswick** · 28th March 2007, 14:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Bought a second-hand set of the $500-pair of Force Fins, found that the kicking motion has to be changed completely to use them - traded them off after 1 dive. Plus they are very difficult (if not close to impossible) to frog kick properly.

Just personal experience...

It's interesting that people say that, as it's not my experience. It's usually heard from people who've never even tried them, but I could have guaranteed that you've owned a pair ;-)

This is one of those products that seems to get only one of two responses - love or hate. There's no in between.

Agree that the kicking motion has to be changed, though not completely. The first couple of dives, it felt as if I had left my fins behind on the boat. After that, I just loved them. Frog kicking is my normal mode of propulsion with them, so that works fine for me. I suspect that one dive is not enough to make the transition, and that frog-kicking is a higher order skill than normal finning, so will take even longer.

28th March 2007, 00:23	#21 (permalink)
jeff h New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 97	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... I bought the ones that go to eleven. Most only go to ten, but mine go to eleven.
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28th March 2007, 08:10	#22 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,699	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Personally, I don't classify the SK as extra drag. It is wide than a round shape scrubber unit, but thinner. Just calculate the cross-section area. For those who use split fins, have you used them in VERY strong current with a lot of gear on ? I just do not think they are strong enough to get you going in the right direction. I use Turtle fins at the moment because they are better fro trim but the Apollo Bio fins (Split fins) i have are definitely the most powerful fin i have ever owned. Seac Sub (Dont know but they were planks) Mares Avanti Quatro (Powerful brilliant but gave me cramp) Apollo Bio Fins (Powerful comfortable but floaty feet were a PITA) Turtle fins (Jet fins with big foot pockets. Not powerful but comfortable and good enough for wreck diving. When i go blue water wet suit i take the Bio fins so i can keep up with the group God i hate fast finning dive guides. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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28th March 2007, 09:15	#23 (permalink)
nigelh New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 837	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Huh? I'm still using the first fins I ever bought before doing AOW. I can't even remember the name now as the labels fell off years ago. I have a pair of Force Fins but I haven't adjusted to them yet. I also have a huge pair of Cressi Gara 1000s. I don't use them on the rebreather though. They put 100m/min ascent rates on the computers. __________________ nigelh
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28th March 2007, 09:41	#24 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 976	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Extra Force Fin since years now and still happy with them. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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28th March 2007, 12:12	#26 (permalink)
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28th March 2007, 12:52	#27 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 996	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) Extra Force Fin since years now and still happy with them. Nad Ditto - brilliant fins for so, so many reasons. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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sven Blogs Admin / Forum Mod Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 551	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Mares Avanti Quattro - a bit too soft in strong currents, compared to the long, stiff fins (brand???) I used to have before I switched to a dry suit. Less cramps on long dives with the Mares. My advice: Try before you buy! And don't try fins out in a pool. __________________ Regards, Sven [SIZE=1]The Sydney Project website: [URL]http://www.sydneyproject.com[/URL] My Blog: [URL]http://sven.rebreatherworld.com[/URL] "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain[/SIZE]
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28th March 2007, 14:02	#29 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by sven) Mares Avanti Quattro - a bit too soft in strong currents... This is the only other type of fins that I use other than JetFins and OMS copies, but they are strictly for rec diving. A long time ago, I had to swim very hard for almost 10 minutes to make the 2-ft distance to the anchor line in strong current with loads of gear on (i.e. I slipt off accidentally while ascending), they just don't deliver the power but comfortable to dive in non-current environment. Bought a second-hand set of the $500-pair of Force Fins, found that the kicking motion has to be changed completely to use them - traded them off after 1 dive. Plus they are very difficult (if not close to impossible) to frog kick properly. Just personal experience... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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28th March 2007, 14:11	#30 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 996	Re: Fins for the extra drag of your rebreathers... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Bought a second-hand set of the $500-pair of Force Fins, found that the kicking motion has to be changed completely to use them - traded them off after 1 dive. Plus they are very difficult (if not close to impossible) to frog kick properly. Just personal experience... It's interesting that people say that, as it's not my experience. It's usually heard from people who've never even tried them, but I could have guaranteed that you've owned a pair ;-) This is one of those products that seems to get only one of two responses - love or hate. There's no in between. Agree that the kicking motion has to be changed, though not completely. The first couple of dives, it felt as if I had left my fins behind on the boat. After that, I just loved them. Frog kicking is my normal mode of propulsion with them, so that works fine for me. I suspect that one dive is not enough to make the transition, and that frog-kicking is a higher order skill than normal finning, so will take even longer. __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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