Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving?

Duncan Price · 9th March 2007, 15:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

So you want to miss out the whole beginner learning curve bit and go straight to the long, deep ones?

You might want to miss out the whole cave course entirely as this may slow you down even further.

I concur - obviously if you have unlimited gas reserves (to paraphrase Mark Chase) you can learn on the fly. I wouldn't bother with a line either.

To be serious though, I'd recommend Martin Robson any day - as a disclaimer I'd like to add that although he was present at my first CCR cave dive he was acting in a purely private capacity.

RAL · 9th March 2007, 15:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09)

A group of us did the CCR cave class a little over a year ago through IANTD. Tom Mount and Martin Robson taught the course (I see Martin looking at this thread...)

The class was a FULL week in North Florida. It's a "zero to hero" class, meaning you go from no cave cert to full cave in the class. I was the least qualified person in the class, all the others had both oc and CCR trimix. I had OC trimix but had only mod 1 of CCR at the time (although I did have about 100 hours on my meg).

I highly recommend both Tom and Martin. Tom is still recovering from his surgery, so you may want to contact Martin for details. Martin just taught another class in Marianna/Luraville a month ago to a few other friends...

Tim

What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave?
The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors.
End of rant, hunkering down for my beating.

RAL

lizardland · 9th March 2007, 15:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL)

What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave?
The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors.
End of rant, hunkering down for my beating.

RAL

I agree. Maybe it's time for a "resort" cave course. There's a good opening for PADI there.

Quote:

we will do that in the UK

There's a good opening for Duncan. I seem to remember the phrase "I wasn't worried, I had my body recovery strap" being used when I never turned up at the end of Pwll-Y-Cwm

**wedivebc** · 9th March 2007, 15:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by seafox)

IANTD:

1985-2006 "21 Years of Excellence"

Closed Circuit Rebreather Cave Diver

....

Can you provide a link to IANTDs S&Ps This is the second post I noticed you have made involving S&Ps and I can't find them on IANTDs web page anymore.

**wedivebc** · 9th March 2007, 15:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL)

What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave?
The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors.
End of rant, hunkering down for my beating.

RAL

Good point. For some reason there is no intro CCR cave. The feeling is that CCRs make it too tempting for a diver to venture beyond their training limits. I think this is silly as a CCR diver has to do the whole program to get into the caves on a rebreather with prior experience. I took my intro on OC

then had to do the whole course over right from cavern on CCR.
You might find this interesting http://http://www.rebreatherworld.co...-darkness.html

**trob09** · 9th March 2007, 16:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL)

What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave?
The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors.
End of rant, hunkering down for my beating.

RAL

I guess you'll have to ask Tom about that. When I asked, he told me that he prefers the 'all-in-one-shot' class and designed the CCR class with that in mind.

As for being a non-cave-loving-t-shirt-collector, that is an inaccurate description in my case. I can't speak for others. While it is true that I took the cave class to improve my wreck diving, I quickly found cave diving to be fascinating. I did buy 1 t-shirt though.

t

Addited: Besides, who says the all-in-one class doesn't present a rewarding journey?

Duncan Price · 9th March 2007, 16:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

There's a good opening for Duncan. I seem to remember the phrase "I wasn't worried, I had my body recovery strap" being used when I never turned up at the end of Pwll-Y-Cwm.

No joke - when I take trainees for their practical assessment, I often feign death and make them haul me out of the sump to the surface. Its not an easy job and a skill that I hope no-one needs for real.

johnv · 9th March 2007, 16:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Duncan Price)

To be serious though, I'd recommend Martin Robson any day - as a disclaimer I'd like to add that although he was present at my first CCR cave dive he was acting in a purely private capacity.

I should think so would he

seafox · 9th March 2007, 16:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

Can you provide a link to IANTDs S&Ps This is the second post I noticed you have made involving S&Ps and I can't find them on IANTDs web page anymore.

Don't think you can get the S & P's off the web.
They are from and in the instructor manual and subject to change.

Cornel

**wedivebc** · 9th March 2007, 16:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by seafox)

Don't think you can get the S & P's off the web.
They are from and in the instructor manual and subject to change.

Cornel

OK thanks. I recall they were posted at one time. I think every agency should make them public.

9th March 2007, 15:34	#21 (permalink)
Duncan Price Sump Monster Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wells, Somerset, UK Posts: 335	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) So you want to miss out the whole beginner learning curve bit and go straight to the long, deep ones? You might want to miss out the whole cave course entirely as this may slow you down even further. I concur - obviously if you have unlimited gas reserves (to paraphrase Mark Chase) you can learn on the fly. I wouldn't bother with a line either. To be serious though, I'd recommend Martin Robson any day - as a disclaimer I'd like to add that although he was present at my first CCR cave dive he was acting in a purely private capacity.
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9th March 2007, 15:35	#22 (permalink)
RAL Longbottom Time Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Florida Posts: 390	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09) A group of us did the CCR cave class a little over a year ago through IANTD. Tom Mount and Martin Robson taught the course (I see Martin looking at this thread...) The class was a FULL week in North Florida. It's a "zero to hero" class, meaning you go from no cave cert to full cave in the class. I was the least qualified person in the class, all the others had both oc and CCR trimix. I had OC trimix but had only mod 1 of CCR at the time (although I did have about 100 hours on my meg). I highly recommend both Tom and Martin. Tom is still recovering from his surgery, so you may want to contact Martin for details. Martin just taught another class in Marianna/Luraville a month ago to a few other friends... Tim What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave? The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors. End of rant, hunkering down for my beating. RAL __________________ The sea does not care about you.
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9th March 2007, 15:38	#23 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,302	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL) What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave? The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors. End of rant, hunkering down for my beating. RAL I agree. Maybe it's time for a "resort" cave course. There's a good opening for PADI there. Quote: we will do that in the UK There's a good opening for Duncan. I seem to remember the phrase "I wasn't worried, I had my body recovery strap" being used when I never turned up at the end of Pwll-Y-Cwm __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f**ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler Last edited by lizardland : 9th March 2007 at 15:42.*
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wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,444	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by seafox) IANTD: 1985-2006 "21 Years of Excellence" Copyright ©2006 by IAND, Inc. / IANTD All Rights Reserved 83 "The Leader in Diving Education" Closed Circuit Rebreather Cave Diver .... Can you provide a link to IANTDs S&Ps This is the second post I noticed you have made involving S&Ps and I can't find them on IANTDs web page anymore. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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9th March 2007, 15:51	#25 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,444	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL) What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave? The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors. End of rant, hunkering down for my beating. RAL Good point. For some reason there is no intro CCR cave. The feeling is that CCRs make it too tempting for a diver to venture beyond their training limits. I think this is silly as a CCR diver has to do the whole program to get into the caves on a rebreather with prior experience. I took my intro on OC then had to do the whole course over right from cavern on CCR. You might find this interesting http://http://www.rebreatherworld.co...-darkness.html __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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9th March 2007, 16:07	#26 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 699	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by RAL) What ever happined to take take cavern/intro, dive for a while at that level to gain experiance, then move on to app & full cave? The journey itself should be rewarding. Why be in a huge hurry? I have to wonder how many of the new cavers love the caves & how many are "T" shirt collectors. End of rant, hunkering down for my beating. RAL I guess you'll have to ask Tom about that. When I asked, he told me that he prefers the 'all-in-one-shot' class and designed the CCR class with that in mind. As for being a non-cave-loving-t-shirt-collector, that is an inaccurate description in my case. I can't speak for others. While it is true that I took the cave class to improve my wreck diving, I quickly found cave diving to be fascinating. I did buy 1 t-shirt though. t Addited: Besides, who says the all-in-one class doesn't present a rewarding journey? Last edited by trob09 : 9th March 2007 at 16:15.
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9th March 2007, 16:15	#27 (permalink)
Duncan Price Sump Monster Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wells, Somerset, UK Posts: 335	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) There's a good opening for Duncan. I seem to remember the phrase "I wasn't worried, I had my body recovery strap" being used when I never turned up at the end of Pwll-Y-Cwm. No joke - when I take trainees for their practical assessment, I often feign death and make them haul me out of the sump to the surface. Its not an easy job and a skill that I hope no-one needs for real.
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johnv Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Posts: 142	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by Duncan Price) To be serious though, I'd recommend Martin Robson any day - as a disclaimer I'd like to add that although he was present at my first CCR cave dive he was acting in a purely private capacity. I should think so would he
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seafox 02ptima Instructor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TORONTO, CANADA -Have "02ptima" will travel! Posts: 172	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) Can you provide a link to IANTDs S&Ps This is the second post I noticed you have made involving S&Ps and I can't find them on IANTDs web page anymore. Don't think you can get the S & P's off the web. They are from and in the instructor manual and subject to change. Cornel __________________ Protect the SHARKS! Excellence is never an accident; it is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, intelligent direction, skillful execution and the vision to see obstacles as opportunities. Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards!
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wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,444	Re: Prerequisites for CCR Cave diving? Quote: (Originally Posted by seafox) Don't think you can get the S & P's off the web. They are from and in the instructor manual and subject to change. Cornel OK thanks. I recall they were posted at one time. I think every agency should make them public. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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