submatix EC approval organisation

**jmurba** · 18th February 2007, 09:58

Hello,

as far as I know lingering on the net the submatix ccr kis style is EC approuved.
I am looking for the name and address of the organism that have given this rebreather the EC certification.
now that there is one I would lke to ask them if they are ready to give a certification to other kiss style Mccr.

regards

jean mi

Stephane · 18th February 2007, 10:06

Hello Jean-Mi,

Don't loose your time, Paul Raymaekers tried to contact them with no success.
Their address is on the PDF file attached.

divetheworld · 18th February 2007, 12:17

OK, some info for you.

The Declaration attached in the above post is for the Machinery Directive. current edition 98/37/EC.
The rebreather falls under the scope of the Personal Protective Equipment Directive 89/686/EEC which requires notified Body approval in law.

In summary the Declaration is as purposeful as toilet paper.

<edit> there was no second document to reference to in the original comment.

Stephane · 18th February 2007, 12:26

I have attached the second part of the document so you have it complete.

Silent · 18th February 2007, 12:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

OK, some info for you.
<snip>
In summary the Declaration is as purposeful as toilet paper.

Hi Brent,

Concise info as always, but disappointed in the clarity of your last comment....

Toilet paper is purposeful... but wouldn't like to use this declaration for that purpose otherwise might end up with a smudged CE mark somewhere I don't want to be inspected!

Neil

divetheworld · 18th February 2007, 12:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Silent)

Hi Brent,

Concise info as always, but disappointed in the clarity of your last comment....

Toilet paper is purposeful... but wouldn't like to use this declaration for that purpose otherwise might end up with a smudged CE mark somewhere I don't want to be inspected!

Neil

It would probably be easier to CE mark your sphincter... unless your Italian

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.)

I have attached the second part of the document so you have it complete.

Ahh, now there is the reference to the PPE Directive. The addition of the back page makes things very different.

Any chance someone can translate it word for word? I cant really determine much as is.

**jmurba** · 18th February 2007, 12:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

OK, some info for you.

The Declaration attached in the above post is for the Machinery Directive. current edition 98/37/EC.
The 89/392/EC is out of date and superceded as it was amalgamated with some amendments/comments. Ergo, it does not exist as stated.
Second, the rebreather falls under the scope of the Personal Protective Equipment Directive 89/686/EEC which requires notified Body approval in law.

In summary the Declaration is as purposeful as toilet paper.

Hi,
this is what I thought reading the declaration posted above,
how come can it happend ?
it is crazy !!
there is something queer in this story.....
it is perfectly unfair for the competition.

regards

jean mi

Stephane · 18th February 2007, 12:47

Quote:

Any chance someone can translate it word for word? I cant really determine much as is.

The document is written in 3 languages: italian, english and german.

**jmurba** · 18th February 2007, 13:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.)

Hello Jean-Mi,

Don't loose your time, Paul Raymaekers tried to contact them with no success.
Their address is on the PDF file attached.

It is a petty because if they have certified the submatix as a ccr kiss style rebreather they could not refuse to do it again for the competitors.

the rebreather ec norm says :

5.7.1 Inspired partial pressure of oxygen

The apparatus shall under all conditions of use specified by the manufacturer automatically maintain an
inspired partial pressure of oxygen greater than 0,20 bar. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall remain
within the limits specified by the manufacturer. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall also be
maintained at a partial pressure of less than or equal to 1,6 bar; except during the descent phase(s) of a dive
for a period not greater than 1 min where it may increase to a maximum of 2,0 bar.

if the submatix is really a ccr kiss style rebreather, and as a kiss can't maintain automaticaly any partial pressure, there is nothing automatic in a kiss....

if nevertheless the submatix obtained this certification ok no problem, but it is clea that it would be unfair that the competitors could not get the certification !!!

it s either everybody either no body !!!

regards

jean mi

Nad · 18th February 2007, 13:48

This is the same Gost-Office that released the Toiletp... (sorry) the certificate to the Voyager.

They DON'T have any piece of technology to test a rebreather.

They can just give the same cert as for a safety Jacket.

Try to search somewhere on Rebreather World, someone posted the CE cert. of the Voyager...

I did think Submatix guys were a bit more serious, not that the CE cert has a big importance but they advertise the rig as CE certificated!!

Well, finally it isn't that bad, one more machine to cancel from my list.

Paul, please, you made a really nice and "smart" rebreather, don't fall in the same WC.

Best,
Nad

18th February 2007, 09:58	#1 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 672	submatix EC approval organisation Hello, as far as I know lingering on the net the submatix ccr kis style is EC approuved. I am looking for the name and address of the organism that have given this rebreather the EC certification. now that there is one I would lke to ask them if they are ready to give a certification to other kiss style Mccr. regards jean mi __________________ when will I be able to think about something else then spending hours underwater, when will I be normal ? http://web.mac.com/jmurba/Site_2/home.html http://web.mac.com/jmurba/Site_3/home.html
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18th February 2007, 12:17	#3 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,537	Re: submatix EC approval organisation OK, some info for you. The Declaration attached in the above post is for the Machinery Directive. current edition 98/37/EC. The rebreather falls under the scope of the Personal Protective Equipment Directive 89/686/EEC which requires notified Body approval in law. In summary the Declaration is as purposeful as toilet paper. <edit> there was no second document to reference to in the original comment. __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 18th February 2007 at 13:33.
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18th February 2007, 12:26	#4 (permalink)
Stephane Hey! Ho! Let's go! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 725	Re: submatix EC approval organisation I have attached the second part of the document so you have it complete. __________________ Stéphane Hammer-rEvo powered!
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18th February 2007, 12:26	#5 (permalink)
Silent Staying Silent! Mostly... Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 382	Re: submatix EC approval organisation Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) OK, some info for you. <snip> In summary the Declaration is as purposeful as toilet paper. Hi Brent, Concise info as always, but disappointed in the clarity of your last comment.... Toilet paper is purposeful... but wouldn't like to use this declaration for that purpose otherwise might end up with a smudged CE mark somewhere I don't want to be inspected! Neil
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18th February 2007, 12:31	#6 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,537	Re: submatix EC approval organisation Quote: (Originally Posted by Silent) Hi Brent, Concise info as always, but disappointed in the clarity of your last comment.... Toilet paper is purposeful... but wouldn't like to use this declaration for that purpose otherwise might end up with a smudged CE mark somewhere I don't want to be inspected! Neil It would probably be easier to CE mark your sphincter... unless your Italian Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.) I have attached the second part of the document so you have it complete. Ahh, now there is the reference to the PPE Directive. The addition of the back page makes things very different. Any chance someone can translate it word for word? I cant really determine much as is. __________________ Self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 18th February 2007 at 13:33.
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18th February 2007, 12:41	#7 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 672	Re: submatix EC approval organisation Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) OK, some info for you. The Declaration attached in the above post is for the Machinery Directive. current edition 98/37/EC. The 89/392/EC is out of date and superceded as it was amalgamated with some amendments/comments. Ergo, it does not exist as stated. Second, the rebreather falls under the scope of the Personal Protective Equipment Directive 89/686/EEC which requires notified Body approval in law. In summary the Declaration is as purposeful as toilet paper. Hi, this is what I thought reading the declaration posted above, how come can it happend ? it is crazy !! there is something queer in this story..... it is perfectly unfair for the competition. regards jean mi __________________ when will I be able to think about something else then spending hours underwater, when will I be normal ? http://web.mac.com/jmurba/Site_2/home.html http://web.mac.com/jmurba/Site_3/home.html
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18th February 2007, 12:47	#8 (permalink)
Stephane Hey! Ho! Let's go! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 725	Re: submatix EC approval organisation Quote: Any chance someone can translate it word for word? I cant really determine much as is. The document is written in 3 languages: italian, english and german. __________________ Stéphane Hammer-rEvo powered!
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18th February 2007, 13:03	#9 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 672	Re: submatix EC approuval organism Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.) Hello Jean-Mi, Don't loose your time, Paul Raymaekers tried to contact them with no success. Their address is on the PDF file attached. It is a petty because if they have certified the submatix as a ccr kiss style rebreather they could not refuse to do it again for the competitors. the rebreather ec norm says : 5.7.1 Inspired partial pressure of oxygen The apparatus shall under all conditions of use specified by the manufacturer automatically maintain an inspired partial pressure of oxygen greater than 0,20 bar. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall remain within the limits specified by the manufacturer. The inspired partial pressure of oxygen shall also be maintained at a partial pressure of less than or equal to 1,6 bar; except during the descent phase(s) of a dive for a period not greater than 1 min where it may increase to a maximum of 2,0 bar. if the submatix is really a ccr kiss style rebreather, and as a kiss can't maintain automaticaly any partial pressure, there is nothing automatic in a kiss.... if nevertheless the submatix obtained this certification ok no problem, but it is clea that it would be unfair that the competitors could not get the certification !!! it s either everybody either no body !!! regards jean mi __________________ when will I be able to think about something else then spending hours underwater, when will I be normal ? http://web.mac.com/jmurba/Site_2/home.html http://web.mac.com/jmurba/Site_3/home.html
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18th February 2007, 13:48	#10 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 941	Re: submatix EC approval organisation This is the same Gost-Office that released the Toiletp... (sorry) the certificate to the Voyager. They DON'T have any piece of technology to test a rebreather. They can just give the same cert as for a safety Jacket. Try to search somewhere on Rebreather World, someone posted the CE cert. of the Voyager... I did think Submatix guys were a bit more serious, not that the CE cert has a big importance but they advertise the rig as CE certificated!! Well, finally it isn't that bad, one more machine to cancel from my list. Paul, please, you made a really nice and "smart" rebreather, don't fall in the same WC. Best, Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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